Help me become a troll.

[LAS14]

I want to post simple comments in alt right forums like the following:

Obamacare is the same as The Affordable Care Act.

Social Security is funded by our federal tax dollars.

Medicare is funded by our federal tax dollars.

Medicaid is funded by our federal tax dollars.

I'd like your help in the following ways.

- Suggest alt right forums. Or, better yet, forums where people who are not hard core Trump voters might go.

- Suggest web sites I could reference right beneath my message. I'm looking for "just the facts" web sites. I don't want to push a liberal agenda because I want to maximize the possibility that some people might read them.

- What have I overlooked?

- Never mind telling me it won't do any good. If it causes 1 or 2 people to think, then they might talk, and those people might talk.... Anyway, I'm going to do it.

[beachbum bob]

1. waste of time....people who hang out in those forums could care less

your effort would be better served in helping retake congress in 2018 and working with local democratic organizations with fund raising and registering voters..

[sharedvalues]

5. Nope. Karl Rove: attack your opponents' strength

[LAS14]

14. One way to retake the house is to make inroads into the soft Trump support.

That's the WHOLE PURPOSE (sort of yelling.... being emphatic) of doing this!!!!

[Squinch]

21. You'll get a lot of pushback and reasons why this is a waste of your time. Ignore them.

Everyone who scratches away at the monolith of their ignorance is helping.

I'll be watching this thread. I think it's a really good idea.

[LAS14]

27. Thanks! I'm glad to know there are folks here who agree. nt

[democratisphere]

2. You might want to reconsider your venture to the dark side.

Insanity has known to be contagious.

[MADem]

3. You're asking the wrong crew what sites are "good."

I'd say go to one of the better known wingnut ones with a message/reply board and ask there--simply ask where are the best sites to get the "real" news (LOL) not the FAKE news that the "lamestream media" puts out.

You'll probably get some helpful replies and you can go from there.

Good luck. I've found it's difficult to fix stupid, but kudos for trying.

[LuvLoogie]

4. Your first comment should be Obamacare IS the Affordable Care Act.

Or Barack Obama signed the ACA into law. That's why the GOP called it Obamacare. Because they hate him and think you do, too.

Here is what Barack Obama's Healthcare law actually does, and what the GOP is trying to take away...

Then add link.

[LAS14]

15. Yeah, of course. That's what I meant, but thanks...

... for pointing out the possible misinterpretation. I will edit my OP and use your version in my troll messages.

[sharedvalues]

6. Twitter bot

Like this one
http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/7/13202794/arguetron-twitter-bot-alt-right-internet-bigots-4chan-sarah-nyberg

[LAS14]

16. Neat!!! So glad to see this sort of activity is going on. nt

[JHB]

7. Comments sections of local newspaper and TV channels...

...preferably local to you, since it helps if you can drop in local examples of whatever you're talking about.

Those aren't alt-right, but they are places where the obnoxiousness of conservative axe-grinders tended to chase off liberal commenters long ago. They may be ripe for a low-key return.

[LAS14]

17. Such a good idea, but it highlights the frustration of living...

... in the only state where no county voted for Trump.

[brush]

23. Speaking of comments sections, has anyone else noticed that HuffPo discontinued theirs?

[brooklynite]

8. Posting these does not make you a troll...

...trolling requires posting something that gets attention and leaves a sting.

Consider the following Tweet that I posted:

Link to tweet

Consistent with facts, but targeted and insulting.

[AgadorSparticus]

9. Discussionist. They have plenty of what you are looking for.

[mitch96]

10. You are not going to change their mind

I hang out on a few of "those" websites.. aka keep your friends close and your enemy's closer"

Some vile shit over there, even the "moderated" ones.. Any whiff of a new person not carrying the party line will be ostracized and then banned by the site owner.. Usually only a few posts and you are gone. Any attemp to log on with a new user name is stopped by your tell tale ip address and your dumped again..
Like others have said, work local to get your candidate voted in and stop what these assholes are doing..
Just my opinion. YMMV
m

[NurseJackie]

11. I don't think you need any help...

... from the looks of things, you've got all the angles covered. You haven't overlooked anything and I'm sure you'll do a bang-up job, if being a troll is what you really want to do.

But, why do this? Of course, your time is yours to do with as you see fit... and I suppose there's some entertainment value. But if the goal is to "make a difference", this seems to be an ineffective way. Aren't there more productive things that you could be doing instead? It seems like with the same (or less) effort you'd be able to reach-out and educate MORE people who are more receptive to your message.

Have fun storming the castle.

[OhZone]

12. I love trolling with the truth. nt

[dembotoz]

13. Facebook doesn't give​ u enough opportunity?

[LAS14]

18. I've only got about 30 friends.

[dembotoz]

24. do you get suggested posts? comment on some of those

[McCamy Taylor]

19. I will take your question at face value. As a fiction writer, here is how you achieve your goal.

Think of your audience. What do they want? What do they believe? They do not believe in facts or expert opinions. They believe what they feel. And the way to get them to feel is to put a human face on the story. Because the left brain is all about reason and logic and it can run illogical circles around facts. But the right brain--the facial recognition brain---goes straight to the emotions, and face it---the Make America White Again crowd is in the mess they are in right now because they vote with their right brains, not their left brains.

If you want to get through to Trump's base, you need to be willing to pretend to be someone you are not. Except you have to know in your heart that you are not pretending, because we are all in this together, meaning your neighbor's pain is your pain. So, feel the pain of the person you want to appear to be online. Saturate yourself in it. Then, give that person (who may not feel empowered to speak) a voice. You are not lying. You are telling a bigger truth.

That's how you reach 1 or 2 folks. Aim straight for the heart.

[mitch96]

20. Aim straight for the heart.

What if they have no heart??? The one's I've met only care about them and theirs.. not anyone else.. It's the us against them mentality..
"I'm right, your wrong and I'm willing to do what is "necessary" if you don't do what I say"..
just like how most wars start..
m

[Thor_MN]

22. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid are funded by their own taxes.

They are federal taxes, but most people think income taxes when one says federal taxes. And the GOP loves people to think Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid are linked to income taxes.

[LAS14]

29. See response #28. What harm does it do to say...

... (correctly) that they are funded by federal taxes even if people should mistakenly think its from the IRS?

Two of you have pointed this out. But I'm not sure how/if I should change what I say. Suggestions?

[Thor_MN]

33. Because the right wants to conflate the issues.

The right wants to kill Social Security and Medicaid/Medicare. The right often links them to the deficit, when they have nothing to do with the federal spending that is tied to the deficit. They want to play defense spending against the social programs when they are funded by completely separate systems. Adding fuel to the right's (incorrect) argument that income taxes are high because of Social Security and Medicaid/Medicare spending is as you put it, harm.

When you are trying to counter an argument, don't settle for the opponent's framing of the issue.

[LAS14]

35. Very helpful. How about....

... Social Security comes from the federal government, but does not contribute to the deficit.

And Medicare and Medicaid, likewise. I'm wanting to target those people who LIKE these social programs but think they can simultaneously dis government social programs.

[catsudon]

25. don't do it, but if you really want to

it will not really help, if you are caught and have your ip blocked right off the bat , so i suggests reading their forum first and find some common ground (is there even?) and lurk for a few months or so.

i'd start with cats or dogs, everyone loves either cats or dogs right?

freerepublic.com <- they all want ryan care to fail, so that's a common ground there.

[pangaia]

26. Except SS and Medicare are not really funded by 'our tax dollars,"

as many people think of tax dollars.
They are funded by a separate Tax-- F I C A--

"Federal Insurance Contributions Act (FICA) tax ... is a United States federal payroll (or employment) tax imposed on both employees and employers to fund Social Security and Medicare—federal programs that provide benefits for retirees, disabled people, and children of deceased workers."

[LAS14]

28. I thought about this. But, of course, they are our federal tax dollars.

Might as well attack that bit of ignorance as well.

[FakeNoose]

30. The Yahoo comments sections are a conservative echo-chamber

I used to be on there for years but last year it got taken over by rude abusive Russian troll-bots. (nasty conservatives that are all robo-posting)

All the nice people left it a year ago. The robo-posting bots put up compliments for Trump, and hateful insults about the "libtards." If you go there you'll get tired of it very quickly. I'm sure they're Russian because Yahoo was hacked by the Russians even before Trump ran for the Presidency.

Another place I used to post regularly, and don't any more, is the comments section on Rolling Stone magazine, especially in the Politics section. Again you'll see that all the liberals have been chased away by the nasty abusive Russian troll-bots that post garbage on there 24-7.

The same thing is happening on our local newspaper, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. The conservative troll-bots have tried to take over here too, but enough people are complaining that they might get kicked out. (I hope)

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that robo-posting troll-bots are invading every publication that has a free comments section.

Good luck

[LAS14]

31. Maybe the right wing has withdrawn along with the left and it's just bots talking to bots!

[Iggo]

32. Being a troll is all about pissing people off for your own entertainment.

It ain't for everyone.

[LAS14]

34. Is there a different name for someone who is just venturing...

... into alien spaces to truth tell??

[riverwalker]

36. If you are on Twitter

Just search hashtag #MAGA (make America great again) or sometimes #tcot (top conservatives on Twitter) They have their own little parallel universe bubble, and recycle each other's crap.

[LAS14]

37. Excellent!

[LAS14]

40. I did tweet several truths to #maga, then I went and looked. It's...

...clear I'm not the only one with the idea of invading alien spaces!!!

[LAS14]

38. I'm still needing suggestions for websites I can include links to...

... that explain the facts in the most non-ideological way possible. Ideas?

[OldEurope]

39. Go twitter.

Start a shitstorm:
@#TheRealDonaldTrump: STOP LYING!
as an answer to every single tweet he is spitting. Get your friends retweeting.

[calimary]

41. How 'bout "They Don't Want to Help You"?

Explained here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8813937