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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,388 posts)
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 01:11 PM Apr 2017

There's a plan in Congress to start charging troops for their GI Bill benefits

WASHINGTON — A congressional proposal to make service members buy into their Post-9/11 GI Bill benefits surprised veterans groups on Tuesday, with advocates divided over whether it amounts to a long-term fix for the benefit or an unfair bill for veterans.

“This new tax on troops is absurd,” said Veterans of Foreign Wars National Commander Brian Duffy in a statement. “Ensuring veterans are able to successfully transition back to civilian life after military service is a cost of war, and not a fee that Congress can just pass along to our troops.

“Congress must stop nickeling and diming America’s service members and veterans.”


The plan — draft legislation from House Veterans Affairs Committee Chairman Phil Roe, R-Tenn. — would deduct $2,400 from future service members’ paychecks to establish eligibility for revamped post-military education benefits. This was first reported Tuesday by Task & Purpose.

http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/gi-bill-benefits-new-fees-future-enlistees-house-lawmakers

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There's a plan in Congress to start charging troops for their GI Bill benefits (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2017 OP
Repeat after me Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #1
Yes, because it's not like aquamarina Apr 2017 #2
And that's just the start of it. tazkcmo Apr 2017 #7
This is beyond comprehension. Frustratedlady Apr 2017 #3
K&R ismnotwasm Apr 2017 #4
Excellent. tazkcmo Apr 2017 #5
Next, the GOP will charge them for their bullets, grenades, clothing, etc. nt NCjack Apr 2017 #6
WTF denbot Apr 2017 #8
When I was discharged from the USAF in 1969, MineralMan Apr 2017 #9
Talk about the return to the Ford era...I remember VEEP - which replaced the original G.I Bill. haele Apr 2017 #10
Are Christians who sport their Bibles with their flags okay with this? CrispyQ Apr 2017 #11
if someone wanted to turn the military against them... Javaman Apr 2017 #12
Republicans drop their pants and show their assholes once again Angry Dragon Apr 2017 #13
Fuck these assholes. octoberlib Apr 2017 #14
Phil Roe has got to go. Chiyo-chichi Apr 2017 #15
That's how it used to be before the current post 9/11 GI Bill Lee-Lee Apr 2017 #16
 

aquamarina

(1,865 posts)
2. Yes, because it's not like
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 01:20 PM
Apr 2017

getting shot at or blown up or worse for months or years is enough of a sacrifice.



Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
3. This is beyond comprehension.
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 01:28 PM
Apr 2017

I've always heard that Repub brains were wired differently, but now, I'm wondering if they even have brains. Women, children and the military...all groups they love to pick on.

The military is saving their behinds and this is how they repay them? 2018 can't come soon enough! Idiots.

tazkcmo

(7,304 posts)
5. Excellent.
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 01:35 PM
Apr 2017

The continual cheapening of our veteran's sacrifice to our nation by the GOPee is a symptom of a terrible condition: Soullessness. Women, minorities, immigrants, the impoverished, veterans and all the before mentioned's children are not simply abandoned or ignored by these hollow bastards but worse, they are actively, purposefully and with extreme malice targeted by them.

I respond with "Excellent." because the armed forces block of our voting citizenry will now join the rest of the GOPee's recent victims and make 2018's potential for Democratic victories even greater. So, keep it coming you scum sucking blowhards in the GOPee. You're our best recruiting tool outside of Herr Twittler von Shit Gibbon.

Excellent. Bastards.

denbot

(9,901 posts)
8. WTF
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 01:47 PM
Apr 2017

I'll give the GOP credit. This isn't as bad as when republicans clawed back reenlistment bonuses due to death or injury in a fucking war zone.

Fuck everyone of those chicken hawks.

MineralMan

(146,345 posts)
9. When I was discharged from the USAF in 1969,
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 01:57 PM
Apr 2017

I was an E-4. My monthly paycheck was $256. A year later, I went back to school on the GI Bill. Every month, I got a check for $256, which, at the time, actually covered all the fees for the state college I attended and some other expenses. I had another $100 per month from my parents, who were so glad to see me back in school that they offered that without my even asking. Between the two amounts, I could actually pay my share of the rent on a tiny house, buy food, and even indulge myself once in a while, while still paying for school. Books were another matter, but I generally bought old editions of texts at the local used book store and filled in the rest from lectures. Other books I needed, I just got from the University library.

What is shocking to me is how much it costs to attend even a state college today. Less than 50 years ago, a GI bill check and a little more let you attend a state college without having to work part time. Getting by on that wasn't easy, but it was absolutely possible.

We need to return to subsidized public colleges. We sure as hell shouldn't be withholding money from military paychecks to cover the GI Bill. That defeats the entire point of having the GI Bill. Screw Republicans!

haele

(12,688 posts)
10. Talk about the return to the Ford era...I remember VEEP - which replaced the original G.I Bill.
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 02:06 PM
Apr 2017

That was a massive failure - especially since the military was looking for ways of getting rid of career-minded personnel at the end of the 70's, they ended up scrapping it after 15 years of constant complaints as soldiers and sailors couldn't "set aside the minimum" each paycheck (started at $250 a month for E-3 and above in 1978 when it was first offered to me, if I remember) and still pay bills.
Because once you started VEEP, you couldn't just stop paying if you had an emergency bill, or wanted to buy a plane ticket to go back home over the holidays; you had to pay every month, or you had to drop out of the program and that money would just sit there until you went to school or 5 years went by and (after you requested it) you got a check with exactly what you had put in along with the tax bill.
It was supposed to be a 401K type product - when you used the money for education - but if you didn't use it for education, it was a holding account that accrued no interest and any "matching funds" you may have been eligible went back to Uncle Sam.
And even worse, if you were in the VEEP program, you had to use the money within 5 years of the last payment. I think they found that only 10% of people who signed up for VEEP actually were able to get an education off it...

VEEP sucked for the lower enlisted especially if they had families or wanted to get a car.
In 1978, I was getting $480 a paycheck after taxes while I was going to my "A" and "C" schools - 24 months of schooling, total.
True, I lived on base and could eat at the chow hall for breakfast and dinner during the week, but I still had to pay for uniforms, off-base clothing, lunches during class, base hobby costs (they had a ceramics, general arts, and wood/model shop as well as the on-base theatre and a decent Exchange/PX), and for transportation off base when I wanted a break from the sand and grey environment of the base.
Once I got to my first command, I had to live off-ship as an E-4/E-5 or frankly, I'd have gone crazy.
Again, there was no way I could set aside $250 each month.

And then in the 1990's we got the Montgomery G.I. Bill - for those who hadn't been stupid enough to sign up for VEEP. It still had some problems - as in your educational options were restricted, and you have only 10 years after leaving the military to use it (which can be difficult in a bad job market), but it was way better than VEEP.

What they're suggesting sounds sadly similar to the scheme that failed before.
And they probably think they're going to use whatever money they will pull from the personnel who are "saving up" for other VA programs while they're promising that money is going to be there when the poor schmuck wants to start college.

Haele


CrispyQ

(36,552 posts)
11. Are Christians who sport their Bibles with their flags okay with this?
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 02:43 PM
Apr 2017

At what point can we dispel the myth that the republican party is the party of God? Why don't the dems take on this false narrative? The GOP wants to take away Meals-On-Wheels. The GOP begrudges paying for hot lunches for children who live in poverty. The GOP wants to make veterans pay for their own insurance. I'm so sick of the hypocrisy & that no one ever calls them out on this bullshit.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
16. That's how it used to be before the current post 9/11 GI Bill
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 03:23 PM
Apr 2017

I remember in reception for Basic Training all the active duty Soldiers had to choose if they wanted to pay $100 a month for 12 months to be eligible for the GI bill. Everyone there was really pushing them to make sure they did even if they didn't think they would use it since it was available for a lifetime or a lot of years after they left the service.


As a Resrvist I didn't have to pay anything in, but my GI Bill benefits were much lower. If memory serves I got about $96 a month from the Reserve GI Bill.

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