If you are Bernie *anything-ing* right now, you are falling for their tricks.

[LaydeeBug]

Divide and conquer is what they do.

The longer they kept a divided primary, the better.

Now, they just use it as a wedge issue anytime the heat gets turned up on them.

Liberals, multi-faceted over thinkers about *EVERYfuckingthing* fall for this technique almost everytime.

Notice that we have to fight the same propaganda repeatedly? That's not a mistake.

Don't *FALL* for this shit.

It normalizes the coup.

It gaslights people by diverting their attention. It *enables* this shit.

I voted for HRC in the primary, but I would have voted for Bernie in the general, and would still vote for him now, not because I agree with each and every thing, but because I refuse to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Not in times like these. Like Randi Rhodes used to say about Nader: "he's those shoes you just can't afford to buy, because you won't be able to pay your mortgage and you'll lose your house" (paraphrasing).

If something in the greedia has beckoned Choice/Anti-choice to the forefront, TRUST, it is because they do not want the burden of what they fucking did last election. They want this Russian story to go away too.

Oh, and while Bernie has his supporters for SURE (he is a whole bunch of awesome) he also has Russian followers, egging shit on, and we all God-damn well know it. Seriously.

Bernie wants an investigation. Stay woke.

[jimjc]

1. Bernie the divider

Well..yes we are being divided but as you say but say you would vote for Bernie now...well that's dividing the party...The green party ( which is talked little about) is another divider, and as a side note I believe the green party and their 7 million votes they received was the real cause of HRC losing the election plus I'll bet the Repugs had something to do with the green party behind the scenes....

Bernie's saying he isn't a Dem is a problem and he's all the repugs need to stay into office forever! Any idea the Independent party will be a party to rival the repugs in the next 10 years is wishful thinking at best...The Dems and repugs have the power to keep them out of the process for now and the near future..

[bigbrother05]

3. I rest my case nt

[LaydeeBug]

9. *nope* saying I'd vote for an Independent who caucuses with Dems

is NOT dividing my party

[bigbrother05]

2. Notice that they turn up the heat whenever Russia/Collaboration gets any traction

Voted for Bernie in the primary and HRC in the general, same reason, at least 2 working brain cells.

We've heard all the reasons that 1) Bernie/Jill Stein are Satan and swung the election 2) HRC ignored the economic issues that mattered to white males 3) He was too mean 4) She was too crooked ...

In reality, there were many things on the Dem side that could have been done better, but the bald-faced lies and outright treason on the GOP side stole the election.

We can tinker on the edges, but the Democratic party is right on the issues and fights for betterment of all Americans, even rich a-holes like Trump.

[LaydeeBug]

5. yep. And we're all like, "Squirrel!"

In reality, the dems fucking WON, and don't even get me STARTED on Jill Stein (lunch with Flynn and Putin much? They FLAUNTED their connection with her...oh no...on this, we disagree...totally)

But NOTHING negates the espionage and the treason that was committed in order to facilitate this coup.

Blaming Democrats is blaming the victim

*nope*

[CousinIT]

6. THIS. n/t

[ProfessorPlum]

8. excellent post

[L. Coyote]

4. Everyone who fell for these tricks put Trump in the White House.

Stupid has a yuuuuge price.

[CousinIT]

7. AND THIS. n/t

[ProudLib72]

11. Everyone who continues to fall for these tricks

keeps the orange blob in the WH.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

[LaydeeBug]

10. shameless kick because they're at it again. nt

[LostOne4Ever]

12. Quoting for Truth!

[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]I voted for HRC in the primary, but I would have voted for Bernie in the general, and would still vote for him now, not because I agree with each and every thing, but because I refuse to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Not in times like these. Like Randi Rhodes used to say about Nader: "he's those shoes you just can't afford to buy, because you won't be able to pay your mortgage and you'll lose your house" (paraphrasing).

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4]I am the same in the opposite direction. Supported Bernie in the Primary, voted and advocated for Hillary in the General. And I would do it the same way all over again.[/font]

[LaydeeBug]

13. Amen right there...the 'divide and conquer' set is among us. We'll stay woke. nt

[Tom Rinaldo]

14. Of course

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We have seen enough divide and conquer tactics to understand how they work. Not all who play into them do so as their intent but the results are the same. As I've said before on DU, I accept that the Democratic Party is important. Hell I better, because I am the elected Chairperson of our Town's Democratic Committee (the mini min min local level of the DNC if you will), and I'm on the Executive committee of our County Democratic Committee. So yeah I "support the Democratic Party". We are gearing up for the 2017 elections locally now. See that is the big secret around here it seems. The Democratic Party doesn't exist to promote Party unity - it exists to win elections based on broad shared values always translated into platforms that address the specific concerns of the electorate in each contest at whatever level it exists - Federal, State, Regional or Local. When we win we get to hash out among ourselves which policies and positions to prioritize. When we lose we are on the outside looking in.

Continual Bernie sniping is blatantly divisive on such a fundamental level that it is laughable to deny. The man won 45% of the votes in our Democratic primaries for President. He set a national record for receiving the most individual contributions to a presidential race. The winner of those primaries, Hillary Clinton, won more votes than he - but it was by no means a landslide. Even though Hillary Clinton is no longer in elective office as opposed to Bernie Sanders who still caucuses with our Party in the Senate, no one disputes that it would be divisive if forums like this one continue to feature continual sniping at Clinton. I do not engage in it, and I try to show respect toward her on various threads throughout DU.

No one has to like Bernie Sanders who doesn't, or respect all of his opinions if you don't. But no, he is not sowing disunity in a Party he doesn't belong to. Those who are pitting millions of voters (those who liked either Hillary or Bernie as their first choice for the Democratic nomination) against each other by speaking in highly derogatory ways against either Hillary or Bernie, are putting stress on the larger coalition of voting unity that we need to prevail with in elections.

The irony is that the leadership of the Democratic Party fully understands this, hence Senator Sanders was added to our caucus leadership team, and our DNC chairperson immediately prioritized bringing the factions of the Democratic coalition together. That means our voting base, not merely our membership base, because the Democratic Party represents less than a third of all registered voters in America. Independents are the largest voting block in America. Democratic Party leaders understand how important it is to avoid bitter feuds among those who voted for Democrats in the 2017 election. Especially now that we need to mobilize all anti-Trump voters to support our team - whatever differences we might have, in 2018 and 2020. That is the official Democratic Party position as determined by our leadership. Yet some remain hell bent on flying in the face of that Party stance in the name of Democratic Party unity.

Some find some comments Sanders makes unhelpful, some find some comments Sanders makes constructive. They ultimately are his comments and, however prominent he might be, he is one individual. We are the many, and how we treat each other will determine whether the Democratic Party can move forward to victory. The way it is looking now though, there is no wedge issue that we will not eagerly embrace to enable us to argue with each other rather than focus on the Republicans. Who is the beneficiary of that?

[mvd]

15. Great post!

Sometimes I show what I consider reasonable criticism of Hillary or Obama, but I try to focus on Trump here. We do need to be unified for the next election. DU has its purpose. I can go to other boards if something here I want to say would be against their mission. Bernie is not perfect. I realize that. But he's my favorite politician, and I am hoping the Party can be more like him.

[LaydeeBug]

16. two sides of the same coin.

Russia is the problem. The GOPee is the problem. McConnell is the problem. Clinton? Sanders? not so much