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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThere's a plan in Congress to start charging troops for their GI Bill benefits
WASHINGTON A congressional proposal to make service members buy into their Post-9/11 GI Bill benefits surprised veterans groups on Tuesday, with advocates divided over whether it amounts to a long-term fix for the benefit or an unfair bill for veterans.
This new tax on troops is absurd, said Veterans of Foreign Wars National Commander Brian Duffy in a statement. Ensuring veterans are able to successfully transition back to civilian life after military service is a cost of war, and not a fee that Congress can just pass along to our troops.
Congress must stop nickeling and diming Americas service members and veterans.
The plan draft legislation from House Veterans Affairs Committee Chairman Phil Roe, R-Tenn. would deduct $2,400 from future service members paychecks to establish eligibility for revamped post-military education benefits. This was first reported Tuesday by Task & Purpose.
http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/gi-bill-benefits-new-fees-future-enlistees-house-lawmakers
Eliot Rosewater
(31,131 posts)the GOP does not now nor have they since IKE given a shit about our military personnel.
aquamarina
(1,865 posts)getting shot at or blown up or worse for months or years is enough of a sacrifice.
tazkcmo
(7,304 posts)Seriously. Think of the military children. I'm shaking.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)I've always heard that Repub brains were wired differently, but now, I'm wondering if they even have brains. Women, children and the military...all groups they love to pick on.
The military is saving their behinds and this is how they repay them? 2018 can't come soon enough! Idiots.
ismnotwasm
(42,022 posts)tazkcmo
(7,304 posts)The continual cheapening of our veteran's sacrifice to our nation by the GOPee is a symptom of a terrible condition: Soullessness. Women, minorities, immigrants, the impoverished, veterans and all the before mentioned's children are not simply abandoned or ignored by these hollow bastards but worse, they are actively, purposefully and with extreme malice targeted by them.
I respond with "Excellent." because the armed forces block of our voting citizenry will now join the rest of the GOPee's recent victims and make 2018's potential for Democratic victories even greater. So, keep it coming you scum sucking blowhards in the GOPee. You're our best recruiting tool outside of Herr Twittler von Shit Gibbon.
Excellent. Bastards.
NCjack
(10,279 posts)denbot
(9,901 posts)I'll give the GOP credit. This isn't as bad as when republicans clawed back reenlistment bonuses due to death or injury in a fucking war zone.
Fuck everyone of those chicken hawks.
MineralMan
(146,345 posts)I was an E-4. My monthly paycheck was $256. A year later, I went back to school on the GI Bill. Every month, I got a check for $256, which, at the time, actually covered all the fees for the state college I attended and some other expenses. I had another $100 per month from my parents, who were so glad to see me back in school that they offered that without my even asking. Between the two amounts, I could actually pay my share of the rent on a tiny house, buy food, and even indulge myself once in a while, while still paying for school. Books were another matter, but I generally bought old editions of texts at the local used book store and filled in the rest from lectures. Other books I needed, I just got from the University library.
What is shocking to me is how much it costs to attend even a state college today. Less than 50 years ago, a GI bill check and a little more let you attend a state college without having to work part time. Getting by on that wasn't easy, but it was absolutely possible.
We need to return to subsidized public colleges. We sure as hell shouldn't be withholding money from military paychecks to cover the GI Bill. That defeats the entire point of having the GI Bill. Screw Republicans!
haele
(12,688 posts)That was a massive failure - especially since the military was looking for ways of getting rid of career-minded personnel at the end of the 70's, they ended up scrapping it after 15 years of constant complaints as soldiers and sailors couldn't "set aside the minimum" each paycheck (started at $250 a month for E-3 and above in 1978 when it was first offered to me, if I remember) and still pay bills.
Because once you started VEEP, you couldn't just stop paying if you had an emergency bill, or wanted to buy a plane ticket to go back home over the holidays; you had to pay every month, or you had to drop out of the program and that money would just sit there until you went to school or 5 years went by and (after you requested it) you got a check with exactly what you had put in along with the tax bill.
It was supposed to be a 401K type product - when you used the money for education - but if you didn't use it for education, it was a holding account that accrued no interest and any "matching funds" you may have been eligible went back to Uncle Sam.
And even worse, if you were in the VEEP program, you had to use the money within 5 years of the last payment. I think they found that only 10% of people who signed up for VEEP actually were able to get an education off it...
VEEP sucked for the lower enlisted especially if they had families or wanted to get a car.
In 1978, I was getting $480 a paycheck after taxes while I was going to my "A" and "C" schools - 24 months of schooling, total.
True, I lived on base and could eat at the chow hall for breakfast and dinner during the week, but I still had to pay for uniforms, off-base clothing, lunches during class, base hobby costs (they had a ceramics, general arts, and wood/model shop as well as the on-base theatre and a decent Exchange/PX), and for transportation off base when I wanted a break from the sand and grey environment of the base.
Once I got to my first command, I had to live off-ship as an E-4/E-5 or frankly, I'd have gone crazy.
Again, there was no way I could set aside $250 each month.
And then in the 1990's we got the Montgomery G.I. Bill - for those who hadn't been stupid enough to sign up for VEEP. It still had some problems - as in your educational options were restricted, and you have only 10 years after leaving the military to use it (which can be difficult in a bad job market), but it was way better than VEEP.
What they're suggesting sounds sadly similar to the scheme that failed before.
And they probably think they're going to use whatever money they will pull from the personnel who are "saving up" for other VA programs while they're promising that money is going to be there when the poor schmuck wants to start college.
Haele
CrispyQ
(36,552 posts)At what point can we dispel the myth that the republican party is the party of God? Why don't the dems take on this false narrative? The GOP wants to take away Meals-On-Wheels. The GOP begrudges paying for hot lunches for children who live in poverty. The GOP wants to make veterans pay for their own insurance. I'm so sick of the hypocrisy & that no one ever calls them out on this bullshit.
Javaman
(62,534 posts)this is the way to do it.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Chiyo-chichi
(3,591 posts)I know his district is solidly Republican, but this is so egregious.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)I remember in reception for Basic Training all the active duty Soldiers had to choose if they wanted to pay $100 a month for 12 months to be eligible for the GI bill. Everyone there was really pushing them to make sure they did even if they didn't think they would use it since it was available for a lifetime or a lot of years after they left the service.
As a Resrvist I didn't have to pay anything in, but my GI Bill benefits were much lower. If memory serves I got about $96 a month from the Reserve GI Bill.