Peter Daou: I have diligently avoided saying the 2016 election was stolen

[L. Coyote]

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[infidelsavant]

1. Convenient for him to say something about it now.

When it probably doesn't matter.

[spooky3]

6. How could Daou have said anything earlier, when today was the first time that Comey

confirmed that Trump was under investigation?

Or did you mean it was convenient for Comey?

[StevieM]

54. I think he was talking about Comey. (eom)

[Cha]

8. "Convenient"? Now is exactly the Time to say it when the

Investigation has come to this.

Peter Daou is an intelligent man who wants proof before making such accusations.. not like the idiot in the WH.

[Honeycombe8]

51. +1. nt

[StevieM]

53. I could be wrong but I think he was talking about James Comey, not Peter Daou. (eom)

[Cha]

57. Could be but the OP was about

Peter Daou and the poster hasn't corrected yet.

If it's comey.. he is most correct.

[calimary]

13. Welcome to DU, infidelsavant!

Some people find it harder to stick their necks out. I happen to agree with the opinion. I too think this election was stolen. Glad somebody's finally coming around to say that. But maybe he felt a case had not been made til a day like this came along. When you're on it early, you're the first to take the verbal jabs and blows. You're the first to be lambasted as shrill or hilarious. You're the first to be targeted for smears and slanders.

Then again, there are some like Chris Matthews who is loathe - utterly LOATHE to use the word "lie" or the word "liar." Hates it. Said so on his show in the first segment just a few days ago. Didn't want to stick his neck out, even though lies are spewing from trump's mouth almost at the rate of every minute on the minute. Even though it's STUPID-obvious. Even though there's such a long and unimpeachable track record, well-documented in multitudes of written words and video clips. Can't do it, he says. Just shrivels at the thought, still.

I know. It makes no sense. None to me anyway. What would you call it, if you can't call it a lie? Especially spoken by the Lord of the Lies.

[niyad]

40. welcome to du

[StevieM]

55. Welcome to DU!! (eom)

[CurtEastPoint]

2. Required reading for all Americans. Wake the F up!

[Dawson Leery]

3. George H.W. Bush was the last Republican that

could claim a legitimate mandate to govern.

Bush the Lesser had no mandate, Trump has no mandate.
The USSC/Russia handed the election to the wrong side.

[Alice11111]

4. We knew it was stolen immediately.

This just gives confirmation. The press has already put it together. It is unreal that Comey exposed Hill and cost her the election, but hypocritically kept this under wraps. He cost us our country, our status in the world, and the damage will be there for generations.

Comey for jail!

[Gabi Hayes]

5. + this

1 followed by this many zeroes:

[ailsagirl]

14. It's true

Every damn indicator pointed to HRC's winning. I am livid that we were royally cheated of the democratic process on which our country was founded and which we deserve. Really, the fury goes beyond words.

[Gabi Hayes]

15. exit polling is supposedly VERY accurate, and the same thing

happened to Kerry

don't understand why the word doesn't get out about that, and the dems are afraid to pursue it now

can you IMAGINE what would be happening right now if Hillary had rightly been sitting at 1600 as we speak?

pugs would be in afterburner mode trying to reverse the election results....JUST as Rove thought when he thought he'd had it stolen with Obama. remember his blow out on Fox?

even megyn kelly couldn't take that BS and called him on it

[ailsagirl]

17. That's right-- it happened with Kerry

and, dammit, they got away with it again!! (1st time with Gore, of course)

I never-in-a-million-years could have imagined something as vile and shocking as this actually happening.

It's the stuff of nightmares. Or The Twilight Zone.

[Hayabusa]

34. Here's the thing.

We all "knew" that Dubya stole two elections, but at least he kept it all in house. Trump an the Repugs sold their soul to a foreign power to get it done this time. It makes Dubya look halfway legit in hindsight...

[ailsagirl]

49. Good point, though W's "admin" was pretty scary too

But not on a GLOBAL scale, which makes a huge difference

[bigbrother05]

43. Gore was shafted the old fashioned way with Jeb, et al playing dirty

Kerry was screwed in Ohio in a less obvious way, a few machines here - some purged rolls there.

Starting to look like Trump outsourced the dirty work to Putin and they added 3 states to the other 2 they had on speed dial. Have to believe the Russian hackers could reach into the voting systems without any fingerprints and calculate just how many they needed to win. As Stalin always said "It's not who votes that counts, but who counts the votes."

[L. Coyote]

45. And the states with contested Senate races had greater exit polling error, same as 2004.

[Alice11111]

26. I remember. We are too nice to them sometimes...give in or give up too easily.

We need to be nice and caring with each other, but fight like hell against them. We have to fight them harder than they fight us, because they cheat.

[Gabi Hayes]

16. THIS is what I'm talking about:

from twelve ffffing years ago......

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1290765

[ailsagirl]

18. Yep-- and nothing came of it

[L. Coyote]

47. Except, twice as bad in 2016, with same Senate races contested in same states:

[erronis]

52. Thanks, el coyote - can you share any links to those charts?

I like what you've done/copied and would like to understand the statistics behind.

[L. Coyote]

56. Yes, here:

http://www.jqjacobs.net/politics/xls/2016_election.xls

They are on dKos if you want to use them, search by uploader "jqjacobs"

[erronis]

63. Purrrrrfect. Thanks!

[Alice11111]

59. Thx 4 posting. V interesting

[Alice11111]

24. Impressive...love the 0s for jail!

[uponit7771]

32. +1

[Duppers]

33. Exactly!

Well said, Alice.

[ffr]

44. Class action lawsuit. 66 million of us can sign on. Harry Reid was right!

Sorry, but no hoodwinked or red voters, even if they're democrats.

Comey killed our democracy with his violation of the Hatch Act, as did republicans who LEAKED his letter to the press on October 28th.



Harry Reid: FBI Chief Comey Covered Up Russian Hacking, Should Resign - Dec 10th, 2016

[Alice11111]

62. Can you set it up? Are you a class action attorney.

There is governmental immunity to work around, Federal Tort Claims Act. The question will be was this a discretionary act. If so, we are probably SOL.

[L. Coyote]

61. I expected it in advance given the polling showed they were behind.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

7. They played the game a million times better than we did. We couldn't even

come up with a valid explanation/defense for having a server system that was good enough for an ex-president in a house that was physically protected by the Secret Service that had never been hacked. If we don't get out of yesterday's mindset and leap into the now - where you have to be media savvy and do everything to grasp a second of interest in the intense, overbombarded media world of today - we are doomed. Taking away meals on wheels? School lunches? And no ad drumming that in? DNC, anyone with money? inexcusable.

[murielm99]

12. Explanations were given over and over

throughout all the hearings into Hillary's server and emails. It just wasn't good enough for the media, and for a lot of anti HRC people on this very website.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

35. Yes, except then there was a conscious decision

to not justify/explain and to just say, it was a mistake. Not trying to relitigate here - just an observation. The difference between what happened with the server and what is happening today - light years apart. And, although Trump has gone light years beyond believability, there is something to be said about being confident and outraged and fighting back.

[Alice11111]

27. Yes, I've wondered that many times.

We should have spots all over tv educating the public about trumpcare, MOW. Everthing that is happening.
Instead, we have this repub farmer looking guy delivering our response to the State of the Union.
We are the smartest when we get in, but damn it's hard, and we let them get away w cheating.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

36. Agree. And, we have all those celebrities with our

side who have access to the most creative minds. Your last line is so true - we are best when we get in !

[Alice11111]

38. They haven't a clue what to do, but tear down and obstruct

So, now they are tearing down Obama care, when over the last several years, they have preached that, without having a replacement! Now, they have thrown together this last minute POS. It's complicated, DT genius says. Tearing down MOW. Tearing down NPR.
More and more.

[FiveGoodMen]

58. Don't have a clue?? That IS their whole purpose

They are not trying to make life better for the average American.

They are trying to take all the money and all the power and leave the rest of us starving and begging for scraps.

They are not failing at all. They are successfully pursuing their altogether evil goals.

It's their opponents -- if, indeed, they really have any opponents -- who don't have a clue.

[Alice11111]

60. True, butEven the Repeal &Replace, they didn't have a bill

Hastily thrown together POS, even after their having years to come up w something.

[calimary]

11. Welcome to DU, dogandturtlemom.

I read a lot of his stuff during the campaign. We may most cordially have to agree to disagree.

[R B Garr]

21. He most certainly did not mislead about Bernie

One of the main reasons Trump stole Bernie's attacks on Hillary was because they were unchallenged and worked to the Republicans favor. Sorry, but there is nothing to respect about a man attacking a woman like that knowing your target can't answer you back in kind or risk alienating his supporters. Everybody went easy on Bernie.*

*Hi, this is about the current investigations about Russia's motives and methods to meddle in our election per the current investigations.

[stevenleser]

28. Your response to a major issue today is to refight the primary that is long over?

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Your response to an issue that indicates the Presidency was stolen is to argue with a pundit that you think he gave unfair coverage to your chosen primary candidate over a year ago?

[AllaN01Bear]

10. thanks . al gore and hillary clinton, the once and true president of the united states of amarica.

[Kimchijeon]

19. Well glad that more people are speaking up

It's getting to be harder to stay in denial! Which is a good thing.

[BadGimp]

20. oh well they said, give the guy a chance they said..

[triron]

22. I also ask why Obama didn't force this out. He could have.

What in the world was he thinking???

[L. Coyote]

25. Obama was complying to the law.

Comey wasn't.

[Alice11111]

29. Yeah, and make a recess SCOTUS appt.

[cilla4progress]

23. This is why I'm so sad

Not only was the election stolen but our country was stolen from us

[Alice11111]

30. Yes, its not like we lost to Jeb! That would bs a loss. This is a destruction of our county.

[cilla4progress]

31. Yep

Agreed

Pretty pissed that all of us look like dumbasses because of this clown.

[Alice11111]

37. I think about 40pc of this country is pissed off and depressed.

[bullwinkle428]

39. Still between rock and hard place re: Comey - if he goes, Orange Menace

will just install Rudy or someone else equally deplorable. So we're stuck.

[angrychair]

41. I don't completely agree

Once they started down that trail regarding Clinton to then come out with something about republican45 would have been met with everything from suspicion to complete condemnation and it could have dramatically impacted the integrity of an investigation into actual criminal actions as opposed to the bullshit witch hunt against Clinton.

Plus, to be honest, the impact to republicans from this will be dramatic and far reaching. Far more impactful than if it had come to light before the election.

By revealing the investigation on republican45 before Election Day, it may have got Clinton elected but it would have done little to no damage to the Republican Party.

Republican45 getting elected has caused a lot of republicans to hitch their wagons to him and if republican45 and other senior administration officials get impeached and/or arrested, that will do long term, "death kneel" level damage to the Party brand and its most controversial and troubling party members will left out in the cold, likely forever, because of it.

[oldcynic]

42. BFD...we do the same thing over and over and over

How far back do you want to go? Washington? Lincoln? Genghis Khan? How about Nixon...he was a well-known crook and got elected anyway. Since then, it's been solid wingnut control of the country...with the exception of a few Demos kneecapped by vicious Republican attacks. All political systems have their drawbacks. Democracy's problem is that it requires constant attention, examination, and participation by all the people, all the time. Humans are not capable of that. We operate as we always have done...might makes right. We still want to be ruled by that silver back...whatever title you give him. The question is and always was: how do we overcome genetic programming?

[L. Coyote]

48. Money rules, not only picking candidates (in both parties) but controlling culture.

We need a cultural revolution, an awakening of consciousness, a moment of enlightenment from which we cannot turn back.

[ffr]

46. This thread's message is bringing me to tears.

America, catch on. It's a simple as this. We're better than what this GOP scandal affair.

[Honeycombe8]

50. True. Grrrrrr. nt