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Sat Mar 25, 2017, 02:37 PM

Why Do the Koch Brothers Hate Ryan and Trump?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/22/politics/kochs-reserve-fund-health-care/

With just a few days to go until the (politically) crucial vote to eliminate the Affordable Care Act and replace it with Affordable Care Lite, the Koch Brothers muddied the waters by offering millions in campaign support to any GOP legislator who voted “no.” How many voted “no” for the money? We will never know. What we do know is that the attack on Trump-care was a direct attack on both Trump and House Speaker Ryan---who is now facing pressure from his own party to step down from his position as House Speaker and as third in line to be president…

Is this what it’s all about? VP Pence is the Koch Brother’s man. Bought and sold. The Koch Brothers would like nothing better than to oust the unpredictable, likely-to-go-rogue Trump and replace him with their own (bought and sold) president.



But, despite his See No Evil/Hear No Evil game, Pence may not be as out of the loop on Russia/Trump as he claims to be. He may go down with Trump. In which case Speaker Ryan gets to be president. Does Speaker Ryan want to be president? Uh..yeah. At least according to this campaign button from 2016.



As House Speaker, any attempt to force Trump out via impeachment or (more likely) threat of impeachment will go through him. Everyone except Trump—and that includes most of the GOP and the Koch Brothers and maybe even Melania—wants Trump out of Washington. But, as Speaker, Ryan has the power to include Pence in the eviction from the White House order. And, if he does it, he gets to be president!
The Koch Brothers do not want Paul Ryan to be president. The Koch Brothers want Mike Pence to be president. That means they want the House Speaker to be someone who will stand up for Pence’s right to be the Koch Brand President.

Will Paul Ryan get the message? Or, will the Koch Brothers have to replace him with someone with less ambition? This, my friends is the real reason the Koch Brothers sabotaged the Affordable Care Act repeal.

The Republican Party---shooting itself in the foot (and sometimes the face) for over a century!


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Reply Why Do the Koch Brothers Hate Ryan and Trump? (Original post)
McCamy Taylor Mar 2017 OP
JHB Mar 2017 #1
McCamy Taylor Mar 2017 #2
JHB Mar 2017 #5
KT2000 Mar 2017 #3
Lucky Luciano Mar 2017 #4
Wellstone ruled Mar 2017 #6

Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)

Sat Mar 25, 2017, 02:46 PM

1. The Kochs are in the camp that wanted repeal, period...

...not some half-assed replacement. They don't think government should have a hand in this. Or anything, really, that limits the ability of people running companies to do whatever they want.

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Response to JHB (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 25, 2017, 02:52 PM

2. The Kochs signed up for free ACA money as soon as it was law.

https://thinkprogress.org/koch-brothers-received-millions-in-obamacare-subsidies-e99d53adbbd#.m51eguys6

They just do not want anyone else getting any taxpayer funded welfare. They think they own our government and all its money the way their dad thought he owned all Russia's oil. The Koch's get rich feeding at the public trough. They are leeches. Parasites. Vampires. They have no idealism, not even right wing idealism. They have only blind greed and fear that makes them crave power.

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Reply #2)

Sat Mar 25, 2017, 03:07 PM

5. Yes, it's always a fool's errand to say they want less government...

...they want one that works for them. They're fine with government that socializes their expenses but privatizes their profits.

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)

Sat Mar 25, 2017, 02:54 PM

3. Battle of the Billionaires

Our government is now United States of Mercers vs Kochs
Thanks to Citizens United, this country is in the hands of the biggest donors who can now call the shots. They do not speak publicly, just with their money, so we are unable to see what they are buying until the votes come in - or they don't.

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Response to KT2000 (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 25, 2017, 03:00 PM

4. Exactly. I was going to say that...

...the Koch's didn't like being out-Koched by the Mercer's and want their power back. The Mercer's are much smarter than the Koch's from an intellectual/data driven standpoint, but the Koch's have been playing this game longer.

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Response to Lucky Luciano (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 25, 2017, 03:26 PM

6. Koch Industries employ over

a 100k people. If you noticed some of the statements coming from the wholly owned Congress people. They wanted zero Health Care for anyone. Remember,Health Insurance really came into the Business scene in 1947 and was a hiring tool . Like ACA,after a period of time,it became a past practice Rule or Law.

Fred Koch and his friends at the John Birch Society,which is pretty much the Freedom Caucus today,wailed against workers or anyone being supplied benefits.

Worked Union Organizing Campaigns at Koch Industries Companies. When you read their anti Union propaganda they hand to their employees,you wonder why anyone would want to work for a slave master.

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