BREAKING UPDATE: Police: Multiple people shot and killed as gunman goes on shooting spree in Fresno

[bathroommonkey76]

Three people are dead in a shooting spree in downtown Fresno on Tuesday, and the suspect was wanted in connection to the Motel 6 killing last week, the Fresno Police Department said.

Kori Ali Muhammad, 39, shouted "Allahu Akbar" as police tackled him to the ground after the shootings which were spread over four locations, Police Chief Jerry Dyer said.

The victims appeared to be random, Dyer said.



Shot Spotter detected the first gunshots around 10:45 a.m. Muhammad shot into a PG&E vehicle killing the passenger. The driver sped away and drove to Fresno Police headquarters.


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[herding cats]

1. Not again!

[NastyRiffraff]

106. How many times do we have to say this?

"Not again" We hoped, after Sandy Hook, that at least the monsters in the Republican Party (aka NRA) would wake up, but no.

Damn it! DAMN IT TO HELL!

[50 Shades Of Blue]

2. THANKS, you murder-loving fuckers at NRA!

[Marengo]

3. How is the NRA responsible?

[Coventina]

6. Gee, I dunno....

Maybe it's constant lobbying against any reasonable gun control laws.

Constant lobbying for more guns in more places (schools, bars, etc.).

Giving brazilions of dollars to pro-gun candidates.

Actively trying to unseat any politician that is for any kind of gun control.

"My cold, dead hands."

Promoting "the Nuge" as a figurehead.
(Someone who actually threatened violence against Hillary Clinton).

Against SAFETY FEATURES in guns.

Against ammo limits.

I could go on.....

On edit: clarity

[50 Shades Of Blue]

9. Thank you!

[ansible]

10. California has the strictest gun laws in the country already

It won't help much, especially when this guy is allegedly muslim.

[Coventina]

11. Clearly, they are not strict enough.

And so what if he's Muslim?

Muslims don't magically grow guns, they get them the same way everyone else does.

[ansible]

14. You'd rather blame gun laws instead of his religion as a motivator for his attack?

Really?

[Coventina]

18. Hell no I am not going to blame Islam! There are nearly 2 billion Muslims.

Islamic terrorism is definitely a problem, but I am not going to blame the whole religion.

Yikes!

That's like saying all Christians are like the KKK.

[Eliot Rosewater]

78. So Islam is the problem?

[hack89]

21. What new law would have prevented this?

he was a felon who could not legally own guns.

[Coventina]

25. Well, Europe seems to be able to keep the rate of gun deaths at a fraction of ours.

They must be doing something right.

[hack89]

29. They have a robust social safety net and provide for the health and well being of their citizens

they also have rational policies regarding drugs and mental health. We don't.

[Coventina]

31. Wow. So you're saying that only the poor and mentally ill commit gun crimes?

That does not hold up to any kind of scrutiny.

[hack89]

34. There is a direct correlation between poverty and violent crime

For the period 2008–12—
Persons in poor households at or below the Federal Poverty Level (FPL) (39.8 per 1,000) had more than double the rate of violent victimization as persons in high-income households (16.9 per 1,000).
Persons in poor households had a higher rate of violence involving a firearm (3.5 per 1,000) compared to persons above the FPL (0.8–2.5 per 1,000).
The overall pattern of poor persons having the highest rates of violent victimization was consistent for both whites and blacks. However, the rate of violent victimization for Hispanics did not vary across poverty levels.
Poor Hispanics (25.3 per 1,000) had lower rates of violence compared to poor whites (46.4 per 1,000) and poor blacks (43.4 per 1,000).
Poor persons living in urban areas (43.9 per 1,000) had violent victimization rates similar to poor persons living in rural areas (38.8 per 1,000).
Poor urban blacks (51.3 per 1,000) had rates of violence similar to poor urban whites (56.4 per 1,000).

https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5137

[Coventina]

36. That still doesn't explain why non-poor people commit gun crimes, which they do by the thousands.

And, it doesn't explain one of the facts in your post: that there was no variation for Hispanics across economic levels.

[hack89]

40. I never said that only poor people kill others

I said that societies that invest significant resources in healthcare, education, and jobs have healthier, less violent societies.

Seems non-controversial to me.

[Coventina]

43. So how do you explain what happend in Australia when they passed strict gun control?

And their gun violence plummeted?

[hack89]

52. Their murder rate was really low to start with and was steadily declining for decades before the ban

it is not like they had US type social issues that fueled a US level of violence. They did not have large urban centers with large, violent drug gangs for example. So "plummeted" is a relative term.

80 percent of Australian gun deaths prior to the ban were suicides and accidents - a similar rate to America's. Gun violence is really a suicide problem.

The Australian government bought back tens of thousands of guns. We could not afford Australian style buy backs in America - the cost would be astronomical.

And finally - the number of guns in Australia is now back to pre-ban levels.

[Coventina]

57. Rueters seems to disagree with you:

The chances of being murdered by a gun in Australia plunged to 0.15 per 100,000 people in 2014 from 0.54 per 100,000 people in 1996, a decline of 72 percent, a Reuters analysis of Australian Bureau of Statistics figures showed.

In 1996, Australia had 311 murders, of which 98 were with guns. In 2014, with the population up from about 18 million to 23 million, Australia had 238 murders, of which 35 were with guns.

It was the April 28, 1996, shooting deaths by a lone gunman of 35 people in and around a cafe at a historic former prison colony in Tasmania that prompted the government to buy back or confiscate a million firearms and make it harder to buy new ones.

The country has had no mass shootings since.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-australia-guns-idUSKCN0XP0HG

And, gun buybacks were in the US have been largely successful. I think as the richest nation on earth, we could figure out how to upscale them without bankrupting the country.

[hack89]

59. A drop of 63 total gun murders? With 35 murders in a single incident in 1996?

goes to my point that they had a very low murder rate to begin with.

Show me the declines prior to the gun ban please.

Gun buy backs have not been successful in America. They are not even a drop in the bucket.

[Coventina]

68. You're the one making the claim that murders were no big deal in Australia

before the gun ban.

The burden of proof is on you as the one making the claim.

Gun buybacks have been very popular. They might be a drop in the bucket compared to the ridiculous number of guns in circulation, but they are proof that people are interested in such programs.

[Marengo]

107. Research indicates gun buy-backs in the USA are ineffective, collecting small numbers of guns.

A significant number being antiques, inoperative, or of types infrequently used in crime.

[Coventina]

121. I have better things to do with my time than argue what's obvious.

I'm sorry that your life is so full of fear that a deadly weapon comes before people.

Peace Be With You.

[Marengo]

124. In other words you can't refute that fact, and please describe in detail your knowledge of my life.

[LanternWaste]

116. And firearms, as well...

"they also have rational policies regarding drugs and mental health..."

And firearms, as well...

[hack89]

119. There are things we can do regarding gun laws

if there was broad public support for them. UBCs seems like a no brainer - my state has them and it works. There are no real legal barriers to strict gun control, just political and cultural ones.

In the mean time, there are easier ways to reduce gun deaths without gun control. A national anti-suicide campaign coupled to improved access to mental health would be a great place to start considering two thirds of gun deaths are suicides. A second step would be to focus the legal system on violent offenders with guaranteed prison time for any crime committed with a gun.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

12. Right, let's abolish all laws then since so many get routinely broken.

[hack89]

19. California has defied the NRA and has passed strict gun control

this guy was a nutball felon who could not legally own guns.

[Coventina]

23. I'm willing to concede that the NRA is not directly responsible.

But their promotion of guns, paranoia among gun owners, and the delusion of "the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" have vastly contributed to the problems we have in the number of guns circulating, and the many ways felons can get guns.

[hack89]

28. This guy is a criminal.

he is a member of a violent criminal sub-culture that covets guns in pursuit of criminal activity, not because of any thing the NRA says. There are many gun "cultures" in America. The NRA is irrelevant to some.

[Coventina]

30. The NRA has been busily at work getting guns de-regulated and resisting making it harder

for guns to be tracked and kept out of the hands of criminals.

They want people suspected of terrorism to be able to buy guns!

I don't know how much clearer I can be that they happily aid and abet the ease with which criminals get guns!!!

[hack89]

32. Do you understand how the terror watch lists work?

you really think the government should be able to take away constitutional rights in secret with no due process?
You must have loved the Patriot Act.

[Coventina]

33. In what sense is someone on the terrorist watch list a part of a "well-regulated militia?"

on edit: spelling

[hack89]

35. Irrelevant. Heller is the law of the land

so tell me - say it was some other right other than guns. Would you still support the government being able to take away rights in secret with no due process? Or is it only guns?

[Coventina]

38. Yes, it is only guns. And, I will not make any apology for that because the 2nd amendment

was not and never was supposed to mean that people get to use deadly force just 'cuz they feel like it.

[hack89]

44. Ok.

your knowledge of the 2A is pretty bad. Even Scalia in Heller says that the 2A allows strict regulation of guns. I bet nearly every law you want would be constitutional - AWBs, registration, UBCs, magazine size limits all perfectly constitutional.

The reason gun control is a smoking wreck in America is the lack of deep public support. Time to stop using the 2A as an excuse and get to work if you want things to change.

[Coventina]

45. Which brings me back to the NRA, which actively spreads paranoia that ANY GUN CONTROL

means the gov't is coming to take Grandpappy's deer huntin' rifle.

[mythology]

47. So was prohibition and Dred Scott

Abortion is legal and Republicans do everything they can to limit it.

[hack89]

54. The point is Heller allows very strict regulation of guns

the only right that is protected is the right to own a handgun in the privacy of your home. AWBs, UBCs, registration, etc are all perfectly constitution.

Time to stop using the 2A as an excuse - it is not your problem. The lack of wide public support is.

[Marengo]

65. Should people suspected of terrorism also be allowed to buy knives and motor vehicles?

[Coventina]

67. And here we go with the false equivalencies....

Guns are designed to do one thing and one thing only: kill.

I would say knives designed as weapons should be disallowed to terrorist suspects.

Silverware? Of course not.

Motor vehicles? Case-by-case basis.

[Marengo]

72. And yet a Renault truck killed more than the Pulse and San Bernardino shootings combined...

Impressive for something not designed as a weapon.

[Coventina]

74. My point is about guns and the ease of getting them to commit crimes.

Nice try on the distraction, but it won't work.

[Marengo]

77. Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel had no problem renting the non-weapon that killed 86.

[Coventina]

79. Yeah, and hijackers flew planes into buildings on 9/11.

We were talking about guns.

[Marengo]

104. As guns aren't the only things used as weapons by terrorists, shouldn't we also be discussing how

To limit access to those things by suspected terrorists?

[Marengo]

75. Background checks for knife purchases? What does a knife designed as a weapon look like?

Background check for motor vehicle purchases? What would be the prohibiting criteria?

[Coventina]

81. Oh please. Why don't you just defend the NRA instead of hiding behind all this?

Clearly, it's what you want to do.

[Marengo]

103. You wrote "I would say knives designed as weapons should be disallowed to terrorist suspects."

How would this prohibition be implemented? What characteristics define a knife designed as a weapon?

[askyagerz]

51. Where do you think all of those guns come from?

The criminal element have so many guns cause the NRA has lobbied to make more guns then people and therefore society is oversaturated with guns. Plus considering a gun can exist for about 5 human lifetime it makes them as expendable as happy meal toys. Not real hard for some moron to find one if they want.

[hack89]

55. And the funny thing is that gun deaths plummeted

as the number of guns in society went up. We have cut our murder and manslaughter rates in half over the past 20 years. Violent crime overall is at historic lows.

[askyagerz]

60. That has more to do with how we started schooling our society

and less people in dire straights over the years. Not to mention we've locked up half of the underbelly of society. So much more policing over the years. Violent crime in general has gone down wether it be guns, knives or just assholes beating their wives. It's not like the violent crime is being stopped by more people having guns because studies show that's just not the case. I'm all about gun ownership but the NRA is flucking it up for everyone other then the gun makers

[hack89]

61. So no direct correlation between number of guns and gun deaths

Sounds about right.

[askyagerz]

70. A less violent society is goint to have less people willing to commit murder

We are still one of the most violent countries on earth though. Our numbers haven't gone down nearly as mush as other industrialized countries over the years. Definitely nothing to brag about. Did you ever stop to think if we hadn't made guns as cheap as water then our violent crime rate would actually be much lower then it is now and our murder rate would have probably plummeted. Same visa versa, if they would of had easier access to more guns when crime was at it's highest don't you think those numbers might have been much higher?

[Eliot Rosewater]

82. Adding to the horrible and disgusting practices of the NRA is the simple

fact that gun ownership is protected only in connection to a well regulated militia.

If we did what we were supposed to do the only way this guy could have had a gun in the first place is if he was a part of the militia and took the gun out of the locked case at the well regulated militia building and went out and did this.

Our interpretation of the 2nd amendment is courtesy of the NRA and for profit corporations.

[Coventina]

85. Thank you. This thread is unbelievable. Had no idea we had so many NRA fanboys here.

[Eliot Rosewater]

86. It makes sense, many in our party are pro gun.

It isnt wrong for them to be, it is just that if we dont do something drastic, it is gonna get even worse.

[Coventina]

89. I think there is something weird about being "pro-gun". Guns are designed for killing ONLY.

Why does anyone want to be "pro-killing-object"?

Especially on a liberal website?

[Eliot Rosewater]

90. Guns are tools that can be used for target practice or for survival.

Personally I wish there were no guns for anybody, and that we have way too many.

Many people are brought up with guns, obviously.

So changing the attitude about guns will take some time. You can be pro gun and anti gun ownership outside of the proper 2nd amendment.

For instance I think owning a single shot hunting rifle should be legal, nothing else, outside of the militia.

And to own that hunting rifle you would need training, certified training and a license.

[Coventina]

92. Your plan sounds reasonable to me, but it would make the NRA and their fans crazy. n/t

[Eliot Rosewater]

94. Yes, it would, now I hear the pricks in the WH are coming after Marijuana use

they want to kill us.

I need people to understand that, that the con wants liberals and democrats gone or dead.

For real.

[Marengo]

110. Can they also be used for self defense?

[hack89]

95. No

At least when it comes to the 2A our views are in line with the Democratic party platform and it's leadership.

[Coventina]

97. And just how many Democrats does the NRA support, as opposed to Republicans?

Which candidate did the NRA support for POTUS?

[hack89]

99. Doesn't matter

Supporting guns does not mean support for repukes or the NRA. I am a Democrat that owns guns. There are a lot of us.

[Coventina]

122. I am sorry that your life is so full of fear that you need so many deadly weapons.

Peace Be With You.

[hack89]

123. I don't own guns for self protection. I live in a very safe town

I own guns for competitive target shooting. My entire family shoots - very social activity that is a lot of fun.

When I am not shooting, all my rifles are locked up with the ammo locked up in a different safe. I am not the problem.

[hack89]

91. Not according to the Democratic party platform

President Obama and both Bernie and Hillary

[Marengo]

109. When and where in the US has militia membership been a prerequisite for the possession of

Firearms by free citizens?

[Lee-Lee]

37. You do realize California has the following..

Universal background checks.

Waiting period of 10 days for all purchases

Assault weapons ban

Ban on all magazines over 10 rounds

Ban on mail order ammunition sales

Mandotory licensing of all gun owners with a safety test required

Ban on sale of all handguns except those on a specific approved list

All sales since 1991 have been registered in a state database


The state is literally everything gun prohibitionists have ever wanted. You can't blame this shooting on a lack of gun laws.

Of course when a person is set on murder breaking other laws to get there doesn't seem to matter to them. Funny how adding new laws doesn't stop people who break existing ones.

[Coventina]

41. Please see my posts #25 & #30

The NRA is not directly involved, but they are a contributing factor.

[mythology]

53. Funny how other countries don't have the same problem

Individual state gun laws are undercut by other states having lax gun laws.

For example a majority of guns used to commit crimes in Chicago were purchased out of state.

[Marengo]

62. Where did the weapons used in the Charlie Hebdo and Paris attacks originate?

[Lee-Lee]

114. Two things

First, it's illegal under Federal law to buy a handgun out of state at all, and illegal to buy a long gun out of state unless it goes through a dealer and a full background check is done.

So there is already a law on the book to cover the problem you identify.

Second, when you put all the laws you want in place and the problem doesn't go away, it's time to realize you have been pushing the wrong solutions instead of doubling down on more of what doesn't work.

[Marengo]

64. What "reasonable" gun law, and what "safety features" could have prevented this shooting?

[Coventina]

69. Guns that only fire when handled by the registered, legal owner.

Making gun exponentially harder to obtain.

[hack89]

93. Wrong

300 million non-smart guns will not disappear over night. And of course no technology is hackable by criminals.

[Coventina]

96. I took the question by the other poster as a theoretical.

Of course I realize that all the ridiculous guns will not disappear overnight.

It doesn't mean we shouldn't start trying to eradicate them.

Each gun destroyed is potential lives saved.

We have to start somewhere.

[hack89]

98. If you want to do something in your life time

I recommend working on an anti-sucide campaign. 60 % of gun deaths are suicides so it would save a lot of lives and is more likely to actually happen.

[Marengo]

102. Where are these available for sale to the general public? What of the several hundred million guns..

Already in circulation not using this technology?

[MicaelS]

71. Don't focus on the fact that this is a Hate Crime.

Blame it on the NRA. Right.

[Coventina]

73. *sigh* As I've said a few times in this thread:

NRA enables this type of crime.



I don't directly blame them, but they sure make it easier to commit this kind of crime.

[jcmaine72]

76. He also shouted "Allahu Akbar". Using your logic, that would mean that Islam was just as much of an

enabler to this type crime as the NRA.

[Coventina]

84. *bzzzt* Wrong. The NRA is an organization promoting the proliferation of deadly weapons.

Islam is not a monolithic entity and has any number of interpretations and practices.
ALL the world's major religions do.

As I said upthread, blaming Islam for this is like blaming Christianity for what the KKK does.

[melman]

112. Yes

I am not a gun person. Far from it.

But the fact is, the focus is on the NRA here because the killer is black and the victims were white.


If the races were reversed it would be a whole different story. It would be all about 'white Christian terrorists' etc. But that's DU for you.

[MicaelS]

113. Absolutely correct in all respects. n/t

[Yo_Mama]

105. It's unlikely he was legally in possession of it! See this article

http://heavy.com/news/2017/04/kori-ali-muhammad-fresno-shooting-isis-allahu-akbar-terror-attack-photos-facebook-suspect-california/

Muhammad has a criminal history in federal court with indications of previously mental health issues, and he filled his Facebook page with ramblings about “Asiatic black national demand” and “the lost found Asiatic black nation.”

Last July, he posted about the Baton Rouge police shootings, writing, “They shot Our Brother from a 100 yards through a structure. Guess you didn’t have a robot. #ENJOYPARADISEGOD.” He also posted a photo of a man smiling with the caption, “My face when grafted white devils die.”

[Calculating]

20. Come on now!

How the fuck is the NRA to blame for this? If he couldn't get a gun he just would've stolen a car and driven through a crowd of people like those assholes in EU do.

[maxsolomon]

50. American gun rampages occur much more frequently than the car rampages in europe

which are a fairly new phenomenon.

but congrats on not using the "he'd have just used a knife" argument. progress.

[VOX]

111. You can't be serious!

How is the NRA responsible for this? Here's how: they are the mouthpiece of the roughly $15 billion/year firearms industry. They lobby the beejeesus out of the senate and congress and get away with murder, killing every bill that advocates basic gun safety legislation-- background checks, gun-show loopholes, making guns available to individuals afflicted with mental illness, on and on. The NRA hasn't one scintilla of shame when these mass killings occur.

You surely must know that the NRA isn't very popular here on DU. If not, you do now.

[calendargirl]

117. Blame the NRA!

And while we're at it, I also blame the school cafeteria for serving hot dogs that made my kid obese. And Apple is responsible for making the iPhone that caused me to text and drive and kill that pedestrian the other day.

[Jack-o-Lantern]

4. "How is the NRA responsible?".... You've got to be kidding...

[Lee-Lee]

42. See my post above

California literally has every gun control law on its books that gun prohibitionists want.

Universal background checks, waiting periods, registration of all gun sold, licensing with a mandatory safety test, assault weapons ban, the list goes on and on.

The NRA hasn't won a single battle there on gun control and the gun control advocates have gotten everything they wanted.

I don't see how they can blame the NRA when all the laws they wanted they got.

[maxsolomon]

48. Blaming the NRA is shorthand for blaming Gun Culture

since they are the best-known proponents of the necessity of firearms in daily life, and tirelessly advocate for their proliferation in this misbegotten nation.

It's not blame as much as it's "this is the nation you've helped create over the last 40 years, so fuck you".

and a 10-day waiting period? yippee skippee, I favor 30 days, if not 6 months.

[hack89]

56. I thought Gun Culture white, RW racists

where do AA criminals fit into that culture?

[HoneyBadger]

100. AA criminals smacks of racism

White gun culture smacks of privilege.

AA have a real need for guns.

Whites do not.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/12512670864#post81

That is the sense I get from reading posts like the one linked.

[hack89]

101. Convicted felons have no need for guns

Regardless of race.

Why do AAs need guns more than whites? It is not whites that are killing them in large numbers.

[shenmue]

5. ...

[MineralMan]

7. Oh, crap! Not again!

Fresno - The armpit of California and gateway to Oakhurst.

[B2G]

8. Reports coming in he yelled "allah akhbar"

and posted Facebook rants against white people.

[Lurks Often]

22. His FB page is still up as of now

I'm sure it will be taken down soon though,. He refers to "grafted white devil" a lot in photos. The prosecutors are going to be using his FB pictures and posts against him in court.

[randome]

13. Isn't this LBN-worthy?

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[bathroommonkey76]

17. I'm sure someone will post in LBN soon. n/t

[LittleBlue]

15. He targeted white people

Hate crime.

[bathroommonkey76]

27. You're correct.

There are local news reports I've read that said he targeted white people.

[pfitz59]

16. I have friends and family there

not involved, but still too close to home

[sdfernando]

24. Geez....lots of extended family in Fresno area

Hope all are OK...I need to make some phone calls!

[Chipper Chat]

39. Trump will be all over this.

I'm sure his ears perked up at 'allah akbar'

[Brother Buzz]

46. ShotSpotter technology was employed

ShotSpotter technology was explained to me a few years ago and I dismissed it as SCI FI

[HoneyBadger]

88. I have seen the results in person

Watched one kid shoot at another across the street from mom as we were walking to the parked car. Had my child with me. Within 1 minute, there were a half dozen police cars there. Too slow to catch the kid on the spot though. He shot and ran.

[global1]

115. Does Anyone Know If This Technology Is Used In Chicago?.....

Could be helpful if available there.

[Brother Buzz]

125. Yes, and it looks like they just installed it this year

Chicago police announce expanded technology to curb shootings

27 January, 2017

Mayor Rahm Emanuel and Chicago Police Department commanders on Friday touted advances in technology that could help officers pinpoint gunfire instantly, part of their newest efforts to combat gun violence plaguing the city.

Putting a new spin on gunshot detection technology police have used on and off for years, 150 cellphones will be distributed to officers in the Englewood and Harrison districts equipped with apps that deliver shooting and incident information in real time. Police also announced the expansion of the ShotSpotter system and predictive data methods in the Englewood and Harrison districts, two of the city's highest crime areas.

ShotSpotter now covers all portions of the Englewood and Harrison districts — 13.5 square miles, city officials said. Police also expanded the footprint of the Police Observation Device cameras by 25 percent to try to work better with ShotSpotter.

<more>


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-police-shotspotter-technology-met-20170127-story.html

[global1]

126. That's Good News - Hope It Helps......nt

[Nanjeanne]

49. And yet white right wing terrorists again unnoticed by media

Austin TX

A confidential source told the FBI that Steven Thomas Boehle, 50, is a right-wing extremist who had planned the attack, according to the affidavit. The six-page filing does not give many specifics about the alleged plot, but does reveal that on April 12 Austin police seized three guns and about 1,100 rounds of ammunition from a North Austin residence where Boehle had been staying.

The document says the source told authorities Boehle “exhibits sovereign citizen extremism ideology.”

http://www.statesman.com/news/crime--law/fbi-says-austin-man-plotting-mass-shooting-arrested-weapons-charges/Js7cJF0eilpUKpmbc4wIeM/

This one is an anti-government white guy who broke in and stole 16 assault weapons and mailed a 160 page manifesto to Trump.

"When you look at his document that he wrote, it's really a long list of injustices he believes the government and society and the upper class have put forward onto the rest of the citizens, so there's really nothing specific where he's saying, 'I was wronged in this way' or 'I was wronged in that way,'" Spoden said. "It's just an overview that he feels that government and law enforcement, in particular, are acting as terrorists and enslaving the people and creating this environment that he finds unacceptable."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/manhunt-underway-gun-store-robbery-suspect-manifesto-trump/story?id=46662668

Wonder what would happen if these guys were brown skinned and called Abdullah.

[hack89]

58. Are you shitting me?

a simple Google search would show you how wrong you are.

[Nanjeanne]

63. I've no idea what you are talking about. Google what? Are you telling me that these

Stories about white terrorist plots have been well reported on national news? Cause I don't see much discussion about either.

But I guess you must have heard a lot about them so I apologize for giving you agita.

[TexasTowelie]

87. To be fair,

at least I posted about the Austin man in the Texas Group last night.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/107834728

[Nanjeanne]

108. Yes I know locally it's being discussed. My point is on a national level

If the skin were dark and the name Abdullah the national press would be all over it.

But no worries.

[Warren DeMontague]

66. Ugh.

[jcmaine72]

80. We have a mental health crisis in this nation.

[HoneyBadger]

83. Between this and the Berkley protest, California needs to calm down

[randome]

118. This is a depressing thread for 2 reasons.

1. It's more about NRA versus gun control.
2. I can't find any updates about the event itself.

#2 is especially worrying. Are we so inured to mass shootings that we really don't care about the outcome?

You'd think this would be topic #1 on LBN but the last update there was at 12:34 this morning. There was something about it on TPM yesterday but now even it's clear of any mention.

Does this say something about us?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[Amishman]

120. Now that more info is out, the motivations of the attacker raise questions uncomfortable to some

The attacker was an AA Muslim who targeted and shot white men out of racial hatred.

This touches on racism, Islam, terrorism, and gun laws in ways that threatens to inject nuances into what some here feel are binary issues.

Better to curse out the NRA than explore gray areas of our beliefs.

[Lurks Often]

127. Yes, the shooting does not fit into DU's accepted narrative,

so there are fewer posts. If this had been a white male shooting minorities while shouting racial slurs or yelling white power, the thread would have gone on for at least a week and had a couple of hundred posts.

Here is an example: https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028861876

580 posts starting March 28th with the last post on April 14th and that by all accounts was a legitimate case of self defense during a home invasion, but since the shooter was a white male using an AR-15, DU decided to be outraged.

[MicaelS]

128. Exactly.

Can't blame the person. Therefore the evil gun and the evil NRA are at fault.