Why tRump Bashing is So Disatisfying

[ProudLib72]

This is a follow up to my Easter Egg role senility thread, where I concluded that no one would have behaved the way tRump did unless they had dementia. Since then, we have had the AP interview that is further proof of his mental condition.

He has dementia and a personality disorder, and he isn't coming back to reality...ever. He sees the world in binary: my team against the bad guys. There is no compromise, no bipartisanship. Either you are on board with "his" program, or you are one of the bad guys standing in his way. When I write "his" program, I mean the agenda laid out and dictated to him by his advisors. By no means does he have a single independent idea. These same advisors constantly reassure him that he is in the right, that whatever fresh hell he is signing his name to is in the best interests of the American people.

Let me come straight out and state it simply: Donald Trump believes with every fiber of his being that he is doing good by our country.

That is why we get so frustrated when he doesn't comprehend that Americans hate his guts. In his head, he is the best president ever and everyone loves what he is accomplishing. We feel like we are talking to a brick wall. We are not. We ARE talking to a mental patient.

[JustAnotherGen]

1. I thought it was because

He is getting graded on a curve.

[ProudLib72]

3. Forget a bell curve

More like an asymptotic curve tending toward infinity as it nears zero.

[FiveGoodMen]

2. "Donald Trump believes with every fiber of his being that he is doing good by our country."

Good for him, you mean.

Don't think he'd recognize the US if it hit him with a stick.

[ProudLib72]

5. Hitting him with a stick wouldn't do any good

I don't think he can distinguish a difference between "good for him" and "good for the country". I honestly think that he is that far gone. Some might call what I'm saying an apology for the worst president in the history of mankind, but that is not my intention here. Rather, I want to stress that focusing on tRump himself is the wrong direction to take because it makes absolutely no difference. He is locked behind an impenetrable barrier of mental decrepitude.

[FiveGoodMen]

6. What worries me most is that even without Trump, we've got the deplorable GOP politicians like Ryan

who are also trying to take everything away from everyone but themselves.

AND we've got a nation half-full of "people" who support what Trump, Ryan, and the rest are doing.

If Trump had a heart attack tomorrow, we still wouldn't be saved by any means.

[RhodeIslandOne]

4. It's unsatisfying because it doesn't matter

The Republican party has made it clear he will not be removed.

[loyalsister]

7. I wishit was the ableism that made people uncomfortable

The effort to conjur a negative image of people with mental, illnesses "we ARE talking to a mental patient" is offensive.

No doubt, he has a narcissistic demeanor. His apparent lack of intellectual interest in his job, self absorbtion, and strange behaviors are obviously relevant to how he executes his job. But, painting mental illness as something to be feared reinforces the stereotypes and application of those beliefs toward people who have experienced it and just want to survive, or at least lead ordinary lives.


IT HURTS people I have talked to when they read this shit. If you don't care about them, please just admit it in any defense of this cruel rhetoric.

[ProudLib72]

8. You think I'm making fun?

This is not "cruel rhetoric" for the sake of poking fun at those people who have a mental illness. I am simply stating the fact that he has a mental illness from which there is no recovery (dementia). His family and "friends" could care less because it gets them what they want. That should make you more upset than me speaking the truth.

[loyalsister]

9. It's not about making fun

The damagin stereotypes representing mental illness are perpetuated in both news (everytime there's a mass shooting) and entertainment media, as well as what we hear from the most ignorant of bigots. Is the claim that people with mental illnesses should be feared. Is that not the point in furthering this narrative about 45? We should fear his leadership because he has dementia, or mental illness. Why participate in ableism when the point can be made he is intellectually unprepared to be president and he doesn't seem to care. That is something to worry about.
It is not necessary to inspire fear that there is the equivilent of some kind of evil villain out of a psychological thriller in the WH.
People with mental illnesses live their lives knowing that if they mention that part of their lives, they will become a horror movie archetype in the minds of most people. It is indeed cruel for that to not matter.

[ProudLib72]

10. He should be feared

The most powerful world leader has dementia, and that is definitely something to be feared. Dementia and narcissistic personality disorder by themselves are not something to be feared. At this point, I don't know how many dozens of mental health professionals have agreed that this is the proper diagnosis and that something must be done. The way I see it, denial of the diagnosis or wanting to call the diagnosis by terms other than the proper clinical ones is more damaging.

HRC was aware of the stigma attached to mental illness and wanted to have a national discussion on the topic in order to reduce that stigma. Now we have Republicans who do stigmatize mental illness doing whatever is necessary to hide tRump's condition. This stigmatizing, denial, and hiding is something to be feared, not the illness itself.

Think of how many pictures, cartoons, and articles have been written about tRump acting like a child. For instance, two weeks ago there was an article posing as a letter Ivanka wrote to a babysitter. It included instructions on how to deal with Donald. When you see something like this, do you get upset? You should, because they are trivializing mental illness and demonstrating how we should make fun of those who are mentally ill. That's part of the media's scam that we have fallen for. If a person who does not have a mental illness is made fun of, then we can laugh because he or she is simply be called out on bad behavior or a lapse of good judgement. We are doing the same thing to tRump, but he has been diagnosed with mental illness. I said that it was dissatisfying to make fun of tRump because there is an expectation that he will rectify his behavior, but that is simply not possible. The true horror here is that we continue to treat him like he is mentally competent and ignore the obvious fact that he is far from ok.

I want to be completely clear that I am not making fun of tRump or his mental illness. I am stating that we must see his behavior for what it is and call on our leadership to put things right. He needs help. He cannot be in the WH.

[loyalsister]

11. It's NOT about making fun of him

perpetuating sterotypes of disabled people is ableism and it seems the one form of bigotry that is still so okay that even liberals are cheerful participants. Apparently, perpetuating stigma and bigotry when it serves a desired purpose.

[ProudLib72]

12. If no one is allowed to discuss the problem

(and it is a problem when the president has dementia), then there can be no forward movement. I am against the normalization of his behavior. That normalization occurs in a majority of the threads on DU. I get so sick of everyone laughing that "he just doesn't get it", that he has created another word salad, or that he forgot about his wife. These are symptoms of mental illness, and they are being mocked. To me this is the equivalent of tRump making fun of the disabled reporter during his campaign.

[loyalsister]

14. The problem

is people drawing invalid conclusions based on assumptions and distant observations. If that becomes acceptable in this case, why not others? Why shouldn't your employer be able to fire someone based on distant observations without direct evidence?
An I know you are but what am I campaign accusing 45 of having mental illness normalized his ridicule of the disabled reporter. Trading in stereotypes, stigma, and fear- all part of the same ableism that is encouraged here.

[ProudLib72]

15. Experts say one on one is least reliable observation

The claims made in the conference have drawn criticism from some in the psychiatric establishment, who say they violate the American Psychiatric Association’s “Goldwater rule,” which states psychiatrists are not to give professional opinions on people they have not personally examined.

They have also been condemned by Republicans, including Connecticut Republican Party Chairman JR Romano, who accused the group of “throwing ethical standards out the window because they cannot accept the election results.”

Responding to the criticism, Dr Gartner said: “This notion that you need to personally interview someone to form a diagnosis actually doesn’t make a whole lotta sense. For one thing, research shows that the psychiatric interview is the least statistical reliable way to make a diagnosis.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-dangerous-mental-illness-yale-psychiatrist-conference-us-president-unfit-james-gartner-a7694316.html

[loyalsister]

16. That does not validate a practice that can do considerable damage

bbbut experts say means "I'm not responsible for my bigotry."

[JI7]

13. nope. he cut off payment for medical treatment for his dead brothers family

He doesn't give a shit about others. He never have to 9/11 charity.

He had alifetime record of being a piece of shit.