Gorsuch founded the club: "Fascism Forever"

[CousinIT]

LINK: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4182852/Trump-s-SCOTUS-pick-founded-club-called-Fascism-Forever.html



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[Dr Hobbitstein]

1. False according to Snopes.

Daily Mail is akin to National Enquirer. Not what one would call a "reliable source".

http://www.snopes.com/neil-gorsuchs-fascism-forever-club/

[Blues Heron]

6. It's true. He put it on his yearbook page.

Whatever it was he chose to put it there on his yearbook page. Reagan Youth all the way. Total elitist wanker.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

8. But it's not a real club.

I used to walk around with signs that said "Fetus: The Other White Meat" when I was in college to piss off pro-lifers. Sounds like he was doing the same to piss off liberals like you and I.

There are plenty of reasons to oppose him, let's not dwell on things that are made up.

[Blues Heron]

9. It's not made up. He put it on there.

It's how he self identifies - as a fascist.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

10. He made it up.

It's not real. Once again, legit reasons to oppose him. Jokes from high school are not.

Snopes says you're wrong. Snopes > random internet poster

[Blues Heron]

12. You seem very concerned with defending him

wonder why

[Dr Hobbitstein]

15. Gorsuch is a piece of shit, and I am not defending him.

I am defending facts and reason.

Criticizing him for a joke in high school is not productive.

Criticize him for siding with employers over employees.
Criticize him for his stances on contraception coverage.
Criticize him for his environmental stances.

Those are all legit reasons to oppose him (which is why I oppose him).

But using something that fact-checkers call false to oppose him is counter-productive
to our cause. I live in a fact-based reality. There was no "Facism Forever Club", it was
a joke.

[Blues Heron]

16. Well judging by how he turned out

He wasn't joking. He was quite serious in this and other writings about where his sympathies lay. I don't think we should dismiss this. It is revealing about how deep his fascist sympathies really go. This proves he was thinking along those lines at an early age, and never outgrew it.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

17. I wouldn't call Gorsuch a fascist.

He's a right-winger, for sure. Not a fascist. Words have meaning. Calling everyone on the right you oppose a fascist is also counter productive.

The fact checkers are not on your side on this one. Let's stick to legitimate issues that have factual basis. Let them (the right) use false narratives, we should stick to facts. YMMV.

[Blues Heron]

19. Well he put it in, and that's a fact

You can keep justifying it all you want. He is a self described fascist from an early age and that's a fact.

[LanternWaste]

24. What specifically leads you to deny any fascism on his part?

"He's a right-winger, for sure. Not a fascist..."

Other than a "false narrative", and on "sticking to facts alone", what specifically leads you to deny any fascism on his part?

[Eliot Rosewater]

29. I might disagree, but I appreciate your point of not using false reasons when we have

enough legitimate ones.

an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

Above is the definition, I think every action this man has made screams fascist.

[uponit7771]

23. The fact that he made it up is bad enough !!! WTF !? That's not a good defense

[DBoon]

18. "Fetus: the other white meat"

Would also get you disqualified from consideration for the supreme court.


Are you a fan of musician JG Thirwell, by chance?

[Dr Hobbitstein]

30. Have not heard of him, no. nt

[DBoon]

36. Had a band called "Foetus"

One album was titled "Scraping foetus off the wheel"

[JHan]

27. yo..

"Fetus: The Other White Meat" .........

[demmiblue]

2. Snopes:

http://www.snopes.com/neil-gorsuchs-fascism-forever-club/

[FiveGoodMen]

4. Well...

The Daily Mail‘s report appeared to have been based on nothing more than a few references to a ‘Fascism Forever Club’ that appeared among several other obviously humorous entries in Gorsuch’s senior yearbook from Georgetown Preparatory School:

...

The article included no quotes from Gorsuch, or from any classmates, teachers, faculty, or representatives of Georgetown Preparatory School, verifying that such a club actually existed — nor did the article include any indication that its writer had even attempted to contact any of those parties, or undertaken any effort at all to confirm that the ‘Fascism Forever Club’ yearbook references were anything more than a high school in-joke.

Snopes says it wasn't a club. Just something people associated with him such that it wound up in his yearbook multiple times.

Still quite an indication of his attitude.

[DBoon]

21. If a liberal court nominee .

.. had a joking reference in their high school yearbook to a Chairman Mao Appreciation Society, that nominee would be slaughtered in the right wing media and would never get a hearing.

Even if it was a joke, and no such club existed

[FiveGoodMen]

32. Agreed.

And there were apparently multiple references.

So, it was not just someone's idea of a joke.

It was his reputation.

[Blues Heron]

7. He put it on his yearbook page. If the cap fits, let him wear it.

[mindem]

3. That's why the republicans adore him,

he fits right in with their long range plans.

[ret5hd]

5. False? Debunked? Well, even if it was a club of one...

even if it was not a club recognized by the school, it was obviously a title he relished.

[Blues Heron]

13. Exactly!

There's nothing in this man's writings, thoughts, actions that indicates he was joking in the slightest degree. Total fascist forever.

[uponit7771]

25. RIGHT !!! Somehow "the deplorable club wasn't real" is a defense of his deplorable attitude !!

[ExciteBike66]

11. Not this again...

A friend of mine (a Syrian immigrant, no less!) put in his yearbook quote that he was a terrorist and was going to blow up the school. It being the late 1990's, he was investigated by the FBI but not water-boarded.

In the end, we all knew he was not a terrorist, it was just an in joke among his friends.

The fact that Trump chose Gorsuch is enough for me to oppose him. I do not need fake controversies like his Fascism jokes from high school of college...

[Blues Heron]

14. What makes you think he was joking?

There's nothing in this man's writings, thoughts, actions that indicates he was joking in the slightest degree. Total fascist forever then, and now

[ExciteBike66]

31. What makes me think he was joking...

was the fact that he wrote it in his yearbook blurb. Have you ever read one of those?

If there had actually been a "Fascism Forever" club, that would have been different. In this case, Snopes already debunked its existence.

[Blues Heron]

33. Well looking at where he went from there

I'd say he was quite serious. This shouldn't be dismissed casually. Make him explain himself. Why defend him like this?

[ExciteBike66]

37. Who is defending anyone?

It is not a defense of someone to merely point out the obvious. There are plenty of reasons to oppose Gorsuch, the joke in his year book is not one of them.

[Blues Heron]

38. You're apologizing for him

This shows he has been dabbling in fascism for a long time. I suppose the college op-eds are off limits too? Or is it OK to make him own his defense of apartheid? Was that just a joke too?

[ExciteBike66]

39. Oh come on!

Do you really not see the difference between an Op-ed and a blurb in a yearbook? You are conflating the two in an attempt to show that I am excusing his idiotic opinions about Apartheid. My point is that many people put funny things in their yearbook blurbs: quotes, pics, jokes, etc.

Did you see my story about my friend in high school? Should we suspect him of "dabbling in terrorism for a long time" since he wrote in his high school yearbook blurb that he is a terrorist?

[Blues Heron]

40. Did your friend become one? No.

Did Gorsucka become a fascist? Yes. I say we hit him with everything he wrote - make him own it all.

Go after his mom too - show it runs in the family and the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. You know that's where he picked it up from originally. She tried to pull a Pruitt on the EPA under Reagan.

[ExciteBike66]

41. Feel free

I'm not a fan of Gorsuch. That said, I would rather hit him on substance than on the nothingburger that is his "fascism forever" club. It kind of makes us all look a bit foolish to worry about what was in his highschool yearbook.

[Blues Heron]

42. Fair enough. n/t

[VOX]

20. Summary: He's a privileged little asshole.

But the fascist bit, it's just collegiate bull. He's a right winger, always has been, and this is his little joke. For all we know, his buds called him "the fascist." Right-wing "humor" is always about punching below your weight, anyway, and Gorsuch is rock-solid right wing. It's snarky as shit, but really, it's kid stuff.

I wrote a blurb in my yearbook about my politics being "to the left of Chairman Mao," or some such. Does that make me a "commie" with my far-left politics now? Again, kid stuff.

His plagiarism, *that's* something else entirely. And his overall character now, today? He is definitely NOT someone I'd like to see on the Supreme Court.

[Blues Heron]

35. Still, make him defend it

He can explain when he stopped being infatuated with fascism.

[mr_liberal]

22. There wasn't an actual club, it was a joke, but....

...it tells you what kind of a person he was when he was young. He was the type of young conservative that listens to Limbaugh, is alt right, hates "libtards" etc...

He's not the mild mannered person he put on in the hearing. It's an act. He's actually a very partisan, far right, not objective political person.... and thats not the kind of person that should be a judge on the supreme court.

[JenniferJuniper]

26. If he made up such a club in his mind and then put it

in the yearbook, he's a sick Nazi fuck.

[caroldansen]

28. Back then gorsuch obviously wanted to align himself with fascism.

[oasis]

34. He's a confirmed corporate shill. That's for sure. nt