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Sat Apr 22, 2017, 05:11 PM

2 gas workers shot and killed by man who was angry over electric bill

I swear, it seems like society is coming apart sometimes. Shooting and killing two gas company workers and then yourself because you were angry over a power bill? Just doesn't make any damn sense. And the killer was a felon, so he was already banned from owning guns.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/laclede-gas-shooting-victims-were-outdoorsman-family-man-killer-had/article_b56eac4d-cbc6-5a7f-9214-e63d5ab6c337.html
ST. LOUIS ē How much of a role outrage over an electric bill played in a lone gunmanís decision to take the lives of two utility workers and his own may never be known, but a day later it was the only clue as to what set Clinton Willis off on Thursday.

The victims were identified Friday as Alex Boschert, 27, of St. Charles County and William Froelich, 52, of Jefferson County. Boschert was remembered as an outdoorsman and Froelich as a family man. Both men were white and their killer black, but police said they ruled out race as a motive based on a background investigation and interviews with Willisí family and friends.

Willis, 51, did not have a history of mental issues but did have a criminal history dating to the 1990s.

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Response to Calculating (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 05:12 PM

1. Guns

Emotional outrage is turned deadly because they are too damn many guns.

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Response to Calculating (Original post)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 05:15 PM

2. People Control, Not Gun Control


This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70ís, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that werenít secured are out of control in our society. As such, hereís what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. Iím not debating the legal language, I just think itís the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because itís clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learnerís license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driverís license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

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Response to Sancho (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 05:32 PM

3. These are so eminently sensible that there's

almost no chance they'll happen.

And yeah, there are all sorts of restrictions on driving a car or practicing as a doctor. Guns is the only thing that too many people demand be totally unfettered.

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Response to Sancho (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 05:40 PM

4. I wish all gun owners could see your list.

Common sense.

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Response to Sancho (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 22, 2017, 07:03 PM

5. There was a time when the NRA would of went along with most of this.

Once they found out that there was a lot more dough in being lobbyist for gun manufacturing and shills for the Republican they became crazy. Back in the thirties they were for gun licensing and stayed very much gun safety oriented right through the fifties. i to grew up with shooting sports and have nothing against them I just found more interesting things to do. As far as self defense goes I think a handgun is useless. I think of people carrying one as Walter Mitty types, living in a TV fantasy whre they become killer heros, but nearly all of them are pretty harmless.

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