Looks like The Donald is Dumping the Alt-Right

[MineralMan]

He's a vengeful sort of fellow, it seems. The Alt-Right, in the form of the House "Freedom" Caucus, didn't back him up on the ACA repeal and Deform bill. That pissed him off a good deal, apparently, so he demoted their darlings, Bannon and Kellyanne, and then goes and bombs a Syrian air base.

That'll show 'em! Hell, Ivanka and her DH will work just fine, and have money-loyalty to The Donald. Out with the old. In with the new!

And yet, Donald Trump remains an incompetent POS in the Oval Office, regardless of who his toadies might be.

[TomCADem]

1. No. 70 Year Old Men Do Not Wake Up No Longer Racist.

nt

[MineralMan]

3. One needn't be from the Alt-Right to be a racist.

Nope. There are racists everywhere, even in the Democratic Party.

[TomCADem]

17. Assumes The Alt-Right Has Some Consistent Ideology...

...beyond white nationalism and xenophobia. Trump is the walking, talking alt-right.

[MineralMan]

18. Well, you have a definite point, there.

Trump is not any single thing, really, other than being a narcissist. It's hard to pin him down as fitting into any political reality. He is, and will always be, a loose cannon, capable of sinking the ship of state in a storm.

[greymattermom]

2. Maybe he'll drop the Republican party

and go for universal health care. That'll show 'em.

[MineralMan]

6. I actually think he could be sold on Medicare for All.

It would have to be presented just so, but he might go for it if it sidelined the whole healthcare issue for him. I'm not sure, though, and the Congress would never pass it, but...

[7962]

32. I agree.

[MineralMan]

35. Not many agree, though.

Trump wants to be rid of the whole healthcare thing. He doesn't understand it and has no desire to understand it. He just wants a solution that will get it off his plate. Trouble is, he's not listening to anyone who wants Medicare for All. If it could be presented to him in a way that made sense in his tiny little reptile brain, he might go for it.

[7962]

37. My favorite point to bring up to those against ANY govt involvement;

"are you ready to write the checks for your parents that Medicare has been writing??"
"Do you really think regular insurance would cover your elderly parents?"

[MineralMan]

40. Good points to raise.

In my experience, almost everyone I know in the 50+ age group is really, really looking forward to being on Medicare. I've been on it for six years now, and never worry about healthcare at all. It's covered by Medicare and my $114 supplement that covers what Medicare doesn't. It's a win-win situation all around.

My wife, who is four years away from Medicare has to sweat out the whole ACA thing every year. Even with her subsidy, it costs her almost $600/month for coverage that has a $3500 out-of-pocket max. Since she had hip replacement surgery this February, she has already hit that maximum, so she won't be paying any co-pays the rest of the year. There are still those premiums, though.

My premiums for Medicare and the supplement are about $220 per month. No co-pays at all, except for prescriptions, but my prescriptions are all cheap generics, so three months of all three costs about $60.

Medicare is fabulous! It truly is.

[7962]

57. I understand. I havent had any insurance for quite awhile.

I'd like to get on Medicare at 55 but of course thats not allowed. But a policy with several thousand deductible would cost me several hundred a month & i have no pre existing conditions, so i just make deals with dr offices and pay cash or charge

[womanofthehills]

41. and ... 80% of kids in NM are on Medicaid

So would almost all the kids in NM have no insurance.

[Still In Wisconsin]

38. Remember his quote (paraphrased) "I don't care what's in the bill I just want a ceremony." n/t

[MineralMan]

43. Yes. I'm sure that accurately reflects his thinking about it.

Trump Don't Care!

[LiberalLovinLug]

39. If he were smart, and altruistic, which he's not, he would promote that

He could drag enough idiots to vote with him that would simply take his word that single payer is "terrific". Those that hate Democrats but don't trust the Republican party either. The Trumpsters. As long as the all-knowing Donald assured them it wasn't evil socialism they'd be on board.
If he stopped in his tracks, invited Bernie to work with him (my gawd Sanders would be hated even more in here if that happened), and used that as his platform for 2020, he'd probably win bigly. And embarrass the moderate/right "it's not possible" Democrats at the same time.

[Horse with no Name]

45. If someone close to him told him that he would be the most beloved President ever

if he enacted Medicare for all...he would do it.

[WePurrsevere]

51. I think it's possible since he actually was for...

a Canadian type of universal healthcare 12 yrs or so ago. He reversed his position fairly recently (2011) so it's that if we knew why he changed so much a logical case could be presented to make him change back to for it.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jul/24/erick-erickson/conservative-columnist-trump-once-backed-single-pa/

[certainot]

47. 'alt right' is just a subset of the talk radio base, like the tea party

that's trump's real base and it would do dems well to finally realize that. polling would confirm it, and once dems stop ignoring it the GOP won't have a chance at anything.

[BainsBane]

4. I don't think the freedom caucus and the alt right

are the same. The alt right refers to white supremacists. The Freedom Caucus are hard-right fiscal conservatives.

[MineralMan]

7. The Freedom Caucus is also made up of racists, misogynists, and

other -ists of the noxious kind. And yes, they're also hard-right fiscal conservatives, but that is not all they are. Most of them could also be characterized as libertarians, to boot. They're a big scabby wart on the nose of the body politic, to be sure.

[KittyWampus]

14. The Freedom Caucus is perfectly fine using dog whistles and Southern Strategy and Voter Suppression

It's simply moving from overt to slightly less openly racist.

[BainsBane]

15. I don't question that

but they aren't the ones doing the heil Trump salutes, and Steve Bannon isn't their guy.

[GWC58]

23. Many In the Freedom Caucus are also

social conservatives. The bill to reschedule cannabis will get Zero votes from the Freedom Caucus. They're all about freedom, just not our freedom!

[sharedvalues]

29. Racist Freedom Caucus couldnt get elected without their racism

Not enough Americans really want huge tax giveaways for the rich. So the Hatemongering (freedom) Caucus need to run on hate and identity politics to win.
They count on Koch money and hiding their true views and gerrymandering.

The arc of history is turning against them.

[certainot]

48. they're all subsets of the talk radio base

[FakeNoose]

5. One step towards the middle, that's all

I still think the sucker needs to be impeached.



But maybe this will wreck the Tea Party idiots, and that can't hurt.

[MineralMan]

8. Absolutely. Resign or Be Impeached, Trump!

[Jonny Appleseed]

9. Exchanging it for nobody.

Liberals, even centrists, think this was a wag-the-dog op and there's absolutely no way that Trump grew a conscience. They hate him even more because of his "bomb to protect them, just don't let them in" hypocrisy.

Only moderate republicans that couldn't put party over country before because the party had become so fucked up like it because now they can. Only the token republican nevertrump pundits like it. And the media liked it but then realized quickly how they were played. Like a dog who made a poop and was excited to show you but then you're like "dude don't poop on the fucking rug, why would I be impressed with that?"

[MineralMan]

12. Trump is Sui Generis

He's too stupid and uneducated to have any sort of solid political compass. He's one-of-a-kind, and that's very, very dangerous for our nation.

[tomp]

31. no true principles, opinions, relationships, knowledge, understanding, morals....

....except in how it relates to serving his ego, wealth, and power. none.

he is an absolute sociopathic opportunist, and yes, that makes him unbelievably dangerous. He is one of the most notable victims of the Dunning-Kruger effect, i.e., too stupid to know he's stupid, too incompetent to know he's incompetent, which somehow leads to incredible levels of confidence and believing one is on a par with really intelligent and competent people. The one thing he is good at is setting up a project from which he can extract cash, with zero concern for how it affects others or whether it is legal or moral, and convincing people he is smart and competent.

Possibly the only more dangerous person is a person who goes out and kills people for his own benefit without compunction.

And now he has the military at his disposal, and is already using it in Syria for his own personal ends.

He must be stopped. IMO, the only way is to take to the streets.

[MineralMan]

34. Taking to the streets will not get rid of Trump.

It simply will not. It might get your head broken, though, under a Trump administration.

Trump will have to be removed from office or forced to resign. That's going to to take action by Republicans in Congress, not street activism. I think that will happen before too much time passes, but I'm not certain of that.

By all means, take to the streets. But do not expect that to get rid of Donald Trump. It won't.

[tomp]

58. we must agree to disagree.

placing faith in a political solution from the two party system to the totality of our problems is foolhardy, based on the history of politics in the u.s. that is what led us here. getting rid of trump is not the goal per se. getting rid of the corruption system that rules the u.s. is the goal. the collusion between the democrats and republicans is but the right and left hand of the same corporate/imperialist body.

when I say take to the streets I do not mean violence. I mean unrelenting but peaceful mass(ive) demonstrations directed squarely against the political system that is the source of the problem. millions upon millions of people. no system can withstand that. from my perspective this is undeniable.

what will happen if the rulers refuse to respond and relent, as they are doing now, they will cause people to feel that nothing but violence is left and the violence that sues will be horrendous.

[WhiteTara]

10. I wonder what the Mercers will do.

They invested a lot of time and money into Trump and I wonder how vengeful they are.

[MineralMan]

13. I dunno.

There are going to be a lot of people unhappy with The Donald. That's why I think the GOOPers will end up impeaching him and installing Pence. Trump is always going to be a loose cannon.

[WhiteTara]

19. Then we can only hope that the curtain on the Russia Affair

will be completely torn down and the whole lot goes down...all the way to Ryan and the Turtle.

[90-percent]

21. small world about these mercers

their place of business on Long Island is about 1,300 feet from the home I grew up in from 1963 to 1979.

-90% Jimmy

[Lucky Luciano]

49. Indeed - I went to high school with Jen and Bekah Mercer in Yorktown.

Heather was a little younger. Heather had an interesting story. She actually tried out to be a field goal kicker on our football team and she got on. Then she got on the team at Duke. The next year she was cut at Duke and they brought in another male to be the backup kicker who was demonstrably not as good. They sued Duke for $2 million and won - and they won the appeal too.

They weren't rich yet at that point. Now they are.

[KittyWampus]

11. No, just using dog whistles instead of the bullhorn.

[MineralMan]

16. Trump is nothing if not unstable to a significant degree.

He is capable of turning in any direction on a whim for any specific issue. It is his lack of loyalty to any particular political group that will end up leading to his impeachment by the Republicans. They'd much prefer Pence in the oval office. As soon as they realize that, Trump will be gone, probably by resignation.

[Volaris]

20. See??!! This is why we need to elect a REAL conservative...

We TOLD you he was a New York Liberal Wall Street Non-christian Globalist White-hating Cuck...

[MineralMan]

22. Look, I'm in no way praising Donald Trump.

I loathe the man, and want him as far from the White House as he can get. I'm just pointing out something that makes him less attractive to the far-right.

[90-percent]

24. He's remarkable

In an evil genius idiot savant kind of way. Perhaps due to the wit and wisdom of his father and his almost lifelong mentor lawyer Evil Roy Cohn*?

The Mango Maniac is the most successful practitioner of confidence/ponzi schemes in at least the past five centuries! It has never caught up with him, all this swindling of all his contractors, all his dealings with underworld figures, all his bankruptcies, all his affairs and divorces and all his psychosis has been the water slide that slid him into his current enterprise.

His whole life has been a ponzi scheme where he has repeatedly bet the farm with the biggest banks in the world and won! And his enterprise could be in hock up to their eyeballs to the russian bank-mobs?

Yeah, he's probably gonna nuke Tierra Del Fieguo because Bannon or Mercer or Pence told him it was where islamic extremists come from.

My point is that he's been screwing over 90% of the people in his life he does business with. And now does political alliance's with. He's a sociopathic liar so bad he doesn't even know when He's lying, or contradicting himself. Unlike most people on this planet, he seems to have no core values what so ever. He stands for nothing. Except pathological narcissism, greed, stupidity and cruelty.

Holy mackerel! I just realized that #45's entire life history is that of someone THAT CAN'T BE TRUSTED and does not stand by his word. Or his signature.


-90% Jimmy

*Roy died of aids and at the end of his life #45 didn't return his calls.

[90-percent]

25. author credit for "the Mango Maniac"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8908362

[PsychoBabble]

26. Even Redstate sees 45 moving "centrist"/Priebus/Kushner/Ivanka

... vs Bannon ideology.

I've always believed Ivanka + Kushner outweighs Bannon.

[KPN]

27. Let's hope so. But

Trump is a shape-shifter. He relies on creating disequilibrium, getting folks off-balance. I wouldn't be surprised to see him do something intentionally aimed at getting the alt-right solidly back behind him again. It's what he has done his entire adult life.

Long-term (hopefully not too long though), I can't see him maintaining all of his support on this particular stage -- the Presidency is too big even for him. If he's not impeached before or after 2018, he's going to have a hard time winning again in 2020 without his current level of support, even relying on nefarious means. At least that's my hope. Well, one of my hopes -- the other is a bit more morbid.

[Bleacher Creature]

28. They're his base.

He's not going to win over Democrats by shifting to the middle, and pulling in the handful of moderate Republicans left isn't going to make up for the loss of support from the crazies.

He may actually hit the single digits in approval.

[womanofthehills]

46. It's fun watching Alex Jones go psycho over Jared & Ivanka.

Rodger Stone can't handle it either. Milos is pissed - as if anyone cared..

[left-of-center2012]

30. How did he demote Kellyanne? n/t

[MineralMan]

33. Have you seen much of her lately?

I haven't. She has been demoted and isn't speaking for Trump much any more. I think she'll be gone with Bannon soon.

[left-of-center2012]

50. She was on the news last night

Either CBS or NBC, doing an interview. (I watch CBS at 5, and then NBC at 5:30)

[7962]

36. Has he? I've only heard rumors but havent seen anything "reliable' about her position changing nt

[MineralMan]

42. How much have you been seeing her at all?

She certainly wasn't in that "situation room" at Mar-a-Lago. Bannon was, but he had a chair at the kids' table, not at the adults' table. Of course, Ivanka wasn't there either. Maybe they were together...who can say...

[7962]

55. Now THERES a rumor!! :)

[womanofthehills]

44. Kellyanne is supposedly hitting the campaign trail for 2018

and raising money.

[7962]

56. The never-ending campaign now days..... nt

[LeftInTX]

52. The Alt-Right is basically anarchist - Bannon, Milos, Spencer, Alex Jones, Limbaugh, David Duke

and their followers. They are big Trump supporters and are his base. I don't think many of the them hold political office.

Freedom Caucus is a different group. They are in Congress. (Ted Cruz, Ron Johnson etc) They have never really supported Trump. They wanted Ted Cruz. They know they have a lot of political clout and funding. They are the Heritage Foundation group. They see Trump as "big govt" and as unpredictable. They are very anti-tax. They are constantly trying to move the Republican party further to the right.

[uponit7771]

53. While keeping the White Supremacist at his side? NO !!!!!!! They're just not center of attention now

[roamer65]

54. Reportedly he's considering Gary Cohn for chief of staff.

The Goldman Sucks squid coup is nearing completion. When they win, the neo-nazi Bannon lovers will go bonkers and turn on Dump.