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flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 09:14 PM Apr 2017

Rifts Over Abortion and Economic Populism Threaten to Divide Democrats

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/04/bernie-sanders-jon-ossoff-abortion-progressive-heath-mello/523770/

Democrats are facing their first high-profile tests of whether the party can win back seats in Congress in the Trump era. But rather than unifying in opposition to the new administration, the political left is riven by division over what it means to be progressive.

The same debates that divided Democrats throughout the 2016 presidential primary—over how and when to prioritize economic populism and reproductive rights—threaten to make it more difficult for Democrats to rally around the very candidates who could help the party make inroads in conservative parts of the country. Controversy over those questions illustrates the challenge Democrats face as they decide which candidates to support, and what transgressions from liberal convictions to let slide, as the party tries to rebuild after being shut out of power in the White House and Congress.
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Ahead of an event on Thursday where Bernie Sanders, the independent Vermont senator who remains the left’s most popular figure, was slated to appear with Representative Keith Ellison, the Democratic National Committee’s deputy chair, and Heath Mello, an Omaha, Nebraska Democratic mayoral candidate, NARAL Pro-Choice America, an organization that endorsed Hillary Clinton in the presidential primary, harshly criticized the DNC for what it called the party’s “embrace” of “an anti-choice candidate.”

The statement followed a report in The Wall Street Journal that Mello once supported legislation “requiring women to look at ultrasound image of their fetus before receiving an abortion.” The liberal website Daily Kos withdrew its endorsement of Mello over the report.

On Thursday, Mello told The Huffington Post, however, that he “would never do anything to restrict access to reproductive health care,” if elected. Jane Kleeb, the chair of the Nebraska Democratic Party and board member of Our Revolution, a group that emerged out of the embers of the Sanders campaign, said in an interview that The Wall Street Journal and NARAL had “mischaracterized” Mello’s legislative record.

“Heath is a strong progressive Democrat, and he is pro-life, and you can be both things,” Kleeb said, adding: “What Heath did actually was stop a bill to make ultrasounds mandatory by getting Republicans in our legislature to agree to make them voluntary.”

Mello’s vow did not satisfy NARAL, however. “It’s not enough to issue a statement for political expediency when your record is full of anti-choice votes,” Ilyse Hogue, the organization’s president, said in a follow-up statement. “The Democratic Party’s support of any candidate who does not support the basic rights and freedoms of women is disappointing and politically stupid.”
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Rifts Over Abortion and Economic Populism Threaten to Divide Democrats (Original Post) flamingdem Apr 2017 OP
NARAL is being dishonest in its framing of Mello. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #1
Exactly, that's why I posted this - people here are sliming him flamingdem Apr 2017 #2
Agreed. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #29
He voted numerous times to restrict abortion. No Democratic leader should endorse him. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #32
"Mello is on record as saying that he would not restrict access to abortion." musette_sf Apr 2017 #41
And there are other Democrats who feel and vote similarly. eom guillaumeb Apr 2017 #42
Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #3
Really? Let's see some video that shows how selfish and nasty flamingdem Apr 2017 #4
Yes, Tom Perez was Booed and BS did nothing to Cha Apr 2017 #19
Well Cha due to your proven wisdom I will remain open minded flamingdem Apr 2017 #21
And we have a lot of people here busy widening that rift. QC Apr 2017 #5
Yes indeed flamingdem Apr 2017 #6
Yes, as a matter of fact. QC Apr 2017 #7
Love to see those flamingdem Apr 2017 #8
I think they're beautiful. Ireland is a phenomenal place, QC Apr 2017 #9
I just found out that I have some Irish DNA flamingdem Apr 2017 #10
They had to work at reviving the culture, after all those years QC Apr 2017 #11
Yes, and in Cornwall they were celebrating having been designated flamingdem Apr 2017 #12
The same thing is happening in Brittany, where the people are QC Apr 2017 #13
Thanks for that! My father always wanted to go there flamingdem Apr 2017 #15
The French navy's pipe band is from Brittany--here they are -- QC Apr 2017 #17
That's great! Very different from the Scottish sound flamingdem Apr 2017 #20
I got to see all of them. They're magnificent. Hekate Apr 2017 #22
They really are. n/t QC Apr 2017 #23
iontach flamingdem Apr 2017 #30
Acting exactly how the Dem leadership *don't* want us to act. Ruining DU in the process. JudyM Apr 2017 #24
Yep. It's enough to make one wonder what their purpose is. n/t QC Apr 2017 #25
We can walk & chew gum at the same time, always have, always will UTUSN Apr 2017 #14
Yes, and it takes that to win flamingdem Apr 2017 #16
After a lifetime of crushing losses & precious few wins, I'd like to go out with a win... UTUSN Apr 2017 #18
*nope* LaydeeBug Apr 2017 #26
Well get the red out Apr 2017 #27
The part of Sanders' explanation that has been overlooked JudyM Apr 2017 #28
Yes, and he didn't diss Ossoff flamingdem Apr 2017 #31
sure.... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #34
Ossoff was fine with Bernie flamingdem Apr 2017 #38
Why would I need to do that? My opinion is that a mayor's race is not Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #39
It is a mayor's race. I wondered why Sander went there...way more important races. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #33
Did he endorse the country dog-catcher while he was there? Orrex Apr 2017 #35
Maybe...who the heck knows. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #36
I was being unfairly snarky Orrex Apr 2017 #37
That is OK...I have been getting much worse responses...have a nice day. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #40

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
1. NARAL is being dishonest in its framing of Mello.
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 09:17 PM
Apr 2017

Mello is on record as saying that he would not restrict access to abortion.

Will NARAL also campaign against Joe Manchin, another Democrat who supports restrictions on abortion?

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
2. Exactly, that's why I posted this - people here are sliming him
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 09:21 PM
Apr 2017

without knowing his history. Where is the logic?

It's more of the same, anger over the primaries.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
29. Agreed.
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 11:39 AM
Apr 2017

People at DU will defend Joe Manchin, who has a position on abortion even more right of Mello, but because Sanders endorses Mello the taint of being endorsed by an Independent apparently makes Mello unacceptable.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
32. He voted numerous times to restrict abortion. No Democratic leader should endorse him.
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 12:34 PM
Apr 2017

I have linked the quote below...you can click on certain word and be taken to the NE voting records on each issue...

"Mello is a sponsor of the final version of a 20-week abortion ban approved by the governor in 2010, and cast anti-choice votes in favor of requiring physicians to be physically present for an abortion in order to impede access to telemedicine abortion care, and a law banning insurance plans in the state from covering abortions. He was endorsed in 2010 by anti-choice group Nebraska Right to Life."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/omaha-mayoral-candidate-under-fire-says-he-would-never-do-anything-to-restrict-access-to-reproductive-health-care_us_58f8e868e4b018a9ce590a84

musette_sf

(10,200 posts)
41. "Mello is on record as saying that he would not restrict access to abortion."
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 01:46 PM
Apr 2017

O RLY???? Here's gestational slaver Mello's voting record:

LB 1103 Prohibiting Abortions After 20 Weeks of Pregnancy Bill Passed - Senate (44 - 5) Yea

LB 594 Abortion Screening Requirements Bill Passed - Senate (40 - 9) Yea

LB 22 Prohibits Insurance Coverage of Abortion Bill Passed - Senate (37 - 7) Yea

LB 521 Requires Physician Presence During Abortions Bill Passed - Senate (38 - 9) Yea

LB 675 Establishes Procedures for Ultrasounds Performed Prior to Abortions Bill Passed - Senate (40 - 5) Yea

Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Cha

(297,188 posts)
19. Yes, Tom Perez was Booed and BS did nothing to
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 10:32 PM
Apr 2017

defend him. I saw a tweet on Al Giordano's Twitter feed from the gop account where they had the vid and were mocking "the unity".

And, from Symome Sanders:.. "In retrospect, she said, Maybe Bernie Sanders isnt the guy for the unity tour."

Why Bernie Sanders’s Unity Tour Failed

snip//

The independent senator hit the road with Democratic national chairman Tom Perez—and highlighted everything that's tearing the party apart.

https://newrepublic.com/article/142152/bernie-sanderss-unity-tour-failed

The next Unity Tour.. Send People on it who Want to Unify!

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
21. Well Cha due to your proven wisdom I will remain open minded
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 10:37 PM
Apr 2017

Thus I will read up on this and try to figure out what happened.

There are a lot of people who want the dems to fail in general so they might be slanting things. What I'm imagining is a bunch of rowdies that didn't deserve this much attention.

QC

(26,371 posts)
7. Yes, as a matter of fact.
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 09:34 PM
Apr 2017

I took them summer before last when visiting. One if from Sligo, the two close together are in Monasterboice, and the other is in Glendalough.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
8. Love to see those
Reply to QC (Reply #7)
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 09:39 PM
Apr 2017

roots and all that. I had lots of photos of them from a trip to Cornwall and a friend saw them and said oh creepy! Very disappointing to hear that attitude but it's embedded in our mostly Christian culture.

QC

(26,371 posts)
9. I think they're beautiful. Ireland is a phenomenal place,
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 09:40 PM
Apr 2017

so stunningly beautiful and so full of warm and welcoming people.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
10. I just found out that I have some Irish DNA
Reply to QC (Reply #9)
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 09:42 PM
Apr 2017

so that's intriguing. Will have to make the trip. Interesting that they've kept their language more than the Cornish, and I suspect much more of the Celtic culture.

QC

(26,371 posts)
11. They had to work at reviving the culture, after all those years
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 09:48 PM
Apr 2017

of colonialism. People like W.B. Yeats (from Sligo--he's the reason I went there) and Padriac Pearse and many others worked to revive the language and culture, and closer to our own day groups like the Chieftains revived traditional Irish music. The English really did try to wipe out the whole culture, and they failed, thank God.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
12. Yes, and in Cornwall they were celebrating having been designated
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 09:59 PM
Apr 2017

a minority meaning that they will have funding for language revival. More than anything it seemed to be about finally admitting that the Cornish are not simply Brits in Cornwall. They always knew they were from what I heard "different" in a good way.

QC

(26,371 posts)
13. The same thing is happening in Brittany, where the people are
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 10:03 PM
Apr 2017

descendants of Cornish people. They are bringing back their own language (there are bilingual signs everywhere). That's another beautiful place--you should go there if you get a chance.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
15. Thanks for that! My father always wanted to go there
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 10:12 PM
Apr 2017

I had no idea this was going on, wonder if he is aware. Maybe it will feel
very familiar there - but with French influenced food.

My father is into the music, the harpists.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
20. That's great! Very different from the Scottish sound
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 10:33 PM
Apr 2017

I found this searching for Cornwall and Brittany to learn about the connections -

From yesterday - didn't know about Brian of Brittany


Cornish culture under threat, says Grand Bard

Saturday, 22 April 2017 By Cornish Times in Local People

’Launceston has a proud place in Cornwall’s story. It is the historic capital of Cornwall and the castle was built by Brian of Brittany, the Breton knight who became the first Earl of Cornwall following the Norman Conquest.

’The creation of this earldom recognised Cornwall’s historic integrity and laid the foundations for the constitutional differences that make modern Cornwall distinct from England.’

With these spirited words Merv Davey, Telynyor an Weryn, Grand Bard of Cornwall, began his Proclamation speech on behalf of the bards of Gorsedh Kernow who had gathered in the town Square today.

’Today it is our culture and heritage which is under threat,’ said the Grand Bard, ’and despite a potential climbdown on the much-maligned Devonwall issue there are still forces at large today that would deny us our Celtic, global identity and demote Cornwall to a provincial existence on the periphery of a so-called south west region.’

Criticising the lack of TV and radio coverage of recent St Piran’s Day celebrations, the Grand Bard warned against indifference and negative stereotyping by the media which sometimes led to expressions of intolerance and racism towards Cornish people.

UTUSN

(70,686 posts)
18. After a lifetime of crushing losses & precious few wins, I'd like to go out with a win...
Sun Apr 23, 2017, 10:30 PM
Apr 2017

And, haha, your "We want to win, right?"

reminds me of the FEY-POEHLER sketch after the '08, where FEY/Grifter tells POEHLER/Hillary, "You've gotta want to win" and POEHLER says ruefully/bitterly, "Oh, like I don't *want* it!1"

get the red out

(13,462 posts)
27. Well
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 10:38 AM
Apr 2017

It all depends on his votes and what they meant in the context of the legislation. I don't care one bit about someone's personal beliefs, just what they will DO to uphold reproductive rights.

JudyM

(29,236 posts)
28. The part of Sanders' explanation that has been overlooked
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 10:39 AM
Apr 2017
“If you have a rally in which you have the labor movement, and the environmentalists, and Native Americans, and the African American community, and the Latino community coming together, saying, ‘We want this guy to become our next mayor,’ should I reject going there to Omaha? I don’t think so.”

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
31. Yes, and he didn't diss Ossoff
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 12:32 PM
Apr 2017

He endorsed him and held back from calling him a progressive in a red, red area.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
38. Ossoff was fine with Bernie
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 12:58 PM
Apr 2017

Can you site any reporting where he or any of his supporter or staff are unhappy with Bernie?

Oh I thought not..

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
39. Why would I need to do that? My opinion is that a mayor's race is not
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 01:24 PM
Apr 2017

important enough for all this fuss over a anti-choice candidate who voted numerous times against choice...but the mystery is solved. Jane Kleeb is the Democratic chair in Nebraska...and on the board of Our Revolution.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
33. It is a mayor's race. I wondered why Sander went there...way more important races.
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 12:38 PM
Apr 2017

But then I saw that Jane from our revolution is the top Democrat.

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
36. Maybe...who the heck knows.
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 12:56 PM
Apr 2017

Agreed, a mayors race seems not a good pick for time and money, but one of the our revolution supporters, Jane Kleeb is the chair of the Democrats in Nebraska

Orrex

(63,208 posts)
37. I was being unfairly snarky
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 12:58 PM
Apr 2017

I read your post but missed the message body until after you'd replied to me.


Whoops.

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