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Chiquitita

(752 posts)
Thu Apr 27, 2017, 09:16 AM Apr 2017

Yesterday I met a soldier

Yesterday I met a 30 year old soldier in the Atlanta airport who was stuck there overnight. He asked me for a light. Then he told me he's a Sargent on his 4th deployment who had been in Iraq and is now stationed in Kandahar. He had come back on a very short leave to visit his Dad in Virginia, but missed his connecting flight and was going to have to go back without seeing him. His Dad is in the hospital. He told me he didn't feel sorry for himself because he knows a family from Kandahar, the nicest family you can imagine, he said, who has much greater problems than his. He showed me a tattoo he had on his arm in Sanskrit that he got after his best friend stepped on a mine right next to him. He said, "I told him not to move, that I was going to run around a corner because I couldn't watch," after which he heard his friend blow up alone. It means "purity" he said. He was very skinny and told me about sleeping in foxholes and getting shot at. He was afraid Trump was going to get us into something bad in North Korea and he said PTSD care for returning vets isn't good unless the caregiver has actually experienced war and not just read about it in a book. He said after 12 years in the Army he makes only $40,000 a year. He had the kindness to ask me about myself, why I was traveling too. So it was a mutual listening session. We shared my last two cigarettes, said our names and shook hands, and then I walked to the Park n Ride bus back to my bubble of safety in this world.

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Yesterday I met a soldier (Original Post) Chiquitita Apr 2017 OP
k&r bigtree Apr 2017 #1
I'm an oldtimer now HAB911 Apr 2017 #2
Lots of USA Military in Puget Sound/Seattle area SonofDonald Apr 2017 #13
I don't understand the land mine part of that story. Coventina Apr 2017 #3
I asked him that Chiquitita Apr 2017 #6
I don't have any knowledge other than Hollywood movies, which I know are not reality. Coventina Apr 2017 #7
I found this online... Chiquitita Apr 2017 #8
Thanks, that helps explain that diffusion isn't an option. Coventina Apr 2017 #9
There are over 20 different types of mines in Iraq Chiquitita Apr 2017 #11
Oh, undoubtedly. And thank you for being a compassionate listener. Coventina Apr 2017 #12
Thanks for this! furtheradu Apr 2017 #4
For me... tazkcmo Apr 2017 #5
Human connections retrowire Apr 2017 #10
K&R smirkymonkey Apr 2017 #14
Thanks roscoeroscoe Apr 2017 #15
Thanks for posting mountain grammy Apr 2017 #16
Whenever I meet an active duty soldier . . FairWinds Apr 2017 #17
A bit over 34 years ago, I was at Dover AFB waiting for a MAC flight to McCord. haele Apr 2017 #18
There are tears in my eyes as I read this. hamsterjill Apr 2017 #19

HAB911

(8,932 posts)
2. I'm an oldtimer now
Thu Apr 27, 2017, 09:49 AM
Apr 2017

but back in the day, I was on my way to Korea via Ft. Lewis and had a couple of extra days so stopped downtown Seattle. Everyone was so friendly and supportive of this kid in uniform that I got paranoid. I was too young and stupid to understand they assumed I was going off to be killed. The year was 1969.

I will always remember how nice everyone treated me in Seattle

SonofDonald

(2,050 posts)
13. Lots of USA Military in Puget Sound/Seattle area
Thu Apr 27, 2017, 11:06 AM
Apr 2017

We have a navy base in Everett, the Sub base in Bangor/keyport, the Navy base in Bremerton and joint base Lewis McChord.

I was a disabled civilian heavy equipment mechanic at Ft Lewis before retiring, working around and for the best people on earth, the best job I ever had and the most fulfilling, it was an absolute pleasure to go to work everyday.

This was during the "W" era and in every building the tv's were tuned to faux news but they were mostly ignored from what I saw, the men and women stationed there were exemplary in ever thing I saw, no litter, no distractions, no attitude other than service to country.

I've met so many veterans and active service members over the years who decided to stay after service here and although there is a small amount of not so nice trouble makers from the base spilling into the community now and then the amounts are small as compared to the large civilian trouble making community.

Our heaven on earth ( except for yes, the RAIN) is made better by the military presence not to mention the thousands of civilians employed locally by the bases.

I'm a liberal, and I felt quite at home on the base I worked at, just like everybody I know who was or is still employed on one in the area

Life is great and I wouldn't live anywhere else.

But the RAIN........

Chiquitita

(752 posts)
6. I asked him that
Thu Apr 27, 2017, 09:59 AM
Apr 2017

He said once you step on a land mine and you hear it click, you are going to lose a leg for sure and probably your life. There isn't a way to stop it. Anyone else have knowledge of this?

Coventina

(27,223 posts)
7. I don't have any knowledge other than Hollywood movies, which I know are not reality.
Thu Apr 27, 2017, 10:03 AM
Apr 2017

I've seen a few Hollywood movies dating back to WWII where they are able to diffuse the mine after someone steps on it.
Obviously, not something you can do in the middle of a firefight.

Chiquitita

(752 posts)
8. I found this online...
Thu Apr 27, 2017, 10:10 AM
Apr 2017

Lots of people say there aren't mines anymore like in WWII that only trigger once you step off. Here's a typical comment:

If you step on it, you are going to be hurt badly. No time to think. You have 3 to 5 seconds before a mine (or grenade for that matter) explodes. You make a standing long jump as quickly as possible landing on your belly. Don't forget to scream "Mine!" in the process. It serves two purposes: 1) warns your comrades nearby; 2) saves your eardrums.

If you're lucky, you survive without anything amputated. Your comrades if any are in a worse position. They have 1 to 3 seconds less time to jump or hide due to human reaction time. That's why if you're a part of team, you watch your steps as well as your comrades and anything else suspicious. If you're slow, you're dead.

Coventina

(27,223 posts)
9. Thanks, that helps explain that diffusion isn't an option.
Thu Apr 27, 2017, 10:18 AM
Apr 2017

But now I'm wondering how they managed to accomplish: Realizing I stepped on a mine. Telling my buddy. My buddy says, "I'm going to run around the corner." Buddy does so.

All in 3-5 seconds?

I know I couldn't do it.

Of course, I'm not a trained and seasoned soldier.

Chiquitita

(752 posts)
11. There are over 20 different types of mines in Iraq
Thu Apr 27, 2017, 10:29 AM
Apr 2017

and the comment I posted isn't specific to the sort of mine in the incident described to me by the soldier. The way he was narrating it, I could tell he felt guilty for running around the corner, that was his point in telling me.

http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/cement_factory_ii/cement_factory_ii_tabe.htm

Coventina

(27,223 posts)
12. Oh, undoubtedly. And thank you for being a compassionate listener.
Thu Apr 27, 2017, 10:31 AM
Apr 2017

You may have helped him more than you can imagine.

tazkcmo

(7,304 posts)
5. For me...
Thu Apr 27, 2017, 09:58 AM
Apr 2017

I never really cared too much about the effects the military life had on myself but am keenly aware of how it effected my family. Between their concern for and lack of control over my safety and having to watch the Pre-game To War coverage on our illustrious "news" channels, I am still, after 30 years. extremely angry about the emotional anguish and suffering they had to endure while I was serving.

My point is, that soldier's family has served through four tours of combat wondering, worrying and hoping for his safe return and there is no compensation our government offers that comes close to making them whole to any degree. The stress they experience can have life time effects. That is an additional burden all service members carry and often goes unmentioned by them.

Thank you for sharing.

roscoeroscoe

(1,370 posts)
15. Thanks
Thu Apr 27, 2017, 11:14 AM
Apr 2017

Having made the trip home myself a couple times, that was very nice of you.

Sorry to hear about his lame ass leave. It's amazing how long it can take to get home on emergency leave, you can be stuck sitting around in Camp Buehring for arrangements.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
17. Whenever I meet an active duty soldier . .
Thu Apr 27, 2017, 11:36 AM
Apr 2017

or one who served recently, I ask them whether or not they
consider Afghanistan or Iraq to be worthwhile missions.

To this day, not a single one of them has said "yes."

Our country is hanging these young folks out to dry and
destroying their lives and youth.

Veterans For Peace

haele

(12,688 posts)
18. A bit over 34 years ago, I was at Dover AFB waiting for a MAC flight to McCord.
Thu Apr 27, 2017, 11:54 AM
Apr 2017

I had just taken some built up leave and took a MAC to Mildenhall AFB for a cheap "birthday vacation" ($20 to take a MAC overseas if not on orders; pack your own meals and dress for Arctic weather...) while we were still in the yards because it would be a good time to go to Great Britain just offseason on a youth hostel/BritRail pass, and I had enough leave I could still go home and visit my parents in Seattle for a few days before going back to the ship.
So, I was back at Dover, it's 10pm and I'm waiting for a 2am parts run to Tinker, and this cute Corpsman that was my rank and about my age sees me in my Navy Uniform, and sits down next to me. He was heading back to his unit after a vacation, and actually just needed $20 for the flight back to so as not to be AWOL, and we got to talking about history, and science fiction, and music and all sorts of other things until they called his departure.
We exchanged names and base addresses. As I said, he was cute, and we had a lot in common. Did I mention he was stationed with the First Marine Battalion that was supporting UN Peacekeepers in Beruit...

Four days later, the compound was destroyed in a suicide truck bomb. A week and a half later, I read his name in the casualty columns. I wonder sometimes, if I hadn't given him that $20 that night, if he had not caught that flight and had to wait a day or two later while he scavenged the money or got friends or relatives to wire it so he could depart from Dover, would he have still made it back at the barracks or would he have still been waiting for the next European Eagle departure in Ramstien or Siganella?

It still hurts occasionally.



Haele

hamsterjill

(15,224 posts)
19. There are tears in my eyes as I read this.
Thu Apr 27, 2017, 11:59 AM
Apr 2017

First, I want to thank you for taking the time and having the compassion to interact with this poor guy. I'm sure he was heartbroken at not seeing his dad, and I'm sure he appreciated your attention and your kindness.

I feel heartbroken that he didn't get the opportunity to see his father.

These men and women put their lives on the line for US on a daily basis. It makes me furious to know that they don't get the respect that they deserve, much less the care that they deserve. I hate the way they are treated and I will always vote accordingly hoping for better situations for them.

Heroes. All of them.

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