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Thu Mar 2, 2017, 09:25 PM

Tom Udall/Gary Peters ticket will help Democrats get over 270 ev winning all of the States Clinton

carried in 2016 by a double digit margin 183v plus all of the Southwestern states (AZ,CO,NV,and NM) 214ev and
VA-13 (227ev)
MN-10 (237ev)
MI-16 (253ev)
PA-20 (273ev)
WI-10 (283ev)
Udall and Peters US Senate seats are up for re-election in 2020. They can choose to not seek re-election to focus all of their attention on unseating Trump. Democrats have plenty of top tier candidates to choose from to win the NM US Senate seat
Hector Balderas or Ben Lujan and the MI US Senate Seat Jennifer Granholm or Mark Schauer . If Udall and Peters decide to run for re-election and the Presidency, Democrats are going to occupy the MI and NM governorship.

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Reply Tom Udall/Gary Peters ticket will help Democrats get over 270 ev winning all of the States Clinton (Original post)
nkpolitics1212 Mar 2017 OP
Gabi Hayes Mar 2017 #1
Kingofalldems Mar 2017 #13
Gabi Hayes Mar 2017 #14
Kingofalldems Mar 2017 #16
Gabi Hayes Mar 2017 #18
Gabi Hayes Mar 2017 #19
apcalc Mar 2017 #2
RoadhogRidesAgain Mar 2017 #3
WhiteTara Mar 2017 #4
RoadhogRidesAgain Mar 2017 #5
delisen Mar 2017 #7
RoadhogRidesAgain Mar 2017 #9
crazycatlady Mar 2017 #11
delisen Mar 2017 #12
Gabi Hayes Mar 2017 #15
crazycatlady Mar 2017 #17
Gabi Hayes Mar 2017 #21
Doreen Mar 2017 #41
Gabi Hayes Mar 2017 #45
littlemissmartypants Mar 2017 #43
RoadhogRidesAgain Mar 2017 #20
butdiduvote Mar 2017 #26
elleng Mar 2017 #28
apcalc Mar 2017 #34
RoadhogRidesAgain Mar 2017 #37
apcalc Mar 2017 #39
delisen Mar 2017 #6
GulfCoast66 Mar 2017 #23
RoadhogRidesAgain Mar 2017 #29
GulfCoast66 Mar 2017 #40
RoadhogRidesAgain Mar 2017 #42
apcalc Mar 2017 #35
RoadhogRidesAgain Mar 2017 #38
PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2017 #8
nkpolitics1212 Mar 2017 #10
PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2017 #22
nkpolitics1212 Mar 2017 #24
butdiduvote Mar 2017 #25
apcalc Mar 2017 #31
Dream Girl Mar 2017 #33
Hekate Mar 2017 #27
littlemissmartypants Mar 2017 #44
Dream Girl Mar 2017 #30
BannonsLiver Mar 2017 #32
LovingA2andMI Mar 2017 #36

Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 09:28 PM

1. gary peters! my favorite chisox of all time!

 

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Response to Gabi Hayes (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 10:37 PM

13. On the same team with Tommy John as I recall.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #13)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 10:39 PM

14. and like me....lefties, of course!

 

my baseball career ended after sophomore year in HS

I stopped growing....everybody else caught up

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Response to Gabi Hayes (Reply #14)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 10:42 PM

16. Lefty here too.

I remember Tommy John as a rookie BTW, pitched against my Senators.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #16)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 10:44 PM

18. who's the only person in history to have a surgery AND

 

an underwear company named after himself?

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Response to Gabi Hayes (Reply #18)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 10:45 PM

19. do we have a trivia forum?

 

we should

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 09:31 PM

2. Two. White. Men.

Ho-Effin-Hum.

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Response to apcalc (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 09:36 PM

3. That's actually very racist of you.

 

I assume many people that are naturally inclined to join the Democratic Party were turned off because of this kind of mentality in this election.

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Response to RoadhogRidesAgain (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 09:42 PM

4. Sounds like white male talk here.

White male privilege and power is tiring to say the least.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 09:53 PM

5. No.

 

You're right about the male part, not the white part.

It's disgusting how some people think it's acceptable to openly say they wouldn't vote for someone just on the basis of their skin or gender. This is the party that strives for a post racial society and equal rights among all and that mentality is cancerous and and pointless source of division. Discrimination isn't cool no matter who it's directed at.

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Response to RoadhogRidesAgain (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 09:57 PM

7. the reality is we have had 45 presidents all the same gender; looks like the fix has

been in since the 1700's. Many of us are no longer interested in the same old, same old-and with good reason.

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Response to delisen (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 10:04 PM

9. So you would vote Sarah palin over Someone like al franken?

 

Last edited Fri Mar 3, 2017, 12:22 AM - Edit history (1)

Because that's essentially what your trying to say.

A candidate merely being a woman is no guarantee that they would be preferable.

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Response to RoadhogRidesAgain (Reply #9)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 10:25 PM

11. no but this country voted for a reality tv star over a qualified woman

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Response to crazycatlady (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 10:36 PM

12. A woman who stood up to the Russian dictator thus earning the wrath of oil billionaires


Too many in our own party dismissed her as a "corporatist." She acted, they babbled.

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Response to crazycatlady (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 10:41 PM

15. you can get arthritis that way:

 

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Response to Gabi Hayes (Reply #15)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 10:44 PM

17. are you accusing me of being a troll?

I was simply pointing out a fact about the sexism in this country. Tell me how that makes me a troll.

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Response to crazycatlady (Reply #17)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 10:48 PM

21. emphatically NO!

 

siding with your side, all the way home

I love the cats all the way home, too

had one for thirteen years....taught himself to use the toilet

sigh....no pets since then

now I'm BUMMED!

RIP, Elliott



just about him, right above

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Response to Gabi Hayes (Reply #21)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 01:14 AM

41. Your cat looks just like my Tsuki girl.

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Response to Doreen (Reply #41)

Sat Mar 4, 2017, 12:03 AM

45. not mine....he looked close to that, but bigger, a little more color

 

combination alley cat/maine coon

nose dripping with nostalgia

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Response to Gabi Hayes (Reply #21)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 01:36 AM

43. My very first pet, Diamonds looked just like yours.

She was hit by a car, at the mailbox. I found her when I went to check the mail. I was devastated. I can still see her beautiful eyes. I was nine years old. Precious memories of her being my pal returned by your picture.

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Response to crazycatlady (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 10:48 PM

20. Not really.

 

He won the electoral college, he lost by over 3 million votes. By the way, he won the majority of white female voters.

The last thing I want to see is people on our side bashing candidates in 2020 who happen to have great policy proposals get bashed simply for their race or gender. Likewise I don't want to see mediocre uninspired candidates elevated simply because their race and gender. The single most important mission in 2020 is defeating Donald Trump, and any source of unneeded division among us must be eradicated right now because if we don't get our act together and focus on what's truly important, then our side won't be successful.

I will vote for any candidate, regardless of their gender or race, I proudly voted for Obama in 08 and Hillary in 16. All I ask is that the best person is chosen, instead of filling some sort of identity quota.

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Response to delisen (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 12:04 AM

26. I agree.

Look, every time another white male president is elected, we have to wait a minimum of four more years for another group to get a shot at having that level of representation. It matters. Representation matters.

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Response to RoadhogRidesAgain (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 12:06 AM

28. Exactly.

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Response to RoadhogRidesAgain (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 12:25 AM

34. No not racist...

Just that there's nothing there to excite me. Same old same old.

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Response to apcalc (Reply #34)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 12:36 AM

37. Ridiculous

 

Actually it's the very definition of racism to raise rejection against candidates because of their race. This is the sort of thing that turns off voters from joining the party and it's amazing that I'm seeing people here openly voicing these sorts of sentiments.

How about by 2020, you focus on a candidates overall record and policy proposals before deciding if they excite you or not?




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Response to RoadhogRidesAgain (Reply #37)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 12:57 AM

39. I'm white, so drop the racism charge. As for policy positions, as long as they are democrats

They are probably on board with policy positions I can support. I'm just not excited about that Ticket.
Ho hum.
A woman can be found to run with the same policy positions.
I want something for girls, for women.

Don't worry, I'll vote for the ticket, I always vote.

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Response to apcalc (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 09:54 PM

6. 45 men and look at the shape the country is in.

over 1000 Democratic Party seats lost in the last decade, voter suppression, busted voting machines, Russia deciding our presidents but all we need to do is pick a 2020 dream team?



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Response to apcalc (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 11:56 PM

23. Holy Cow!

Two. White. Men.

Rejecting good candidates based on their race and gender. Not what I expect to see on a progressive site.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #23)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 12:14 AM

29. It's sad isn't it?

 

If we don't get these people in line, they could cost us the election in 2020 by dividing our party and turning off potential voters. These people are part of the problem. This isn't how you win over voters!

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Response to RoadhogRidesAgain (Reply #29)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 01:11 AM

40. Nice try

Not looking to get anyone in line, except perhaps myself.

I vote for candidates based upon their positions.

I reject choosing candidates based upon their race or gender. Which is exactly what the post I responded to was doing. Dismissing potential candidates based on their race or gender.

If two white guys make our best ticket, then I will support it.

But their race or gender will have nothing to do with it.



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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #40)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 01:17 AM

42. That's literally exactly what I said.

 

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #23)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 12:30 AM

35. Rejecting them? No

Just nothing the least bit inspiring there...
That said , I'll vote for them....

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Response to apcalc (Reply #35)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 12:40 AM

38. Nobody knows who it will be

 

Nobody knows who's going to run in 2020, but it's important to keep and open mind and not preemptively vilify people or decide they aren't exciting because of what they look like before we even hear any policy proposals. If these sentiment aren't dealt with now it can become a major source of division in the primaries. And it will cost us.

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 09:58 PM

8. Tom Udall is a nice guy.

He's one of my Senators. I've met him several times and he always remembers who I am, which impresses me. But he's my age, which means he'll be over 70 in 2020.

Plus, quite frankly, I think he's entirely too mild-mannered for either the running or the job.

Let's not put a lot of energy into worrying about who the nominee will be nearly four years down the road. Let's concentrate on dealing with what's happening right now, and then winning back the House and Senate in 2018. That should come very much ahead of anything else.

As for Democrats in NM having plenty of top tier candidates to run for Senate in 2020, I can't imagine who you are thinking of. Hardly anyone is jockeying to run for Governor in this state in 2018. If Udall doesn't run for the Senate in 2020, the only Dems I can think of who might go for it do not inspire me in the least.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 10:21 PM

10. NM-1Cd US Rep Michelle Lujan Grisham is running for NM Governor in 2018.

Regarding Udall's age, Udall will be 72 on January 2021. Assuming he serves 2 terms, he will be 80.
Regarding the US House and US Senate Races in 2018.
Democrats need to make sure all of the red states Democratic US Senators (Donnelly-IN,McCaskill-MO,Tester-MT,Heitkamp-ND,and Manchin-WV) get re-elected and Democrats need to protect purple state Democratic US Senators who are facing a top tier GOP challenger (Nelson-FL,Stabenow-MI,Brown-OH,Casey-PA,and Baldwin-WI) get re-elected. Plus we have to unseat Flake-AZ, Heller-NV and the 51st seat could be either in TX-Cruz or AL-Strange/Sessions old seat.

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 11:47 PM

22. I didn't realize anyone had actually declared

for the NM Governor in 2018. Tom Udall publicly decided not to seek that office. Grisham would be giving up her seat in Congress, and I don't know NM District 1 well enough to know if another Democrat would successfully win that seat. But she would probably make a good Governor.

I know the current Mayor of Santa Fe, Javier Gonzales is considering it. While I think he's a pretty decent Mayor, he's been somewhat divisive, and not sure if, were he to win the election, he'd be a good and effective Governor.

And Tom Udall, nice man as he is, is too old to run for President. Again, I'm his age, and even though he looks a good ten years younger than he is, I still don't want to see another old person in that office.

We don't need yet another Boomer in the Oval Office. It is beyond time for the younger generation to take over.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #22)

Thu Mar 2, 2017, 11:58 PM

24. What about Heinrich running in 2020?

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 12:01 AM

25. I'm sorry, I can't get excited about ANY all-male tickets after what happened in November.

Tired of women not having any representation. I'll vote, but I already know I won't be a big 2020 cheerleader.

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Response to butdiduvote (Reply #25)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 12:17 AM

31. Exactly my point.

No excitement .
And to be underrepresented yet again...

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Response to butdiduvote (Reply #25)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 12:18 AM

33. No likes to post about elections in the distant future...

 

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 12:05 AM

27. Take a breath and focus on NEXT YEAR, and then 2020 will take care of itself

The earlier Party favorites for POTUS appear, the longer people have to pick them apart and essentially do oppo research the GOP can use.

Just sayin'

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Response to Hekate (Reply #27)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 01:38 AM

44. This year, too! eom

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 12:17 AM

30. I knew it was you when I read the op why are you so fixated on 2020 and beyond?

 

Very odd. Are you in Layla land or what?

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 12:17 AM

32. Two whit men. Pass.

Full disclosure: Posted by a white man.

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Response to nkpolitics1212 (Original post)

Fri Mar 3, 2017, 12:35 AM

36. We're Keeping Gary Peters....

Right HERE in Michigan. Thanks!

Who are Hector Balderas or Ben Lujan? Live in Michigan, don't know them in the slightest.

Jennifer Granholm would LOSE a Senate race in Michigan and we have PLENTY of others that could take the seat if Peters ran for PRESIDENT --- Not V.P., President. As that would be the only way Michiganders would be willing to let Gary go.

Mark Schauer has lost how many times now -- 3 (Governor Race - Once, Congressional Race - Twice) = No Thanks!

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