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Sen. Bernie Sanders believes former President Barack Obama's plan to receive $400,000 for speaking at a September Wall Street health conference is "distasteful," The Vermont Independent reported Friday.
Speaking with CNN's Suzanne Malveaux, Sanders labeled the transaction "not a good idea" and said he was "sorry President Obama made that choice."
"I just think it does not look good," Sanders said. "I just think it is distasteful -- not a good idea that he did that."
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/28/politics/bernie-sanders-obama-wall-street-speech/
Interesting.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)With lightning, and thunder, and high winds.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)That's different, isn't it?
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)even if the conference is held on Wall Street (which even includes some progressive voters. Not every Wall Street employee is a Republican.)
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Eko
(7,351 posts)It is news, I posted it. It's interesting like I said. Make out of it what you want. That is all.
chillfactor
(7,584 posts)Laurian
(2,593 posts)Pretty sick and tired of Bernie.
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)underthematrix
(5,811 posts)storm coming and there's not an umbrella biggest enough to provide cover for Bernie.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)samnsara
(17,635 posts)Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)to me at least.
treestar
(82,383 posts)No tact. No sense of what helps and what doesn't.
GoCubsGo
(32,088 posts)Running as a candidate in a party that you constantly bash, and trying to force your ideas onto that party, all while never actually becoming a member of that party. And, to think I actually used to love this guy...
starting to think the same...
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)agree completely. Wish Bernie wuld STFU
moonscape
(4,673 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Someone needs to tell Sanders this to his face at one of his townhalls
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)Response to Eko (Original post)
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Thanks, I didn't give any opinion at all, just reported the news that reported on what he said, Just the news. Thanks!
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OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)thoughts and ideas on Health Care. Let's not forget,Georgie the Less gets half a million for showing up at a Wall Street so called Round Table.
BTW,the Wall Streeters at this Conference are investors in all types of Medical and Pharmacy Companies. Obama with out a doubt,changed the narrative.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)And the benefits to our Countries People. With the repeal of the ACA,and being replaced with anyone of the Rethugs so called Insurance programs,our Nations Economy will tip into a recession. Thousands of new Medical related jobs will disappear,and that is just the start.
MichMan
(11,971 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)PLEASE understand it's never going to end well for you when you put Obama's name in your mouth... This is literally pissing into a 40-mph wind...
Sometimes I really do wonder if Bernie isn't just in this for himself... Every time he unloads on Dems the repubs on Twitter get orgasmic...
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)That's the point. Get it?
brush
(53,844 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)Response to Eko (Original post)
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gratuitous
(82,849 posts)I know that fomenting division between folks on the left is the raison d'etre for a lot of our good friends in the media, but President Obama's speaking fee is, frankly, nobody's business.* But the money Obama is being paid comes out of the pockets of the people who hired him to speak. The millions in expenses Trump incurs every weekend in Florida comes out of the Treasury. I wonder why Ms. Malveaux and CNN aren't asking our elected officials about those costs to the American taxpayer?
Or is it too distasteful and not a good idea to ask elected officials about that?
*I will make an exception for anyone who made complaints about the seemliness of President Reagan stepping out of the Oval Office in 1989 and into a $2 million honorarium for a speech to Japanese businessmen. If you were out, loud and upset back then, I'll give you a pass on complaints about President Obama's honorarium of 20% of that amount.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)Bernie has been among those blasting how Trump lines his pockets.
I know how it can infuriate many. But part of why Sanders caught fire, rose from relative obscurity as a Vermont Senator, ended up polling as the most popular candidate (by far) of ant candidate of either party during the primaries, and winning 45% of he vote against the most experienced candidate and political machine in the nation - is because he actually says what he thinks, an unusually high amount of the time, when asked a direct question. Remember last year's buzz word "authentic"? That's a part of it.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)I don't have any truck with Sanders, and I'm glad he's out fighting the good fight. I'm just wondering why President Obama's speaking fee has become such a hobbyhorse for the political media, and why every liberal or progressive or Democratic office holder or operative is asked about it. It doesn't have jack-squat to do with anything; certainly not like President Trump's bellicose, uninformed rhetoric which has royally pissed off our allies in Korea and Japan.
spooky3
(34,476 posts)to collect a big check for his speeches. And frankly, I'm glad Wall Street wants to pay and listen to him rather than to one more right wing scum bag.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,192 posts)Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #20)
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brer cat
(24,605 posts)What some perceive as "authentic" is arrogant and obtuse to others.
brush
(53,844 posts)Response to gratuitous (Reply #13)
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OldHippieChick
(2,434 posts)criticizing Repukes and leave Obama alone. You have bigger fish to fry.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)rzemanfl
(29,568 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)ellie
(6,929 posts)PaintedSkies
(99 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)PaintedSkies
(99 posts)Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)PaintedSkies
(99 posts)Cha
(297,655 posts)Chevy
(1,063 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)should not tear a Democratic president down...and give aid to the Republicans.
PaintedSkies
(99 posts)Many Democrats didn't and that includes those in power and they were very open about it.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)and give the GOP ad fodder...if you care about electing progressives, you should not criticize President Obama.
PaintedSkies
(99 posts)No criticism allowed? Or is that simply "it is because that's a primary and Republicans will never use any of that against us"? Politicians will always be criticized & Bernie isn't above it and either is anybody else.
Roosevelt said it best;
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)with cupcake shows...
PaintedSkies
(99 posts)that many obviously don't want nor wish to hear. Dems have lost over 1,000 seats, 2/3rd of Governorships, both the house and teh senate along with the presidency.
Primaries? I used your logic against you. If everything spoken bad only aids Republicans then how do you plan on getting ahead with a a "no see, no can hear" attitude? You can't and what happens is that people generally become more disenfranchised because their voices aren't being heard and their concerns not being addressed. That is a perfectly recipe for losing.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)the Democrats not one post said anything about honest...only folks using Sen. Sander's words to trash Democrats...oh well as some poster said...maybe this will open Democrats' eyes...don't see too many defending this.
Hekate
(90,793 posts)smh
George II
(67,782 posts)..in the course of his Presidency.
Many don't understand this - NO President has ever been elected since the Great Depression by running on just one or two issues.
PaintedSkies
(99 posts)Hekate
(90,793 posts)But yes, I did think TPP was a good idea that was widely misunderstood. For one thing, it would have helped rein in China's influence, which I hope all of us realize would have been a good thing.
PaintedSkies
(99 posts)But at the same time, what some seem to think is "bashing", some of us see as legit criticism. That's the defining difference.
brush
(53,844 posts)He owes Obama an apology. See the link below on CF.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8993065
PaintedSkies
(99 posts)He doesn't owe him anything.
brush
(53,844 posts)PaintedSkies
(99 posts)9/11 is irrelevant in the conversation IMHO. That's just me though. I know not everyone will agree.
George II
(67,782 posts)..."irrelevant" in a conversation about a President of the United States speaking to their company.
Evidently you know little about those events 16 years ago.
PaintedSkies
(99 posts)Republicans.
George II
(67,782 posts)PaintedSkies
(99 posts)News to me.
Hekate
(90,793 posts)You. Not the other poster.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)PaintedSkies
(99 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)PaintedSkies
(99 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)PaintedSkies
(99 posts)Seriously?
George II
(67,782 posts)PaintedSkies
(99 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...questions, and who conducted the poll?
But I'll point out one thing - why is it that as an Independent, he only has 22% of Independents rating him very favorable, less than half of Democrats. I thought his appeal to our Party was to attract Independents? That doesn't seem to be the case from this poll.
Fla Dem
(23,741 posts)He has been denigrating Democrats recently and that doesn't sit well with the base. But as you only joined DU today, you may not realize this has been a topic recently. And yes we've had Russian trolls. Anything to disrupt and be divisive.
PaintedSkies
(99 posts)which actually said the opposite. It talked about despite Bernie being attacked that he is becoming actually more popular. What I meant by Russia is that it wasn't a Russia thing saying Bernie was popular. Niot sure that makes sense, I've just woken up, literally, need some coffee.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)popularity.
PaintedSkies
(99 posts)Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)And as you point out if he is not in office, why should Sen. Sander comment on his private activities?
PaintedSkies
(99 posts)Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)PaintedSkies
(99 posts)In terms of Democrats, yes but in terms of indies, no.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)We won't get their vote.
PaintedSkies
(99 posts)and people like myself are Republicans? Really?
Hm, funny, I wasn't aware either Bernie or Hillary running under their ticket.
The more ya know!
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)The primary is over by the way. And why are you posting on Democratic Underground we support and help Democrats. Since you have admitted to being an independent I don't get it...is JPR down or something?
PaintedSkies
(99 posts)I've not especially anything about him and I voted for him 2x. I like him. Is every politician perfect? No of course not.Is it possible to like both Obama and Bernie? Of course it is.
I guess I'm not welcome here then and what is JPR? Funny, are you aware that there is a "Socialist Progressives" forum on here and also the Bernie Sanders group is listed under Democrats?
Thanks for such a warm welcome. /eyeroll
FYI I voted for Dems last 3 elections. Your vote isn't worth any more than my own despite me being an indy.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)PaintedSkies
(99 posts)Hekate
(90,793 posts)Yeah, you should look up JPR. They're swell.
PaintedSkies
(99 posts)You're the second person who has mentioned JPR. What is it?
George II
(67,782 posts)PaintedSkies
(99 posts)A whole lot more.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)And Obama's approval rating was far higher.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 29, 2017, 04:42 PM - Edit history (1)
brush
(53,844 posts)Cha
(297,655 posts)think this was very wise of BS.
Cha
(297,655 posts)Response to Eko (Original post)
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I think it's terrific that Obama gets paid for speaking. Bernie doesn't think so. Nobody's life changes either way.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)It's not like this is some nasty right wing organization...
They lost 68 % of their employees on 9-11, I am going to copy from wiki
Lutnick promised "distribute 25 percent of the firm's profits for the next five years, and committed to paying for ten years of health care, for the benefit of the families of its 658 former Cantor Fitzgerald, eSpeed, and TradeSpark employees (profits which would otherwise have been distributed to the Cantor Fitzgerald partners).[11] In 2006, the company completed its promise, having paid a total of $180 million (and an additional $17 million from a relief fund run by Lutnick's sister, Edie).
Edie Lutnick is the author of An Unbroken Bond: The Untold Story of How the 658 Cantor Fitzgerald Families Faced the Tragedy of 9/11 and Beyond. All the proceeds from the sale of the book benefit the Cantor Fitzgerald Relief Fund and the charities it assists.[18]
The Cantor Fitzgerald Relief Fund provided $10 million to families affected by Hurricane Sandy. Howard Lutnick and the Relief Fund "adopted" 19 elementary schools in impacted areas, distributing $1,000 prepaid debit cards to each family from the schools. In total $10 million in funds were given to families affected by the storm.
Two days after the 2013 Moore tornado struck Moore, Oklahoma, killing 24 people and injuring hundreds, Howard Lutnick pledged to donate $2 million to families affected by the tornado. The donation was given out in the form of $1,000 debit cards given out to area families.
Each year, on September 11, Cantor Fitzgerald and its affiliate BGC Partners donate 100% of their revenue to charitable causes on their annual Charity Day which was originally established to raise money to assist the families of Cantor employees who died in the World Trade Center attacks. Since its inception, Charity Day has raised $110 million for charities globally.[
These people seem to me to be really ethical.
I know the Intercept is trying to smear them, but I pay no attention to that bunch.
George II
(67,782 posts)Cha
(297,655 posts)All I had to see were "Cantor" and "September " in the same sentence to understand why Pres Obama was asked to deliver the speech.
Cha
(297,655 posts)an apology to President Obama.. he certainly found out who his friends are.
musette_sf
(10,206 posts)from writer and publicist Leslie Hermelin:
You guys do remember why we all know the name Cantor Fitzgerald right? (They're the "corrupt" Wall Street folks who paid Obama to speak to this week). I do. I remember. As an American living in NYC when the towers came down I made a promise to Never Forget. I remember Cantor Fitzgerald was the firm that took the most losses of all Trade Center tenants 9/11 - the plane literally crashed into their floor.
I remember the heartbreaking interviews with their CEO that followed in the aftermath. He was late that day and one of the only ones who survived. He was late AND HE LIVED bc he was taking his son to his first day of kindergarten. Did you know he gave the victims families 25% of all profits for 5 years and covered their health insurance for 10? Did you know he still has nightmares. Yeah what a corporate asshole.
Seriously if you're mad Obama spoke to this team then fuck you forever. You're the asshole.
I don't just remember the name Cantor Fitzgerald bc they're in the news this week due to a bunch of faux progressives who can't think more complex thoughts than "WALL STREET BAD MUST KILL WALL STREET".
I remember their name because in the aftermath of these events as a nascent NYC resident (I moved here Aug 2000) this man speaking about his pain and the loss suffered in news interviews following is seared into my soul. I love that he paid Obama to bring his wisdom to the people who work for him. I love that he lived.
If you think this guy and Obama are the enemy and you define yourself as a liberal progressive you're a liar and a sham.
This post is public. Share it.
http://www.businessinsider.com/cantor-fitzgerald-9-11-story-howard-lutnick-2011-9
Cha
(297,655 posts)FB from writer and publicist Leslie Hermelin:
You guys do remember why we all know the name Cantor Fitzgerald right? (They're the "corrupt" Wall Street folks who paid Obama to speak to this week). I do. I remember. As an American living in NYC when the towers came down I made a promise to Never Forget. I remember Cantor Fitzgerald was the firm that took the most losses of all Trade Center tenants 9/11 - the plane literally crashed into their floor.
I remember the heartbreaking interviews with their CEO that followed in the aftermath. He was late that day and one of the only ones who survived. He was late AND HE LIVED bc he was taking his son to his first day of kindergarten. Did you know he gave the victims families 25% of all profits for 5 years and covered their health insurance for 10? Did you know he still has nightmares. Yeah what a corporate asshole.
Seriously if you're mad Obama spoke to this team then fuck you forever. You're the asshole.
I don't just remember the name Cantor Fitzgerald bc they're in the news this week due to a bunch of faux progressives who can't think more complex thoughts than "WALL STREET BAD MUST KILL WALL STREET".
I remember their name because in the aftermath of these events as a nascent NYC resident (I moved here Aug 2000) this man speaking about his pain and the loss suffered in news interviews following is seared into my soul. I love that he paid Obama to bring his wisdom to the people who work for him. I love that he lived.
If you think this guy and Obama are the enemy and you define yourself as a liberal progressive you're a liar and a sham.
This post is public. Share it.
http://www.businessinsider.com/cantor-fitzgerald-9-11-story-howard-lutnick-2011-9
President Obama is speaking @ Cantor Fitzgerald in Sepember, though.. I can see why anyone would think he had already spoken.. with all the faux outrage about it.
I do remember Cantor-Fitzgerald.. I was living in upper state NY at the time.
musette_sf
(10,206 posts)and had retired in 2001 just weeks before September.
I still cannot imagine her pain. And her pain pales next to Howard Lutnick's pain.
Please read "An Unbroken Bond: The Untold Story of How the 658 Cantor Fitzgerald Families Faced the Tragedy of 9/11 and Beyond" by Howard's sister Edie. One of the saddest books I've ever read.
http://www.jewishbookcouncil.org/book/an-unbroken-bond
sheshe2
(83,898 posts)SticksnStones
(2,108 posts)Cantor did right by his widow. I have no beef with them.
Not all money is evil. Not all wall streeters are bereft of values and empathy.
Boomerproud
(7,964 posts)from Cantor Fitzgerald every hour or so and I remember getting one only 5 minutes before the disaster. I still think about it.
Cha
(297,655 posts)musette_sf
(10,206 posts)when objections have been posted to this speech. All I had to see were "Cantor" and "September" in the same sentence, to get it that Pres Obama was selected to give this speech because they want an empathetic, compassionate speaker with heart.
And thanks for mentioning Edie Lutnick's book - it's heartbreaking.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)betsuni
(25,615 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)The same folks, for instance, who give me a hard time for going on Fox have no problem with Bernie doing it.
Again, they have plenty of excuses and rationalizations.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)and not the least bit clever.
GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Had the misfortune of calling on their Twin City office that morning and noticed everyone gathered around two TV sets. There were people from that office that were at the NYC office for training that day,none survived. Surreal to see empty Cubes and memorials two weeks latter when called again. Same for Morgan Stanley Dean Witter office,several people also in NYC doing training. My contact person was among those who perished.
That was a tough day and the Images in those Offices will never go away. BTW,Cantor Fitz usually supports Dem Candidates and Social responsible issues.
Certain people need to stop with the back biting,this shit is going to haunt us again down the road. Please engage brain before running the mouth.
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Me.
(35,454 posts)And Bernie, there's no FBI probe on Obama, just Jane Sanders...your wife.
Cha
(297,655 posts)speech @ Cantor-Fitzgerald in September and BS comes up with this shite..
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
lapucelle
(18,319 posts)Phoenix61
(17,019 posts)But, as others have stated, shut up already! What is wrong with a private person getting paid for a speaking engagement?
randome
(34,845 posts)SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)blm
(113,091 posts)a Sanders primary voter who never fell for the GOP/Putin's propaganda in the general. Wish I could say the same of ALL my fellow Sanders voters. I can't. Some were too stupid and easily led by professional lie machines.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)rufus dog
(8,419 posts)And far from a Rhodes Scholar, but damn, it didn't take a genious to figure it out.
Lucky Luciano
(11,258 posts)JI7
(89,264 posts)and are purposely trying to cause problems.
JudyM
(29,274 posts)Takket
(21,625 posts)there is nothing wrong with it.
personally i think offering that kind of money for a speech is crazy but it isn't my business to tell them how to spend their own money.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)standards that seem to shift constantly...
LexVegas
(6,094 posts)Cha
(297,655 posts)Link to tweet
I don't give a shite what BS thinks of President Obama.
President Obama has earned his right to get paid for his work.
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
Hekate
(90,793 posts)Cha
(297,655 posts)Hekate
(90,793 posts)Cha
(297,655 posts)he's not a "friend".
Hekate
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...complains about your relations with your spouse at every turn, calls your children spoiled brats, and never lifts a finger to so much as clear the table after eating the meal he bitchd about.
At some point the children are going to take their parents for a walk and ask when Uncle Bill is going to go back to his own home?
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,192 posts)At a Cisco shareholders meeting he complained the dividend was not high enough.
https://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2011/06/27/ralph-nader-turns-rightest-on-cisco/
Hekate
(90,793 posts)...that the enemy was the Democratic Party. Can't say why -- disappointment in human frailty maybe? But for at least 20 years he's gone out of his way to undermine Democratic candidates and ensure the election of Republicans. Someone please tell me how this even makes sense in a sane world.
Nader's comment about how clever Sanders was to get the Dem Party to embrace him says something unfortunate about everyone involved.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Both types want to maintain the illusion of being better than everyone else, so then they get to run their mouths off with no consequences. Nice gig, I guess.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Just shut the fuck up. Please.
George II
(67,782 posts)betsuni
(25,615 posts)Distasteful?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... how does this help anything? How does this "unify" Democrats? Who is this message for?
Who, what, when, where, why and how? I'm just having difficulty in understanding where he's going or what he expects to happen from comments like this.
Anyone? Anyone?
sheshe2
(83,898 posts)a hide would be in order for what I think.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)betsuni
(25,615 posts)As much of an explanation as I can come up with, sorry.
ecstatic
(32,731 posts)Giving a speech to employees who happen to be in the financial sector as opposed to any other sector? AUTOMATICALLY bad, automatically distasteful. But Bernie's speech at Liberty University? Oh, that's perfectly OK. Bernie's setting the rules as he goes along. He has a script and he's sticking with it!
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... and his silly position against HRC seems to have pushed him into this.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,192 posts)Just saying
brush
(53,844 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Does not seem very "socialist" or "equitable".
Also, isn't the FBI investigating his wife?
NBachers
(17,136 posts)Sorry, I've tried, I've tried, I just can't put up with him any more.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Hekate
(90,793 posts)sheshe2
(83,898 posts)boston bean
(36,223 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Response to Eko (Original post)
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SHRED
(28,136 posts)He didn't need to do this speech monetarily wise.
The Obamas are getting a record-setting book deal worth at least $60 million
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/obama-book-deal-2017-2
Right or wrong he should have known this would inflame and not heal the division in the party as we are witnessing.
Oh he has the right to but not very politically smart in my opinion considering he has expressed a desire to be an activist in the Democratic Party's direction.
Knowing this would happen I'm wondering why the transcripts weren't released.
Maybe he advocated for single payer?
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Cha
(297,655 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)He plans on being a major influence in our party.
If that includes Wall St I fail to see why criticizing that direction is off limits.
Obama retools his political operation for post-Trump
He will use his foundation and an updated Organizing for Action group to try to salvage his legacy and rebuild the Democratic Party.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/obama-legacy-democrats-retool-233337
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)Cha
(297,655 posts)Link to tweet
President Obama will be speaking at Cantor Fitzgerald in September and I'm sure well worth what he has to say.
It will be excellent hearing from him on a National stage.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,192 posts)Talk about a lack of perspective.
Cha
(297,655 posts)that to them.
Sen Warren, too.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)...none of this would be a discussion.
QC
(26,371 posts)Cha
(297,655 posts)Link to tweet
he opened the worms on himself.. So many are not impressed.. including fans.
Link to tweet
betsuni
(25,615 posts)No transcripts for something that hasn't happened yet.
Cha
(297,655 posts)betsuni
(25,615 posts)Cha
(297,655 posts).. the knee jerkers should have investigated a little further.. 'cause now they just look bad.
betsuni
(25,615 posts)comes from." Well, that's bullshit too, isn't it.
Cha
(297,655 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... this shit is asinine on its face.
Obama can go make all the money they want to make how they want to make it as long as its moral and legal ... fuck what ever you or I think
Cha
(297,655 posts)uponit7771
(90,364 posts)
(CNN)Sen. Bernie Sanders and President Donald Trump don't agree on much, but the Vermont independent says that if the President is genuinely coaxing China to help moderate North Korea, he is "doing the right thing."
Obama distasteful but the unproven actions of Benedict Donald is "doing the right thing" ...
Jus ... I don't know what's up with Sanders ... extremely tone deaf on some shit
Cha
(297,655 posts)pnwmom
(108,994 posts)because they weren't doing hedge funds or derivatives.
In 2001 they lost 68% of their employees in the WTC attacks, but by the time of the crash they were strong enough to be able to give jobs to some of the people whose financial firms went down in the recession.
Not all financial firms are Goldman Sachs.
kcr
(15,320 posts)It looks bad. Why? Because we say so! This circular rationalization for piling on Obama would be amusing if it didn't have serious consequences.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)Obama is earning his money NOT getting it by screwing people like trump does.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)going on now, this man chooses to focus on a former politician delivering paid speeches? Also I won't dive into it too much, but it's not like he himself is in any position to be going after other people for "distasteful" things.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)emulatorloo
(44,182 posts)Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)I saw some posts on another site about his wife being under investigation for that thing she did at her old job, and some financial impropriety with school funds, an off shore bank account and something with her daughter.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)when he releases his tax returns.
And no, I'm not re-fighting the primaries. When the primaries were over, I was willing to let that go. But if he's gonna continue to take potshots at, ya know, ACTUAL Democrats, I am curious as to why he never released them...
Glass houses, and all that.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)He will never again be a player who can change laws with the stroke of a pen.
And he was offered a good bit of money to speak. I am sure he never expected to be attacked by a member of the Democratic Party. And he was not. A gadfly Independent from Vermont attacked him.
The Senator from Vermont has now crossed my personal Rubicon and I am done with him. I predict now he will do every thing he can to fuck up our chances in 2020. Hope I am wrong, but he seems to have as much animus against our party, you know the party represented here at Democratic Underground, as he does the republicans who are busy wrecking our democracy.
The shit President Obama had to put up with from republicans over the past 8 years was unprecedented in my lifetime. The republicans went straight to the sewer with every racist and bigoted attack possible. To have one of our supposed ally attack him is too much.
The Democratic Party need to tell the Senator from Vermont to pound sand and get his publicity on his own. And go back to Vermont where the citizens of one of the most homogenous, smallest population states love him.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Yes, it's sarcasm.
Cha
(297,655 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)Cha
(297,655 posts)moved on.. but some are just destined to be stuck in the past.
Trying desperately to deflect from BS' latest nasty Insult to President Obama..
Cha
(297,655 posts)2008.. you're deflecting poorly.
Eko
(7,351 posts)Taken out of context? If not are you asking us to overlook what he is saying?
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Or are we supposed to just ignore Sanders being an asshat.
nini
(16,672 posts)But those were just brown folks.
He's got his fucking nerve bashing Obama.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)emulatorloo
(44,182 posts)nini
(16,672 posts)It amazes me how so many can't see it.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)BainsBane
(53,066 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)At least Obama's money is cleaner than dumping nuclear waste in a poor Latino neighborhood.
...and lest we forget that "liberal" Vermont voted themselves a Republican State House (lower chamber) in 2000/2002/2004 in a backlash to Howard Dean's support for Gay Marriage.
Retrograde
(10,156 posts)And how much is he offered?
Who set the amount? Did Obama demand $400K up front, or did the conference offer the fee first? I sort of agree that it looks a bit, well, Republicanish, but if both sides are happy with the deal what grounds do I have to complain?
Cha
(297,655 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)Cha
(297,655 posts)accusation.
Why Obama SHOULD Make That Speech - And Take The Paycheck For It Too
snip//
Cantor Fitzgerald survived both losing the largest single number of employees (658) of any company with offices in the World Trade Center on 9/11 and they also survived the financial crisis because they were NOT engaging in the same reckless behavior as the other financial firms (like Lehman, AIG, et al).
Moreover, Cantor Fitzgerald has done a great deal of philanthropic work in honor of their lost employees. Along with keeping a promise to use 25% of ALL profits they earned for the next 5 years to provide money to each of the original 658 families, they also promised to cover the health insurance costs for those families for 10 years. On top of this, they have continued the legacy of those lost employees, by making charitable donations to help the victims of Hurricane Sandy and of a huge tornado, as well as other acts of kindness.
So Obama, now a PRIVATE CITIZEN, is giving a speech to a firm that survived a horrible tragedy that has impacted life in America in uncountable ways ever since, and who turned their pain into positive action by not only taking care of their own, but helping others as well. They have also recovered as a company, avoided the worst behaviors that led to the 2008 financial crisis (actually profiting in a year when so many larger investment firms folded and hiring when thousands were being laid off), and continue to invest in smart ways (one current project involves connecting people with their own local mom & pop shops).
Basically, Obama is being paid to give a speech to the ONE company on Wall Street that no one should be criticizing. Oh, and by the way hes giving this speech at their annual healthcare conference
a subject that Obama cares deeply about and will forever be associated with since his signature healthcare legislation has been dubbed Obamacare. Its also an issue that Cantor Fitzgerald championed even while still reeling from the losses they suffered on 9/11, by promising to cover the health care of the families of their lost employees for 10 years!!
More..
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/4/28/1657222/-Why-Obama-SHOULD-Make-That-Speech-And-Take-The-Paycheck-For-It-Too
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
betsuni
(25,615 posts)You can Google and find out how much former politicians (and Donald Trump -- he's the most expensive) were or are offered for their speaking engagements.
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)It simply adds to the perception (Truth?) that the Democratic Party has become a party of the 1%. O is not hurting for cash, no need to go this route.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)No it doesn't.
Cha
(297,655 posts)Cha
(297,655 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2017/apr/28/obama-paid-speech-late-night-comedians-hillary-clinton?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Cha
(297,655 posts)snip//
Cantor Fitzgerald survived both losing the largest single number of employees (658) of any company with offices in the World Trade Center on 9/11 and they also survived the financial crisis because they were NOT engaging in the same reckless behavior as the other financial firms (like Lehman, AIG, et al).
Moreover, Cantor Fitzgerald has done a great deal of philanthropic work in honor of their lost employees. Along with keeping a promise to use 25% of ALL profits they earned for the next 5 years to provide money to each of the original 658 families, they also promised to cover the health insurance costs for those families for 10 years. On top of this, they have continued the legacy of those lost employees, by making charitable donations to help the victims of Hurricane Sandy and of a huge tornado, as well as other acts of kindness.
So Obama, now a PRIVATE CITIZEN, is giving a speech to a firm that survived a horrible tragedy that has impacted life in America in uncountable ways ever since, and who turned their pain into positive action by not only taking care of their own, but helping others as well. They have also recovered as a company, avoided the worst behaviors that led to the 2008 financial crisis (actually profiting in a year when so many larger investment firms folded and hiring when thousands were being laid off), and continue to invest in smart ways (one current project involves connecting people with their own local mom & pop shops).
Basically, Obama is being paid to give a speech to the ONE company on Wall Street that no one should be criticizing. Oh, and by the way hes giving this speech at their annual healthcare conference
a subject that Obama cares deeply about and will forever be associated with since his signature healthcare legislation has been dubbed Obamacare. Its also an issue that Cantor Fitzgerald championed even while still reeling from the losses they suffered on 9/11, by promising to cover the health care of the families of their lost employees for 10 years!!
More..
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/4/28/1657222/-Why-Obama-SHOULD-Make-That-Speech-And-Take-The-Paycheck-For-It-Too
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
radius777
(3,635 posts)The Clinton/Obama vision came to dominate the Dem party because it put forth an optimistic vision of a reformed capitalism, one where everyone was included, iow 'progressive capitalism' most rank-and-file Dems agree with, much to the dismay of some on the populist left, that, like Sanders seem to want a Euro-socialist type system more than anything else that harbors a negative view of achievement. This simply isn't in the DNA of America, a country that has been about alot of things good and bad, but fundamentally about the doors of achievement/excellence being open to regular people. The Clintons/Obamas represent this ideal to a tee - middle/working class roots (in Bill and Barack's case, from single mother homes), self-made, ambitous, etc. Of course the Clintons and Obamas would want to make money, give speeches, write books, etc - to build their legacy, which is their right.
Cha
(297,655 posts)radius777
(3,635 posts)embraces alot of the reforms Obama wants.
I think this is really the difference between the center-left Clinton/Obama wing and the left-populist Sanders/Warren wing.
The center-left, which represents most Dems and indeed most Americans (Clinton Dem presidential candidates have won 6 of the past 7 popular votes) views capitalism as a system that indeed can be abusive and unfair, but one that (as Hillary said in a debate w/Sanders) built the greatest middle class in history and the American way of life, and one that can (and should) be reformed to make it more open, fair and equitable for everyone. IOW, a balance between Wall St and Main St.
The populist-left on the other hand, sees capitalism (and financial ambition itself) as inherently evil, and thus should be abolished and replaced with a Euro-socialist style system.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)I hate people using words like distasteful or unfortunate when they speak of Obama. ENOUGH!
Will pay no attention if people do that. Who the heck people think they are to try to control Pres. Obama! This makes me burn.
I am excited for the Obamas and am excited to see their new chapters enfold.
Anything else is just NOISE!
Lucky Luciano
(11,258 posts)He is not running for office in the future so there should be no appearance of any kind of conflict of interest....though the orangefucker seems to have made the concept of "conflict of interest" go right out the fucking window.
RazBerryBeret
(3,075 posts)that it is so very un-Bernie-friendly around here, yet we seem to hang on his every word. if he answers a random question, it will be posted here within the hour.....
Eko
(7,351 posts)I would report on that also, so, no,,,,,
RazBerryBeret
(3,075 posts)it's just entertaining to read the comments on these posts.
6000eliot
(5,643 posts)By the way, what ever happened to YOUR tax returns?
murielm99
(30,761 posts)It was never made. If I understand correctly, Sanders did not have to file because he dropped out. I don't like that rule. Everyone who runs and raises money should disclose where the money came from.
goldenpapers98
(4 posts)hahaha
emulatorloo
(44,182 posts)betsuni
(25,615 posts)emulatorloo
(44,182 posts)Eko
(7,351 posts)maybe in 2028.
egduj
(805 posts)Any chance he can to take a shot at them, he will.
is not wall street. EOM.
mvd
(65,180 posts)They would not like what I have to say though! So I may not be invited, lol. Just trying for some lightheartedness on a thread that won't have agreement.
Cha
(297,655 posts)snip//
Cantor Fitzgerald survived both losing the largest single number of employees (658) of any company with offices in the World Trade Center on 9/11 and they also survived the financial crisis because they were NOT engaging in the same reckless behavior as the other financial firms (like Lehman, AIG, et al).
Moreover, Cantor Fitzgerald has done a great deal of philanthropic work in honor of their lost employees. Along with keeping a promise to use 25% of ALL profits they earned for the next 5 years to provide money to each of the original 658 families, they also promised to cover the health insurance costs for those families for 10 years. On top of this, they have continued the legacy of those lost employees, by making charitable donations to help the victims of Hurricane Sandy and of a huge tornado, as well as other acts of kindness.
So Obama, now a PRIVATE CITIZEN, is giving a speech to a firm that survived a horrible tragedy that has impacted life in America in uncountable ways ever since, and who turned their pain into positive action by not only taking care of their own, but helping others as well. They have also recovered as a company, avoided the worst behaviors that led to the 2008 financial crisis (actually profiting in a year when so many larger investment firms folded and hiring when thousands were being laid off), and continue to invest in smart ways (one current project involves connecting people with their own local mom & pop shops).
Basically, Obama is being paid to give a speech to the ONE company on Wall Street that no one should be criticizing. Oh, and by the way hes giving this speech at their annual healthcare conference a subject that Obama cares deeply about and will forever be associated with since his signature healthcare legislation has been dubbed Obamacare. Its also an issue that Cantor Fitzgerald championed even while still reeling from the losses they suffered on 9/11, by promising to cover the health care of the families of their lost employees for 10 years!!
More..
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/4/28/1657222/-Why-Obama-SHOULD-Make-That-Speech-And-Take-The-Paycheck-For-It-Too
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
jack69
(163 posts)He should not be in the equation. He is responsible for what we have now.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)David__77
(23,503 posts)Sanders is responsible for his loss to Clinton. Clinton is responsible for her loss to Trump.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)David__77
(23,503 posts)Note that I said nothing about blame.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)still_one
(92,394 posts)"Barack Obama gave away more than $1 million while he was President of the United States, more than half of which went to charities supporting children, according to a Forbes analysis of his tax returns from 2009 to 2015."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2017/02/06/obama-donated-over-1-million-to-charity-as-president-heres-where-the-money-went/#50dc5faf459e
President Obama donations to charity amount to about 15% of his income
Senators Sanders donation to charities amount to 5%.
In addition, President Obama will take his earnings for the speech as ordinary income, which thanks to President Obama's own policies, will include the .9% Medicare tax part of the ACA, and will be paying a marginal rate of 40% on that income. To the dismay of some it seems he will keep 60% for himself, of course based on his history of charitable giving, which some conveniently like to ignore, he will give some of that to charity.
This judgemental, and holier than though attitude that some have, is tiresome
There is nothing unethical, illegal, or immoral about this.
Perhaps those self-identified progressives who refused to vote for the Democratic nominee for President should reflect on the consequences of their actions, instead of how much someone gets paid for a speech.
betsuni
(25,615 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)So maybe he should just donate that $400,000 to charity and everybody is happy. Except that he's taking money from the very people that are ruining middle class families lives.
Cha
(297,655 posts)and it's not working.
still_one
(92,394 posts)progressives who refused to vote for Hillary, and by those very actions contributed to the asshole who will destroy the middle class
Cha
(297,655 posts)snip//
Cantor Fitzgerald survived both losing the largest single number of employees (658) of any company with offices in the World Trade Center on 9/11 and they also survived the financial crisis because they were NOT engaging in the same reckless behavior as the other financial firms (like Lehman, AIG, et al).
Moreover, Cantor Fitzgerald has done a great deal of philanthropic work in honor of their lost employees. Along with keeping a promise to use 25% of ALL profits they earned for the next 5 years to provide money to each of the original 658 families, they also promised to cover the health insurance costs for those families for 10 years. On top of this, they have continued the legacy of those lost employees, by making charitable donations to help the victims of Hurricane Sandy and of a huge tornado, as well as other acts of kindness.
So Obama, now a PRIVATE CITIZEN, is giving a speech to a firm that survived a horrible tragedy that has impacted life in America in uncountable ways ever since, and who turned their pain into positive action by not only taking care of their own, but helping others as well. They have also recovered as a company, avoided the worst behaviors that led to the 2008 financial crisis (actually profiting in a year when so many larger investment firms folded and hiring when thousands were being laid off), and continue to invest in smart ways (one current project involves connecting people with their own local mom & pop shops).
Basically, Obama is being paid to give a speech to the ONE company on Wall Street that no one should be criticizing. Oh, and by the way hes giving this speech at their annual healthcare conference a subject that Obama cares deeply about and will forever be associated with since his signature healthcare legislation has been dubbed Obamacare. Its also an issue that Cantor Fitzgerald championed even while still reeling from the losses they suffered on 9/11, by promising to cover the health care of the families of their lost employees for 10 years!!
More..
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/4/28/1657222/-Why-Obama-SHOULD-Make-That-Speech-And-Take-The-Paycheck-For-It-Too
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
still_one
(92,394 posts)Cha
(297,655 posts)That goes for Sen Warren, too.
sheshe2
(83,898 posts)This RIGHT HERE should be an OP, still_one!
Thank you.
ecstatic
(32,731 posts)Probably not. Which makes both of their comments on how our first black president should spend his retirement "distasteful" as fuck. It's amazing to me that they found time to criticize the best President of my lifetime during a time like this, when Trump and the republicans are destroying this country.
I'm trying so hard not to get sucked back into the back and forth but Bernie truly is divisive.
mvd
(65,180 posts)I wouldn't have done it. It looks bad when we are trying to be for Main Street instead. It's not just Obama though. It is something I would like to see less of in general.
There is kind of a Democratic Wall St. (Summers, et al.) and a Republican Wall St. (current Treasury Secretary.) I do not like either, but the Republican kind has no shame at all.
Cha
(297,655 posts)snip//
Cantor Fitzgerald survived both losing the largest single number of employees (658) of any company with offices in the World Trade Center on 9/11 and they also survived the financial crisis because they were NOT engaging in the same reckless behavior as the other financial firms (like Lehman, AIG, et al).
Moreover, Cantor Fitzgerald has done a great deal of philanthropic work in honor of their lost employees. Along with keeping a promise to use 25% of ALL profits they earned for the next 5 years to provide money to each of the original 658 families, they also promised to cover the health insurance costs for those families for 10 years. On top of this, they have continued the legacy of those lost employees, by making charitable donations to help the victims of Hurricane Sandy and of a huge tornado, as well as other acts of kindness.
So Obama, now a PRIVATE CITIZEN, is giving a speech to a firm that survived a horrible tragedy that has impacted life in America in uncountable ways ever since, and who turned their pain into positive action by not only taking care of their own, but helping others as well. They have also recovered as a company, avoided the worst behaviors that led to the 2008 financial crisis (actually profiting in a year when so many larger investment firms folded and hiring when thousands were being laid off), and continue to invest in smart ways (one current project involves connecting people with their own local mom & pop shops).
Basically, Obama is being paid to give a speech to the ONE company on Wall Street that no one should be criticizing. Oh, and by the way hes giving this speech at their annual healthcare conference a subject that Obama cares deeply about and will forever be associated with since his signature healthcare legislation has been dubbed Obamacare. Its also an issue that Cantor Fitzgerald championed even while still reeling from the losses they suffered on 9/11, by promising to cover the health care of the families of their lost employees for 10 years!!
More..
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/4/28/1657222/-Why-Obama-SHOULD-Make-That-Speech-And-Take-The-Paycheck-For-It-Too
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
mvd
(65,180 posts)You gave your reasons and I gave mine. It's still Wall St., which I and many more criticize. And Lutnick took heat for pocketing much of the 9/11 settlement with the airline.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)We need do concentrate on substance and not optics...which in my opinion are bull shit anyway...Sen. Sanders should not have given the answer he did in my opinion.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)Investment banking firm that sued American Airlines for $135 million dollars for families of 9/11 and the head honchos pocketed $25 million of that money EACH.. leaving families uninformed that they were entitled to a share. How do you like them apples folks? A god damn investment bank Cantor Fitzgerald and Obama will just waltz in and give a great speech to the very people who are screwing us: the Investment banking industry and the health insurance industry. So there you have it. Ain't capitalism great folks .. you can be President and then cash in like hell when you're done. Oh but they all do it
Cha
(297,655 posts)snip//
Cantor Fitzgerald survived both losing the largest single number of employees (658) of any company with offices in the World Trade Center on 9/11 and they also survived the financial crisis because they were NOT engaging in the same reckless behavior as the other financial firms (like Lehman, AIG, et al).
Moreover, Cantor Fitzgerald has done a great deal of philanthropic work in honor of their lost employees. Along with keeping a promise to use 25% of ALL profits they earned for the next 5 years to provide money to each of the original 658 families, they also promised to cover the health insurance costs for those families for 10 years. On top of this, they have continued the legacy of those lost employees, by making charitable donations to help the victims of Hurricane Sandy and of a huge tornado, as well as other acts of kindness.
So Obama, now a PRIVATE CITIZEN, is giving a speech to a firm that survived a horrible tragedy that has impacted life in America in uncountable ways ever since, and who turned their pain into positive action by not only taking care of their own, but helping others as well. They have also recovered as a company, avoided the worst behaviors that led to the 2008 financial crisis (actually profiting in a year when so many larger investment firms folded and hiring when thousands were being laid off), and continue to invest in smart ways (one current project involves connecting people with their own local mom & pop shops).
Basically, Obama is being paid to give a speech to the ONE company on Wall Street that no one should be criticizing. Oh, and by the way hes giving this speech at their annual healthcare conference
a subject that Obama cares deeply about and will forever be associated with since his signature healthcare legislation has been dubbed Obamacare. Its also an issue that Cantor Fitzgerald championed even while still reeling from the losses they suffered on 9/11, by promising to cover the health care of the families of their lost employees for 10 years!!
More..
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/4/28/1657222/-Why-Obama-SHOULD-Make-That-Speech-And-Take-The-Paycheck-For-It-Too
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)he is not running for anything...and can do as he pleases. You can cherry pick any company...but this is just an attack on President Obama and will backfire.
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)Why should I?
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)Cha
(297,655 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)He DID criticize Obama taking money. He did NOT defend Ann Coulter. His statement had nothing to do with her and everything to do with whether or not we should be dealing with speech we don't like in the fashion that people threatened to do in Berkeley. Don't make it something it wasn't...that's unbecoming. He also did NOT praise Trump's foreign policy. He said, IF Trump is trying to get China to take the reins and do something about China then Sanders things that is the right step. And if Sanders does think its the right step, then why the fuck should he lie about it?
Please, there are plenty of things for us to hash over and debate regarding actual things that happened. You don't have to create a laundry list of entirely debunkable things. If you want to make a point, its better not to go so hyperbolic. That doesn't serve anyone.
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)Cha
(297,655 posts)LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)What Barack Obama ---Private Citizen -- gets paid to give any speech, anytime and any Gosh Darn where is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!!! Point, Blank, Period!
This is where the Bernie Train will run right off the rails with Black Folks like us. Bernie needs to step off any comments on what PRIVATE CITIZEN Barack Obama does!!!!
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Hekate
(90,793 posts)AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)Put a filter on it, man. Quit doing the work for faux, Bernie.
Cha
(297,655 posts)for the knee jerking accusations..
includes Sen Warren.. Thank you, pnwmom..
Why Obama SHOULD Make That Speech - And Take The Paycheck For It Too
snip//
Cantor Fitzgerald survived both losing the largest single number of employees (658) of any company with offices in the World Trade Center on 9/11 and they also survived the financial crisis because they were NOT engaging in the same reckless behavior as the other financial firms (like Lehman, AIG, et al).
Moreover, Cantor Fitzgerald has done a great deal of philanthropic work in honor of their lost employees. Along with keeping a promise to use 25% of ALL profits they earned for the next 5 years to provide money to each of the original 658 families, they also promised to cover the health insurance costs for those families for 10 years. On top of this, they have continued the legacy of those lost employees, by making charitable donations to help the victims of Hurricane Sandy and of a huge tornado, as well as other acts of kindness.
So Obama, now a PRIVATE CITIZEN, is giving a speech to a firm that survived a horrible tragedy that has impacted life in America in uncountable ways ever since, and who turned their pain into positive action by not only taking care of their own, but helping others as well. They have also recovered as a company, avoided the worst behaviors that led to the 2008 financial crisis (actually profiting in a year when so many larger investment firms folded and hiring when thousands were being laid off), and continue to invest in smart ways (one current project involves connecting people with their own local mom & pop shops).
Basically, Obama is being paid to give a speech to the ONE company on Wall Street that no one should be criticizing. Oh, and by the way hes giving this speech at their annual healthcare conference
a subject that Obama cares deeply about and will forever be associated with since his signature healthcare legislation has been dubbed Obamacare. Its also an issue that Cantor Fitzgerald championed even while still reeling from the losses they suffered on 9/11, by promising to cover the health care of the families of their lost employees for 10 years!!
More..
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/4/28/1657222/-Why-Obama-SHOULD-Make-That-Speech-And-Take-The-Paycheck-For-It-Too
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
Aloha, Agador~
LenaBaby61
(6,977 posts)Same here.
This "purity" stuff
It's EXTREMELY difficult to be 100% pure.
IMHO, Bernie has every right to air his feelings out about Wall Street, which I agree with him on. However, as Dems are increasingly on the attack and talking more about tRumputn not releasing his taxes in light of this Tax cut for the uber-rich like himself, and more Americans want to know what's tRumputin's hiding in his taxes as well, but Bernie's not going to really be able to say much about about tRumputin's tax cuts for the UBER-wealthy, because Bernie's been dodgy with his FULL tax returns for 2016 (He has released his 2014 tax returns).
Instead of Bernie saying "Hey, you guys know how I feel about Wall Street, and as far as Pres. Obama's speaking fees go, that's on him--Pres. Obama can speak for himself," then pivot to tRumputin and his insane health care twitter rants, and speak about how he doesn't care if 24 million and more could be thrown off their health care if his crazy health care bill passes. But Bernie in certain situations can come off as pontificating about certain things he should make an effort to pivot from.
At some point when Bernie starts getting more vocal on legislation he wants to introduce concerning Single-payer, I'm pretty sure thuglicans are going to start aiming their knives at him because they KNOW how to deflect IE: What if they go after Bernie concerning his 2016 taxes (Not being released)? The media and thuglicans (Who stay low/deflect extremely well) will of course find something about Bernie to make an issue of, and say it's his 2016 federal income taxes, of course deflecting away from tRumputin's tax situation because that's how thuglicans roll. I could see most in THIS media environment conveniently forgetting about tRumputin's federal income taxes, and asking Bernie why he hasn't released his 2016 federal income taxes when he's interviewed.
Like I say, it's EXTREMELY difficult to be pure.
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)one ear and out the other. He entered the presidency as one of the least financially endowed Presidents of contemporary times. That sixty million dollar book deal is really about 25 after all the taxes that will be assessed unless he just invests without touching it until he too old to enjoy it. He is in a rental that is not cheap and now has to pay out of pocket for a lot of things hero longer gets on the job. Give the fu*%$#@ man a break. Concentrate on how Drumpf is taking money for every illegal thing he can. Bigger fish to fry. I am going to email President Obama and make sure he knows that there is this American on his side and thinks he should collect for his speeches.
madaboutharry
(40,220 posts)Bernie got on my nerve early on. I can't stand his holier than thou sanctimonious attitude anbiut the world. Meanwhile he never released his own tax returns and there are plenty of questions about his wife's tenure at Burlington College.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)I hope he runs for office in 2020 so I can have the pleasure of voting for the other guy. I have to wonder if Sen.Sanders even wants Democrats to retake congress.
killbotfactory
(13,566 posts)'Cause everybody else does it. Cool.
betsuni
(25,615 posts)killbotfactory
(13,566 posts)Citizens United is no big deal for the same reason. It's like Obama has extensive contacts within the party and is going to be actively involved in the future.
betsuni
(25,615 posts)Objectivity isn't that hard. What's money? Who cares. I pity anyone who can't understand that.
JI7
(89,264 posts)BainsBane
(53,066 posts)He's not in government anymore. How has that basic fact escaped you?
killbotfactory
(13,566 posts)He hand picked the new DNC chair, ffs.
betsuni
(25,615 posts)LOL
betsuni
(25,615 posts)LOL
killbotfactory
(13,566 posts)BainsBane
(53,066 posts)he is out of office, and you do not own him. He is a private citizen, not your property. Meanwhile, none of the self-righteous give a shit about so-called progressives failing to disclose tax returns and lining their pockets to the tune of $10-15 million. But a black man earns money without throwing a ball around to entertain the white bourgoisie, and they are up in arms. The hypocrisy is stunning.
The DNC chair is elected. I'm sick of the self-entitled claiming everything is rigged because they hate the fact that other citizens, particularly the subaltern, have a vote. Just like with public elections, those citizens don't matter.
Last week so-called progressives exposed themselves as they worked to excuse inequality for the benefit of a demographic whose incomes already well exceed the median, all to justify erosion of rights and thereby relegating women and children to poverty. Trevor Noah nailed this shit show about Obama No one buys the act anymore. Go help the self-righteous figure out how to hide multi-millions from govt ethics offices; help them evade the FBI for pocketing a windfall from a bankrupted FOR PROFIT university. Surely there is another waste dump that can be put in a minority community to generate profits. Oh right. That's exactly what this is. A sideshow ginned up as a distraction. You all are like the Republicans complaining about the money spent on PBS while ignoring massive waste and graft in defense spending. Go try the bullshit on the "not racist" white male Republicans whose fee fees you all worry so much about.
killbotfactory
(13,566 posts)or the rest of the democratic party. It's not the worst thing Obama could do, it's just disappointing, especially in the age where it's been made crystal-fucking-clear that money buys influence. Is it a problem, or isn't it? I come down on the side that it's a problem.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)We know precisely what his financial connections are. Your claim is that anyone associated with the party should be under scrutiny, even those not in public office who are never running for public office again. Then those throwing stones ought to examine their own glasshouse. Holding him to a standard you refuse to for others is not acceptable. Nor does anyone believe it's about the public trust.
JI7
(89,264 posts)speakers around. i think the amount paid is too little.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)JI7
(89,264 posts)influential within the party.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Barack Obama does not hold elected office and never will again.
So WTF are you talking about with influence peddling?
Please think before you post.
killbotfactory
(13,566 posts)It's absurd to think they don't. Did Clinton remain neutral in politics after he left the white house? Obama picked Perez to run for DNC chair, and he plans to have a leadership role in the party in the future. When a significant portion of the party wants to get less cozy with large corporate donors, this sends a pretty significant message. How could it not?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)So everything you wrote is silly nonsense.
Doodley
(9,124 posts)we can do it
(12,193 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)about the Clinton Foundation. Money in politics, tsk tsk, very troubling he said, as the TV cameras rolled and rolled and rolled. Now it turns out the AP was lying and Bernie's wife is under FBI investigation. Funny how that works.
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treestar
(82,383 posts)hughee99
(16,113 posts)For someone who had already given such speeches just last year?
liberal N proud
(60,344 posts)He has a strange way of showing it.
Hekate
(90,793 posts)Hmmmm.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)David__77
(23,503 posts)It would activate the conversation about what the Democratic Party should be and who should lead it.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Blue_Adept
(6,402 posts)David__77
(23,503 posts)Of course Obama never agreed not to do this. He's got no formal party role- and I certainly don't find it to be unethical.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)Cha
(297,655 posts)Link to tweet
Why Obama SHOULD Make That Speech - And Take The Paycheck For It Too
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Cantor Fitzgerald survived both losing the largest single number of employees (658) of any company with offices in the World Trade Center on 9/11 and they also survived the financial crisis because they were NOT engaging in the same reckless behavior as the other financial firms (like Lehman, AIG, et al).
Moreover, Cantor Fitzgerald has done a great deal of philanthropic work in honor of their lost employees. Along with keeping a promise to use 25% of ALL profits they earned for the next 5 years to provide money to each of the original 658 families, they also promised to cover the health insurance costs for those families for 10 years. On top of this, they have continued the legacy of those lost employees, by making charitable donations to help the victims of Hurricane Sandy and of a huge tornado, as well as other acts of kindness.
So Obama, now a PRIVATE CITIZEN, is giving a speech to a firm that survived a horrible tragedy that has impacted life in America in uncountable ways ever since, and who turned their pain into positive action by not only taking care of their own, but helping others as well. They have also recovered as a company, avoided the worst behaviors that led to the 2008 financial crisis (actually profiting in a year when so many larger investment firms folded and hiring when thousands were being laid off), and continue to invest in smart ways (one current project involves connecting people with their own local mom & pop shops).
Basically, Obama is being paid to give a speech to the ONE company on Wall Street that no one should be criticizing. Oh, and by the way hes giving this speech at their annual healthcare conference a subject that Obama cares deeply about and will forever be associated with since his signature healthcare legislation has been dubbed Obamacare. Its also an issue that Cantor Fitzgerald championed even while still reeling from the losses they suffered on 9/11, by promising to cover the health care of the families of their lost employees for 10 years!!
More..
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/4/28/1657222/-Why-Obama-SHOULD-Make-That-Speech-And-Take-The-Paycheck-For-It-Too
Link to tweet
David__77
(23,503 posts)...
Cha
(297,655 posts)Thrill
(19,178 posts)..
Oneironaut
(5,524 posts)Bernie's holier-than-thou attitude here is disgusting. I really don't care what Obama does. He isn't the President anymore. I've always found Bernie's Wall Street rhetoric exploitive and over the top goofy.
Oneironaut
(5,524 posts)MichMan
(11,971 posts)Maybe President Obama was as broke leaving office as the Clinton's claimed to be
For one thing, it is a speech to Wall Street investment types, who benefited greatly from Obama's presidency, so this is payback of a sort. Some of them belong in prison. But they got a bailout instead.
The other thing is that this is a conference on health care INVESTMENT. Think about it. These people want to fucking profit off your illness. We all know health insurance is a racket and investment in health care firms is all about profit and they profit by either raising rates, reducing coverage or both.
Lotusflower70
(3,077 posts)I love Bernie but President Obama can do what he wants.
jalan48
(13,883 posts)Mountain Mule
(1,002 posts)The reason I feel this way is because I also check in on a conservative forum just to keep an eye on what they are up to now.
They absolutely loved it when the news came out that Obama was going to get $400,000 for speaking to Wall Street - they called him a "hypocrite" and said he had "discredited" himself and just in general were full of glee over it. So, yeah. Perhaps not a good idea. And now I'm gonna duck and cover.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)SticksnStones
(2,108 posts)Nothing illegal, nothing wrong but contrasts his message....
Like that?
http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/10/bernie-sanders-buys-summer-home/