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Calculating

(2,955 posts)
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 12:25 PM Mar 2017

Pretty sure Trump needs a war to salvage things at this point

No other way he'll get Americans to unite behind his presidency. The only question is whether it will be NK or some Middle Eastern country. He needs to get that "Go America, let's get those bastards" spirit going again.

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Pretty sure Trump needs a war to salvage things at this point (Original Post) Calculating Mar 2017 OP
N. Korea has my vote. louis-t Mar 2017 #1
Beautiful 45 insult! PsychoBabble Mar 2017 #2
You can have this discussion - seems some here have not lived through asiliveandbreathe Mar 2017 #3
75% of Americans backed the Iraq invasion SHRED Mar 2017 #4
Not in the beginning, the numbers were opposite.. it wasn't until soon before going in that the uponit7771 Mar 2017 #5
Reallly banging the War Drums today aren't they! Wellstone ruled Mar 2017 #6
It will be difficult for the Trump Administration to pull that off PJMcK Mar 2017 #7
Trump needed a war tweet this morning to distract from his BIG FAT LIES and L. Coyote Mar 2017 #8
His head looks huge Mendocino Mar 2017 #11
God help us. smirkymonkey Mar 2017 #9
I think he will run a demo to scare the crap out of North Korea. NCjack Mar 2017 #10
People won't unite...a few Trump humpers will but Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #12
the few rump humpers bdamomma Mar 2017 #14
My fear is he would use nukes Tillerson is crazy. Demsrule86 Mar 2017 #20
Bannon strategy Instigate MedusaX Mar 2017 #13
Listen, there is nothing to it: Send a couple of cruise missiles at NK. rgbecker Mar 2017 #15
Americans will NOT unite behind Trump in a war of his making. dalton99a Mar 2017 #16
They did with Bush Calculating Mar 2017 #17
We don't have a 9/11 fresh in the background, and Trump is a proven liar. dalton99a Mar 2017 #18
All it takes is the right terror attack Calculating Mar 2017 #19

louis-t

(23,292 posts)
1. N. Korea has my vote.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 12:27 PM
Mar 2017

The rhetoric is escalating. Except dumpy can't focus on anything for more than a few minutes at a time. He could declare war on New Jersey just as easily.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
3. You can have this discussion - seems some here have not lived through
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 12:36 PM
Mar 2017

the horrors of war, up close and personal - this is a subject IMHO that we should tread lightly with - if some think that a "gung ho" might salvage this administration of our govt. have at that thinking..we are waiting - you think we have resistance now???

No one should be waving the ol' red, white and blue for war...

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
4. 75% of Americans backed the Iraq invasion
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 12:38 PM
Mar 2017

So yes, Americans are easily led.
Brainwashed by war fever.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
5. Not in the beginning, the numbers were opposite.. it wasn't until soon before going in that the
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 12:41 PM
Mar 2017

... numbers flipped.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
6. Reallly banging the War Drums today aren't they!
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 12:43 PM
Mar 2017

Is Tillerson going to secure the Known Oil Deposits and take them for the Donnie?You becha Baby.

PJMcK

(22,035 posts)
7. It will be difficult for the Trump Administration to pull that off
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 12:57 PM
Mar 2017

One of the main reasons that the George W. Bush Administration was able to pull off their fake wars was because they still had credibility. Consider that when Secretary of State Colin Powell testified before the United Nations, he represented clarity and truth; his veracity was never questioned until later. And Donald Rumsfeld was almost a matinee idol given his performances at his press briefings.

Donald Trump does not have that benefit of the doubt because so much of what he's said has already been proven false. In spite of their mendacity and general evilness, the Bush team wasn't ignorant and stupid; they deeply understood how the government works. The clowns in power now can't even find the light switches in the White House.

Obviously, the Bush team blew it and after Hurricane Katrina they never regained the public's trust. Mr. Trump has never had the broader public's trust. It's hard to see how he could rally the country around a military action particularly since he has no military experience and he's questioned the quality and commitment of our armed services. My rhetorical question for the conspiracy-minded among us is this: At this point in our history and circumstances, would the military, CIA or whomever actually create a false flag operation that would draw the country into a war?

I wonder what the military commanders think of this president. It's understandable if that ill-defined group of senior officers would question the military judgment of, say, President Clinton who never served. But they would never have questioned his intellectual judgment. This president is crazy and the officers must see that.

Would the Joint Chiefs allow the US to be drawn into a very dangerous war knowing that it was concocted for domestic political purposes? I'm not suggesting an insurrection, rather that they would use all of their bureaucratic abilities to keep the president from taking any such actions.

We live in frightening times.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
8. Trump needed a war tweet this morning to distract from his BIG FAT LIES and
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 01:00 PM
Mar 2017

how he was humbled having to apologize to the great nation of Britain.

The minute he tries to start a real war is the minute his Presidency ends.




Mendocino

(7,488 posts)
11. His head looks huge
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 01:34 PM
Mar 2017

that tweet photo, even bigger than usual. A fat-butt Ken doll with a Mr Potatohead.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
9. God help us.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 01:03 PM
Mar 2017

I'm not even a believer, but I really think nothing short of a miracle can save us from this madman and his administration now.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
10. I think he will run a demo to scare the crap out of North Korea.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 01:25 PM
Mar 2017

Some nation that can't fight back. I hope #45 knows that Hawaii and Puerto Rico are not foreign countries.

bdamomma

(63,845 posts)
14. the few rump humpers
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 01:48 PM
Mar 2017

do not see no wrong with him, but effing North Korea???

hey if he wants to commit an illegal act, leave us out of it please. He doesn't know the consequences of anything. This isn't a fucking game. He has no diplomacy at all.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
20. My fear is he would use nukes Tillerson is crazy.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 06:32 PM
Mar 2017

If he does, he needs to be removed from office and sent to the Hague for prosecution of Crimes Against Humanity...and murder.

MedusaX

(1,129 posts)
13. Bannon strategy Instigate
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 01:44 PM
Mar 2017

Bannon knows the only unquestionably credible war will be one started by someone other than 45....

Bannon will convince 45/ crew to engage in acts which Bannon knows will eventually be responded to by military action .....

Example:
45 berates NK "bad behavior" via Twitter

T-Rexxon follows up with range of potential punishments for NK if this "bad behavior" does not stop immediately

News article reports that THAAD defensive system will be completely in place (to protect S Korea / Japan) by summer 2017......
Basically, telling NK it has a 60+/- day window of "maximum potential success" for anything they wish to launch.


So 2 very public jabs in quick succession
followed by the timely introduction of info intended to make NK feel a sense of urgency to react ....

Equals Bannon's recipe for a war w/ credibility

rgbecker

(4,831 posts)
15. Listen, there is nothing to it: Send a couple of cruise missiles at NK.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 01:55 PM
Mar 2017

What general is going to talk him out of that? NK's response, maybe against Soul, SK, would be all it took to get things going.

Doesn't even have to be nuclear.

I can see the headlines now, as Trump gets everyone stirred up, just like W. Bush and Iraq.

Clinton got away with his cruise attack on the aspirin factory because the middle east is slightly sane, at least compared to NK. And Clinton wasn't looking for an escalation. You can be sure Trump would like nothing more than a full fledged war. He's out of the action because bone spurs, so he doesn't give a fuck.

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
17. They did with Bush
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 02:09 PM
Mar 2017

Iraq was about as manufactured as a war can get. Afghanistan was easy to go for after 9-11, but Iraq was far more calculated by the puppet masters. In the end it worked perfect for them. Made a bunch of money for the MIC, temporarily united the nation and destabilized the ME leaving the door open for future military involvement.

dalton99a

(81,475 posts)
18. We don't have a 9/11 fresh in the background, and Trump is a proven liar.
Fri Mar 17, 2017, 02:20 PM
Mar 2017

I can't foresee Democrats voting for war - and giving Trump more power - this time

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