Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

butdiduvote

(284 posts)
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 03:22 AM Mar 2017

What is the strategy behind drip drip dripping info instead of dropping it all at once?

I keep seeing people say the IC or the "Obama people" are strategically leaking info little by little as part of some strategic plan to take him down, but what I don't get is why put the country through this hell if the incriminating info is there now? The only thing I can think of is there isn't really anything damning enough to warrant impeachment, so they're just trying to make his life miserable, bring down his favorables, and keep him as distracted from governing as possible.

49 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
What is the strategy behind drip drip dripping info instead of dropping it all at once? (Original Post) butdiduvote Mar 2017 OP
It's like watering a plant. dchill Mar 2017 #1
Exactly rufus dog Mar 2017 #5
Good analogy, dchill. :) And it almost certainly would. Hortensis Mar 2017 #18
Look how quickly people forget revelations from just a week ago Dem2 Mar 2017 #41
You take down people one at a time so they turn on each other to avoid prosecution meadowlander Mar 2017 #2
Makes sense butdiduvote Mar 2017 #7
The droped the Steele dossier day one buddy, remember? Exultant Democracy Mar 2017 #3
Yea, but with at least one important distinction..... nolabels Mar 2017 #35
Building the outrage. davsand Mar 2017 #4
Is easier to shoot down a single target than many targets. Lint Head Mar 2017 #6
Reminds me of a cat playing with a mouse. Canoe52 Mar 2017 #8
The Deep State wants their country back. truebluegreen Mar 2017 #26
pressure→panic→plea - nocalflea Mar 2017 #9
Reality? Maru Kitteh Mar 2017 #10
lol JI7 Mar 2017 #11
Keeps it in the headlines and on TV underpants Mar 2017 #12
Obama's genius : thbobby Mar 2017 #13
One Reason True Blue American Mar 2017 #14
well it used to be a way to make people with critical thinking skills pay attention Skittles Mar 2017 #15
Crazy idea: What if there simply is no big bad conspiracy to take down Trump??? DetlefK Mar 2017 #16
This Cosmocat Mar 2017 #17
This is pretty much where I am about all this. Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #19
Yesterday's NYT-- lanlady Mar 2017 #25
Yup. Interesting times ... n/t Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #28
Wow, you mean sometimes the simplest explanation is the true one? FSogol Mar 2017 #21
There seems to be a pattern to it lanlady Mar 2017 #20
I think the IC is telling the American people a story Mr. Ected Mar 2017 #22
Yup. truebluegreen Mar 2017 #27
I disagree with a new cold war "to justify their existence" Stinky The Clown Mar 2017 #34
The IC has a long history of dealing with problems truebluegreen Mar 2017 #36
Thanks for saying this, because it's true. For all the times in my life I've recoiled at reports... Hekate Mar 2017 #43
Nothing is black and white and nothing is pure. Stinky The Clown Mar 2017 #45
Again, agree. I long ago gave up black and white thinking. Hekate Mar 2017 #49
Because life is just like a tv drama where everything gets neatly wrapped up at the end of the hour. FSogol Mar 2017 #23
Why 19% of the oil company? greymattermom Mar 2017 #24
This is what smart detectives do Zoonart Mar 2017 #29
Or TNR--trap, neuter, and release. I wonder--did they notch Flynn's ear before letting him go? nt tblue37 Mar 2017 #30
LOLOL Zoonart Mar 2017 #33
This! nt chowder66 Mar 2017 #42
Your OP presumes that one person or agency has all the pieces of the KingCharlemagne Mar 2017 #31
Excellent point...nt Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #47
keep it in the news daily DrDan Mar 2017 #32
A drip provokes a statement, the statement contains a lie, the next drip reveals that lie hatrack Mar 2017 #37
A better question is: why doesn't the Administration come clean instead of trying to "plug leaks"? MatthewStLouis Mar 2017 #38
Part of it is to give journalists a chance to get up to speed after years of being lapdogs, KittyWampus Mar 2017 #39
Lap Dogs is right! True Blue American Mar 2017 #40
Ever hear of Chinese Water Torture? Hekate Mar 2017 #44
No...they will bring him down...probably Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #46
First of all, all the facts have to be lined up to drop it all at once. haele Mar 2017 #48
 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
5. Exactly
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 03:28 AM
Mar 2017

Let them lie, release a bit more, expose the lie, at some point even 20% of Republicans will wake up.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. Good analogy, dchill. :) And it almost certainly would.
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 07:31 AM
Mar 2017

Far too much information to even begin to take in. When confused, most people don't sit down and dig in to make sense of it, they turn away and want to just move on, soothing their egos with facile claims that all governments are corrupt, nothing anyone can do about it.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
41. Look how quickly people forget revelations from just a week ago
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 01:14 PM
Mar 2017

Leak, link, remind - it's a process and it takes time.

meadowlander

(4,425 posts)
2. You take down people one at a time so they turn on each other to avoid prosecution
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 03:27 AM
Mar 2017

and they turn up leads you didn't know about before.

You also get people to deny small things on the record, prove they are liars, destroy their credibility and then nail them for the big things.

If you went in all at once with everything, some things would slip through the cracks or the story would be so unbelievable people would accept the denials rather than try to get their heads around it.

butdiduvote

(284 posts)
7. Makes sense
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 03:30 AM
Mar 2017

I guess I didn't think too much about how they would have to get people to admit to things and how there must be pieces they still don't have that they have to strategically get out of those involved.

Exultant Democracy

(6,594 posts)
3. The droped the Steele dossier day one buddy, remember?
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 03:27 AM
Mar 2017

That should have been enough to get a special prosecutor, but the republicans hold every part of government and have no shame. Most of the stuff you call dripping out is just confirmation of specific parts of the Steele dossier which is already out there in a manner where each item gets a news cycle.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
35. Yea, but with at least one important distinction.....
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 10:03 AM
Mar 2017

This way there are least a hundred million or more sets of eyeballs noticing things, putting things together and pointing them out. There are still way more clues that are sure to be found. Science already has the formula for this kind of problem that works and has been working quite well for the last half or more of this century. Observed unexplained phenomena, correlation, interrelation, association with a related synopsis. Then you come up with hypothesis, gathering clues and evidence, theory, testing and a little more testing, a trial and lastly the fact (or conviction)

Hell, this is almost as fun as anthropology

davsand

(13,421 posts)
4. Building the outrage.
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 03:28 AM
Mar 2017

Release it all at one time and it will exceed the people's ability to grasp it all. Baby steps, in other words. It takes time to get it all integrated in the peoples' mind. It takes time to get to critical mass when it is a national thing.



Laura

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
6. Is easier to shoot down a single target than many targets.
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 03:28 AM
Mar 2017

I just think the wheels of justice are turning slowly and allegations have to be verified. Bullet proof evidence is always best.

nocalflea

(1,387 posts)
9. pressure→panic→plea -
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 05:14 AM
Mar 2017

Scared panicky people make stupid mistakes.The smart ones see the writing on the wall and save themselves. (reduce their sentences).

underpants

(183,585 posts)
12. Keeps it in the headlines and on TV
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 05:46 AM
Mar 2017

Just keep in front of people's eyes, even if it doesn't come to fruition you have painted the target in a certain way.

thbobby

(1,474 posts)
13. Obama's genius :
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 06:14 AM
Mar 2017

Face it guys, despite how crooked this election was, we are stuck with GOP in power for at least 2 years. Take down Trump, Pence. Take down Pence, Ryan. Etc.
By playing this out and slowly dismantling the entire GOP mafia, perhaps we can stop nuclear war, save the disabled and sick. In short, save what democracy we have left.

True Blue American

(18,014 posts)
14. One Reason
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 06:22 AM
Mar 2017

Is because the cover up gets them every time.

Notice,each day another name shows up meeting with Russians. Now we find the Ambassador is known to US Officials as a top,Russian spy.

Almost every one of Trumps," Friends," have met with him.Junior made a speech, Jared met with the Russians.

You can bet Putin is not happy about this drip,drip,drip either.

Each day it gets worse.

Skittles

(153,892 posts)
15. well it used to be a way to make people with critical thinking skills pay attention
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 06:27 AM
Mar 2017

while real evidence was being collected......but idiotic Trump ass kissers really don't know how to connect the dots so the tactic does not work with them

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
16. Crazy idea: What if there simply is no big bad conspiracy to take down Trump???
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 06:30 AM
Mar 2017

What if the info is coming out drip-drip-drip because it gets discovered drip-drip-drip?

Denzil_DC

(7,361 posts)
19. This is pretty much where I am about all this.
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 08:21 AM
Mar 2017

Though it may not be so much that it's being discovered crip-drip-drip as that its true significance is being revealed drip-drip-drip as the various pieces and players fall into place (some of this info's been out there for months).

I don't know that there's a grand strategy (or certainly a grand strategist in the shape of Obama or whoever) behind it, but as others upthread have observed, it's the lying denials that later get debunked that are most damning every time.

A few months ago, it may have been plausible that a legislature dominated by the triumphalist Republicans at every level - and with Trump cronies in key posts - could bury it all and successfully stall any investigations (it's still going to be an uphill task). But what may have looked like safe, plausible deniability earlier is now looking more and more like very risky blatant collusion, and the net of Republican pols it's ensnaring is widening every day. Let's hope they start to turn on each other as things heat up.

lanlady

(7,143 posts)
25. Yesterday's NYT--
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 08:59 AM
Mar 2017

Used the word collusion as well.

It's breath-taking when you step back and think about it. We are talking about Trump campaign insiders colluding not just with Russian diplomats but with known Russian intelligence officials a type of offense for which anyone with even the lowest level security clearance would be sent off to share a jail cell with Aldrich Ames.

Where this all goes from here is anyone's guess. It may all get buried and forgotten, it may blow up and bring down the entire Trump White House. But this is precisely why our Government has counterintelligence capabilities - to protect this country against spies, traitors, and "colluders." If the Trump people get away with such blatant behavior, then, the CI people will have failed at what may be the worst CI crisis since the Soviets stole the secrets to making the atomic bomb.

lanlady

(7,143 posts)
20. There seems to be a pattern to it
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 08:46 AM
Mar 2017

Aimed at certain individuals at just the right time. Flynn, for instance - he was widely disliked and mistrusted by the IC (intelligence community), and he was "taken down" by it after just one month on the job, in a pretty masterful fashion I have to say. Then Sessions, refusing to do the right thing an recuse himself, becomes the subject of an IC leak and voila - he has now recused himself.

The leak of the Steele dossier at the start of the Trump administration is starting to look like an epic and deliberate scene-setter, a way to signal to journalists and would-be investigators that "we in the IC believe this information to be true, but we can't reveal our sources, so it's your job to independently verify this information and go for the golden ring" - er in this case the golden shower



Mr. Ected

(9,678 posts)
22. I think the IC is telling the American people a story
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 08:53 AM
Mar 2017

A story of deception, graft and corruption, of treachery, espionage and treason.

Sentence by sentence. Paragraph by paragraph. Chapter by chapter.

We'll all be drawn in eventually.

This is the story of the Betrayal of Democracy.

Film at 11.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
27. Yup.
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 09:08 AM
Mar 2017

As I said above, the Deep State wants their country back. And a new Cold War with Putin to justify their existence.

Stinky The Clown

(67,924 posts)
34. I disagree with a new cold war "to justify their existence"
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 09:52 AM
Mar 2017

This whole episode is the very definition of the justification for their existence. This is why we have an IC. This is what they do.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
36. The IC has a long history of dealing with problems
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 10:15 AM
Mar 2017
they caused in the first place. That is what they do.

That said, Putin is an asshat of the first order. Do we really want to solve that problem and consign him to the dustbin of history? Get off the oil addiction train. That would do it.

Hekate

(91,626 posts)
43. Thanks for saying this, because it's true. For all the times in my life I've recoiled at reports...
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 03:06 PM
Mar 2017

...of CIA involvement in e.g. South America and wondered why we don't just clean them out, this is the moment when they actually justify their existence and do their bit to actually save democracy in this country.

Stinky The Clown

(67,924 posts)
45. Nothing is black and white and nothing is pure.
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 03:23 PM
Mar 2017

To be sure, there have been bad episodes - indeed, VERY bad episodes - but fundamentally these are the people who do what needs to be done.

I am not in any way an insider and what I am about to say is anecdotal, but I know a few spooks. The notion I get is that there are not many extremist ideologues as they really don't fit well into the organizations. I also get a feeling that if anything the lean is slightly left. Again, all just anecdotal.

greymattermom

(5,756 posts)
24. Why 19% of the oil company?
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 08:57 AM
Mar 2017

Maybe 5% for Trump and 1% for 14 other people? So how many other people are there by now? Maybe not 14 yet.

Zoonart

(12,035 posts)
29. This is what smart detectives do
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 09:22 AM
Mar 2017

in intricate cases involving several suspects. They bring the suspect in, question, tag them, and release them. Catch and release. Then they follow who they run to, confide in, lash out at, and who talks to them.

That is why the FBI released a statement that they would not prosecute Flynn for perjury. They wanted to create a false sense of security around Flynn that would encourage open contact by other suspects. They were doing catch and release.
They are tapping all of these guys.

tblue37

(65,765 posts)
30. Or TNR--trap, neuter, and release. I wonder--did they notch Flynn's ear before letting him go? nt
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 09:27 AM
Mar 2017
 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
31. Your OP presumes that one person or agency has all the pieces of the
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 09:28 AM
Mar 2017

puzzle. In which case, you might as well ask, "Why do we need investigative journalists?" since the evidence is all there and there is nothing to investigate.

The reality is that one person or agency may hold crucial piece of the puzzle without recognizing its significance and it requires journalists to stitch together the various facts into a coherent narrative. At least until a Special Prosecutor is named who has the power to issue indictments subpoena witnesses and records and fashion another compelling narrative before the courts and the judgment of history.

MatthewStLouis

(905 posts)
38. A better question is: why doesn't the Administration come clean instead of trying to "plug leaks"?
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 11:58 AM
Mar 2017

Republicans are straining to keep things from blowing up. They know something is there. If they were so innocent, why are they so scared of transparency? Why not fess up to talking with Russians? Why doesn't Trump just release his tax returns?

Hmmm.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
39. Part of it is to give journalists a chance to get up to speed after years of being lapdogs,
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 12:19 PM
Mar 2017

part of it is to allow the public time to absorb information and I think part of it is to play mind games with Republicans.

True Blue American

(18,014 posts)
40. Lap Dogs is right!
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 01:11 PM
Mar 2017

Last edited Sat Mar 4, 2017, 05:51 AM - Edit history (1)

If the Media had not sucked up to the Reality Star,allowing him to phone into every station while berating Hillary every day we would not be here.

Comey has now been proven that he covered up,even from the gang of 8. They are very angry that he held back information from them.

Hekate

(91,626 posts)
44. Ever hear of Chinese Water Torture?
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 03:12 PM
Mar 2017

Much, much more subtle than waterboarding. Look it up if you don't know what it is.

Also, there's some very good answers in this thread. Thanks for asking the question.

Demsrule86

(69,096 posts)
46. No...they will bring him down...probably
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 03:29 PM
Mar 2017

being careful with intelligence sources...the orange nightmare is done.

haele

(12,761 posts)
48. First of all, all the facts have to be lined up to drop it all at once.
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 04:29 PM
Mar 2017

Second, the "drip, drip, drip" keeps the GOP/Drumpf people on the defensive until the facts can be presented in context.

GOP/Drumpf/Know-nothing Nationalists constantly on the defensive, whining about "evil Liberals" pisses off their constituency and begins to create doubt in those that aren't totally brain dead.
In fact, keeping the GOP on the defensive may difuse the disappointment of the Trumpeteers when the &quot R) after their name stands for RePutin" group ends up having to face real inquiry.
It also confuses and concerns the &quot R) after the name stands for "Randiot" fellow travelers who are pushing for drowning the government in a bathtub, so the worst of the damage they can do is mitigated while everyone with an (R) tries to figure out how much time there is on the ride they bought the ticket for, and whether or not they might face an independent investigator and/or grand jury.

Haele

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»What is the strategy behi...