What I find distasteful

[sheshe2]

is that Sanders is trashing the most respected President of our time.

I have issues with our "Democratic Outreach Person" trashing our former President. How does this heal the country? It does not, it divides. Obama is no longer in public office he can take any speaking tours he wishes. Word. Bernie, you are on every talk show promoting yours and your book. Pot kettle??????

[we can do it]

1. I am tired of the BS.

[sheshe2]

7. +1000

[we can do it]

9. If you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem.

[sheshe2]

18. In business I learned.

You can say a negative yet always always follow up with a solution. If not you lose. A negative can NOT be stated without a positive solution.

[athenasatanjesus]

92. Yet republicans say negatives without any solutions all the time

and it doesn't seem to hurt their popularity much.

[ehrnst]

98. They're not popular here. (nt)

[ehrnst]

100. Depends on what you see as the problem

and what you see as "the solution."

If someone thinks that whatever they say is "the solution," then they may actually be a part of the problem.

[iluvtennis]

42. +++ agree

[NurseJackie]

82. I am too. You're not alone.

[ehrnst]

101. All of it. (nt)

[hrmjustin]

2. Considering the news of the past 24 hours I think Bernie should not judge others. n/t.

[sheshe2]

4. You are correct Justin.

Love you sweetie,

[hrmjustin]

5. Love you too She!

[we can do it]

11. I'm with you.

[calimary]

32. Indeed.

[Chevy]

3. Marcus had some thoughts about this

Link to tweet

[sheshe2]

6. Interesting.

Thank you Chevy.

We do not suck! That is a fact!

[George II]

20. That's a superfecta.

[Hekate]

22. Christ on a trailer hitch. This Sanders calls a unity tour?!

[sheshe2]

35. Ya have to wonder....

unity for who or a few.

[ehrnst]

104. He's definitely promoting his brand.

Which is totally what politicians do. He's a career politician.

And getting it paid for by the party, rather than you or your constituents - genius.

[murielm99]

28. Good summary.

How is this post staying visible? I was sure it would have been censored by now.

[sheshe2]

36. me too.

[Honeycombe8]

29. That's true. And how odd that Bernie would do that. What's up?

I'm wondering if the immense national fame and money he's gotten from the campaign has gone to his head? It happens to many good people. In fact, I thought I saw a bit of that during the campaign, but wasn't sure.

In any case, what happens after a national campaign is that the final candidates are catapulted into national fame, and money starts raining all around them. After all these years, Bernie became a household name and has been showered with money (he bought some new digs).

There's nothing wrong with money. That's one of the goals in most people's lives. But it can go to a person's head.

[sheshe2]

64. Here is where he spoke

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantor_Fitzgerald

[Guilded Lilly]

73. The sections on the Sept 11 attacks and the company's philanthropy...

Are most enlightening.

[Honeycombe8]

81. Don't understand your point. Am I supposed to be looking for something in particular? nt

[BumRushDaShow]

88. Cantor Fitzgerald sponsored Obama's talk

regarding healthcare. Although they are a Wall Street investment firm (which has been the "controversy" regarding paying our former President for his talk), the company was also the one that lost something like 600+ employees on 9/11 when one of the planes crashed into the floors where their offices were.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/cantor-fitzgerald-commits-family-members-658-workers-lost-9-11-article-1.945159

[Honeycombe8]

139. I see. I have no problem with former Presidents making money for speeches, anyway. nt

[lapucelle]

38. And reminded women that he considers

their right to reproductive autonomy an example of identity politics that gets in the way of the really important stuff.

[Guilded Lilly]

72. While not at all surprising, it still can disappoint, can't it?...

This election was an eye opener in several ways and while my cynicism has long been supported by the "oh yeah, that's right, this IS politics" reminders over the years, the surfacing of deeply-seeded gender issues has really hammered home just how far we HAVEN'T come.

I'm still wrapping my brain around it and mine is always just one woman's opinion...

But, yeah, Sanders has proven himself quite annoying recently.

[NastyRiffraff]

84. Yes he did

For someone who is supposed to be the "outreach" for the Democratic Party, it looks like all he's been doing is trashing Democrats and defending Republicans. His time is past, and it's time he goes away.

[ehrnst]

103. +1000. (nt)

[uponit7771]

8. While giving Red Don the BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT on NK !!! (cnn link inside)

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/28/politics/bernie-sanders-north-korea-donald-trump-cnntv/

[bettyellen]

59. Well I guess it's okay to some if he's gambling away S Korea?

Can't say either one of them had a coherent foreign policy so I guess it makes sense.

[Cha]

10. President Obama is giving a speech @ Cantor Fitzerald in September

Link to tweet

All the knee jerkers needed to investigate further.. now they just look bad.

Link to tweet

[sheshe2]

14. Snap!

[JHan]

27. thanks for that info

[Honeycombe8]

30. Facts are pesky things, aren't they? They just don't go away.

What a different picture the facts make than the critical stories.

BTW, there's nothing wrong with a former President getting rich. It's a natural consequence of being one of a few in a group of very select men in the country, and a former President. Good for him and all the other Presidents who did the same thing.

[calimary]

34. I remember when the CEO of Cantor Fitzgerald was a guest on Larry King's CNN show

soon after 9/11. He could barely get through the interview. Cried, openly, off and on throughout, over how many of his people had been killed. He was absolutely bereft.

[SunSeeker]

43. Thank you! Looks like ODS is still alive and well.

On both sides of the aisle.

[JTFrog]

46. Amen to that! nt

[ehrnst]

109. While flying on a private plane, paid for by the party.

Which is not in any way shape or form establishment or politics as usual.

[monmouth4]

12. Eliz. Warren was very disappointing also. n/t

[Chevy]

13. Not impressed with her for that. n/t

[Honeycombe8]

31. I'm not impressed with her generally, anyway. nt

[sheshe2]

15. I am upset with her.

I was planning to campaign for her. She is my Senator.

[lapucelle]

45. I'm wondering if Warren's moves this week

(endorsing Perriello and criticizing Obama's fee) were a DNC political strategy to take a cudgel away from Sanders and Our Revolution.

Now that these are debates within a "big tent" Democratic party, BS can no longer claim that the democrats are entrenched in establishment thinking.

[ehrnst]

110. I hope so.(nt)

[sheshe2]

125. luv ya....

hope you are correct.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

51. Love Elizabeth!

[Grassy Knoll]

16. IBTR

In Before The Russians

[babylonsister]

113. ...

[VOX]

17. Even our DU rules say not to run down Democratic figures and candidates.

Bernie's not even playing by DU rules!

[sheshe2]

19. Fact.

A sad one.

[Hekate]

23. True dat

[ehrnst]

97. DING DING DING!!! Bashing the Party and Democratic figures....

"Don't shit where you eat" - Moonlight

[sarah FAILIN]

120. but this post still stands

Some rules apply to some and not to others randomly with no rhyme or reason.

[keithbvadu2]

21. Bernie is the updated Ralph Nader.

Had some good ideas (some) but turned out to be a spoiler.

Republicans would call him the updated Ross Perot.

[ehrnst]

108. He is the result of Nader

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_next_20/2016/09/ralph_nader_and_the_tragedy_of_voter_as_consumer_politics.html

[brer cat]

24. He accomplishes nothing but divisiveness.

He also needs to think about people who live in glass houses....just sayin'.

[sheshe2]

26. .....................just saying.

[Guilded Lilly]

74. And just sayin' once more for good measure. There is a

growing crack in the living room window, sadly.

[Butterflies]

25. I am so sick of Bernie and his ego

We have some big fights to focus on and he isn't helping. I'm tired of hearing about him.

[NanceGreggs]

37. Bernie is ALL about Bernie ...

... and only about Bernie.

"It would be hypocritical of me to run as a Democrat because of the things I have said about the party." - Bernie Sanders

He told people what he would be if he ran as a Democrat - and then he ran as a Democrat.

'Nuff said.

[sheshe2]

41. Snap!

[sheshe2]

47. Looks like we both survived.......

hmmmm

[Cha]

66. And, still saying about the Democratic Party and the Awesome

Leaders we have.

[NurseJackie]

76. Interesting. I never thought of it that way before. Now I *do* think of it that way...

... that's a real "eye-opener", you know? It makes sense. Thanks for posting that.

[musette_sf]

89. + 1

You are correct.

Sometimes I wonder who he would have chosen as a running mate.

Stein?
Nader?
Lieberman?
LaRouche?

[ehrnst]

112. +1000. (nt)

[mcar]

39. K&R

[lunamagica]

40. Well obvously Sanders is jealous...

[Gothmog]

44. Agreed

Sanders is so very jealous of President Obama

[Demsrule86]

105. Maybe he wants to be more popular than Pres. Obama...don't think he ever

liked Pres. Obama...wanted to primary him in 12. Thank God that didn't happen.

[SaschaHM]

48. Maybe President Obama donate some of his speech income to...

Jane's potential legal defense.

[UtahLib]

49. The fact that Bernie

Is becoming more hostile toward Democrats and the party every time he opens his mouth is pretty distasteful.

[sheshe2]

50. Yup.

[uponit7771]

69. +1, even recently giving Red Don the benefit of the doubt!!!

[AgadorSparticus]

52. I don't agree with this tack, either. Quit beating on the past and move on.

I agree, She. I wish this would stop. It is counter productive.

[sheshe2]

53. We can never win if our party is beaten over the head by one of our own.

Our rules on Democratic Underground are clear.

DO NOT BASH DEMOCRATS!

[AgadorSparticus]

56. +1,000!!!

[sheshe2]

65. ;)

[brush]

70. Wish someone would tell you know who.

[Ninsianna]

54. I've never paid much attention to these posts with in the party.

Is this something they made up for Sanders, or a role that has always been there?

He seems to be reaching out to the Trump people and the Republicans, is that what he's supposed to be doing?

That whole endorsing the guy trying to ban abortion and his comments before he did that makes me wonder who the target of his outreach is.

[Demsrule86]

106. He is causing damage though...look at Twitter.

[R B Garr]

55. +1000, agreed with everything you said.

Criticizing a wildly popular ex-President like Obama truly shows the severe limitations of his one-size-fits-all bashing routine. Go bash some Republicans for a change! Sick of this. He is nothing but divisive.

[sheshe2]

62. RB

Here is more...

Philanthropy[edit]

Edie Lutnick is the author of An Unbroken Bond: The Untold Story of How the 658 Cantor Fitzgerald Families Faced the Tragedy of 9/11 and Beyond. All the proceeds from the sale of the book benefit the Cantor Fitzgerald Relief Fund and the charities it assists.[18]

The Cantor Fitzgerald Relief Fund provided $10 million to families affected by Hurricane Sandy. Howard Lutnick and the Relief Fund "adopted" 19 elementary schools in impacted areas, distributing $1,000 prepaid debit cards to each family from the schools.[19] In total $10 million in funds were given to families affected by the storm.[20]

Two days after the 2013 Moore tornado struck Moore, Oklahoma, killing 24 people and injuring hundreds, Howard Lutnick pledged to donate $2 million to families affected by the tornado. The donation was given out in the form of $1,000 debit cards given out to area families.[21][22]

Each year, on September 11, Cantor Fitzgerald and its affiliate BGC Partners donate 100% of their revenue to charitable causes on their annual Charity Day which was originally established to raise money to assist the families of Cantor employees who died in the World Trade Center attacks.[23] Since its inception, Charity Day has raised $110 million for charities globally.[24]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantor_Fitzgerald

This. This is the horrible place that Obama spoke at.

Thanks RB

[R B Garr]

116. Glad you posted this, sheshe.

I'm still so sorry for their loss. Most of those folks were just everyday people going about their lives. No need to demonize people by labeling everything with a hostile "Wall Street" slur. I'm glad Obama honors them.

[sheshe2]

117. You are welcome.

Atta stayed at the hotel across the street from where I worked for 10 years. That day sure still hurts us all. We will never forget.

[J_William_Ryan]

57. Sanders isnt a Democrat

Democrats don’t have a problem with ‘Well Street.’

Democrats don’t have a problem with people making lots of money.

Democrats don’t have a problem with capitalism, free markets, and wealth – none of which they find ‘distasteful.’

Sanders is correct on most of the issues and would have been an excellent president – but his hostility toward ‘Wall Street’ and corporate America is naïve and unwarranted.

[musette_sf]

58. K&R xoxo

A Facebook post that clearly articulates my thoughts on this, from writer and publicist Leslie Hermelin:

You guys do remember why we all know the name Cantor Fitzgerald right? (They're the "corrupt" Wall Street folks who paid Obama to speak to this week). I do. I remember. As an American living in NYC when the towers came down I made a promise to Never Forget. I remember Cantor Fitzgerald was the firm that took the most losses of all Trade Center tenants 9/11 - the plane literally crashed into their floor.

I remember the heartbreaking interviews with their CEO that followed in the aftermath. He was late that day and one of the only ones who survived. He was late AND HE LIVED bc he was taking his son to his first day of kindergarten. Did you know he gave the victims families 25% of all profits for 5 years and covered their health insurance for 10? Did you know he still has nightmares. Yeah what a corporate asshole.

Seriously if you're mad Obama spoke to this team then fuck you forever. You're the asshole.

I don't just remember the name Cantor Fitzgerald bc they're in the news this week due to a bunch of faux progressives who can't think more complex thoughts than "WALL STREET BAD MUST KILL WALL STREET".

I remember their name because in the aftermath of these events as a nascent NYC resident (I moved here Aug 2000) this man speaking about his pain and the loss suffered in news interviews following is seared into my soul. I love that he paid Obama to bring his wisdom to the people who work for him. I love that he lived.

If you think this guy and Obama are the enemy and you define yourself as a liberal progressive you're a liar and a sham.

This post is public. Share it.

http://www.businessinsider.com/cantor-fitzgerald-9-11-story-howard-lutnick-2011-9

[sheshe2]

60. I just came off this link.

You will like it, heartbreaking as it is.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028993065

How dare anyone question Cantor or Obama. How dare them to be so ignorant of the facts.

Here...

Philanthropy[edit]

Edie Lutnick is the author of An Unbroken Bond: The Untold Story of How the 658 Cantor Fitzgerald Families Faced the Tragedy of 9/11 and Beyond. All the proceeds from the sale of the book benefit the Cantor Fitzgerald Relief Fund and the charities it assists.[18]

The Cantor Fitzgerald Relief Fund provided $10 million to families affected by Hurricane Sandy. Howard Lutnick and the Relief Fund "adopted" 19 elementary schools in impacted areas, distributing $1,000 prepaid debit cards to each family from the schools.[19] In total $10 million in funds were given to families affected by the storm.[20]

Two days after the 2013 Moore tornado struck Moore, Oklahoma, killing 24 people and injuring hundreds, Howard Lutnick pledged to donate $2 million to families affected by the tornado. The donation was given out in the form of $1,000 debit cards given out to area families.[21][22]

Each year, on September 11, Cantor Fitzgerald and its affiliate BGC Partners donate 100% of their revenue to charitable causes on their annual Charity Day which was originally established to raise money to assist the families of Cantor employees who died in the World Trade Center attacks.[23] Since its inception, Charity Day has raised $110 million for charities globally.[24]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantor_Fitzgerald

[musette_sf]

61. +1 xoxo

[sheshe2]

63. Yup.

[AngryAmish]

75. "...then fuck you forever. You're the asshole."

Truer words have never been spoken to me. I will always remember that.

This CantorFitzgerald publicist is the moral conscience that America deserves.

[NastyRiffraff]

87. +1,000,000

I have nothing to add. You said it all, and eloquently. Thank you.

[JCanete]

67. I will say that I wish Sanders hadn't gone as far as to say distasteful. Beyond that, I'm glad Obama

can command that kind of price-tag for speaking, and I don't like begrudging him it, but it is not a good precedent to continue. It is a shitty as fuck precedent to continue. So, while I won't go as far as to say he should not have done it, I will say I wish he had not.

[Jamaal510]

68. K&R

[underthematrix]

71. KARMA has scheduled an appointment with Bernie so I wouldn't worry

This kind of PBOEnvy doesn't even register for President Obama.

[Squinch]

78. Karma always seems to me to take too long. But I'm like that.

[NurseJackie]

83. Tempus veritas revelat ...

Time reveals the truth.

[Squinch]

77. Sanders has the same... er... talent that Trump has to always place himself in the middle

of the maelstrom and look around innocently and say, "Oh, it's not a big deal." I think both think it's a good thing for them personally because it gets them a lot of publicity.

In fact, for everyone around them its a very destructive thing. Everything he does is divisive and often he seems to be trying to be divisive, as in his bizarre need to give a mayoral candidate a national level endorsement during a tour that was supposed to bring unity to Democrats.

He's either doing this intentionally or he is completely tone deaf. One thing I know for sure, he does not have much respect for ME and my rights that I consider to be most important.

[spooky3]

79. If BS had been offered $400k to speak as a private

Citizen, either before or after serving in public office, I suspect very strongly that he would see nothing wrong with it.

[underthematrix]

90. I'm still waiting for Sanders to resolve this

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/bernie-sanders-not-file-2016-finances-article-1.2756267

[spooky3]

94. Good point

[ehrnst]

111. Or offered that much in private plane transportation and lodging

to speak to crowds concerning the mistakes that the Democratic party is making, and how economic populism takes priority over "identity issues," that the Democratic party has referred to as "social justice issues" and "health care."

Can't imagine anyone who would find that distasteful.

[fun n serious]

80. KNR nt

[NastyRiffraff]

85. I have issues with this too

Sanders joins Trump(!) yes, TRUMP(!) in trashing someone whom many of us still refer to as "my president." It's time he goes away. Or joins the Republicans whom he seems to have more in common with than Democrats.

[Progressive dog]

86. Distasteful but expected

based on history.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

93. I didn't even know!!

I avoid media so much......
Wow. This reallllllllly changes my perception of Bernie. I don't usually read the various bashing threads...
Wow. NOT cool, Bernie.

[sheshe2]

123. Hugs babe

[onetexan]

95. Jealousy

Bernie is resentful & his words &behavior post-election wreaks it.

[ehrnst]

96. Thank you. (nt)

[sheshe2]

99. You are welcome, ehrnst.

Plus I survived the inevitable......

[Demsrule86]

102. Well said. NT

[sheshe2]

107. Thank you, Demsrule. nt

[alarimer]

114. He's not trashing anyone.

That's a lie.

[Iggo]

115. .

[JHan]

129. No it is not a lie, his comments insinuated corruption.

He made a fucking equivocation between Obama and Trump.

[melman]

136. No they didn't

and no he didn't.

[JHan]

137. yeah.

he did.

[ehrnst]

133. "Distasteful" ain't praise. (nt)

[PatrickforO]

118. Sigh...

Yet another thread trashing Bernie.

Bernie did criticize several of Obama's positions, as did I. In particular his drone policies and the secrecy in which the TPP was negotiated, with the democracy-killing ISDS provisions. Those things didn't work for me, sheshe. Yet, I did love Obama and genuinely believe he will go down in history as a great president. And a great man.

Just like FDR, who of course merited criticism because of his slowness in even acknowledging the injustice of Jim Crow and segregation. Yet FDR, too, was a great president and a great man.

Bernie isn't perfect either. But I sure do like his policies. And did you see Warren on Bill Maher last night? What a firebrand! Would that she will run in 2020! I'll hit the streets, cane and all, in her support!

It is my considered opinion (and yes I have a right to it, same as you do to yours) that we need to keep pounding at the economic justice these two are talking about. The meme that social justice is more important than economic justice is just right wing garbage designed to divide us. If our government, which supposedly is a government of, by and for the people, actually used our tax money for programs that benefit Americans by rebuilding our infrastructure, investing in the education of our children and grandchildren, preserving freedom of choice for women, enacting laws that support equal pay for equal work, expanding Social Security and implementing Medicare for all Americans instead of where it goes now, which is to line corporate coffers, then we'd all be better off.

Because the overwhelming majority of us can ALL get behind those things.

Then, when we get the progressives in power, we can overturn Citizens United, get corporate money out of politics, reenact the Fairness Doctrine, and begin pounding on social justice when we can actually get the word out without it being ignored - because the teeth of Fox news and hate-talk radio will be pulled.

Oh, well...are we smart enough to accomplish this? Do we have the political guts? Do we as a people have the perseverance to actually dig for the facts, and find out the truth about stuff so that a better decision at the polls can be made?

Nah.

Long sigh.

[sheshe2]

119. Patrick, you need to do a little research or at least read the thread before you comment.

The post and thread have nothing to do with drones and TPP. It was comments from Sanders calling Obama's paid speech $400,000, 09/17, at Cantor Fitzgerald distasteful. How dare he get speaking fees. How dare the black President do what every white President has done.

Now before you go off on oligarchs and wall street, please research Cantor Fitzgerald, their is plenty of info about them in this thread.

Hmmmm......interesting.

Do we as a people have the perseverance to actually dig for the facts, and find out the truth about stuff so that a better decision at the polls can be made?

Nah.

Long sigh.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

124. PLEEAZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

DON'T TRASH THE SACRED BERNIE SANDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KTM]

134. +1

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

121. Disgusting cry for attention

[sheshe2]

122. Yup.

Luv ya!

[stonecutter357]

126. the most respected President of our time.

[sheshe2]

127. Hey you!

That he is, stonecutter.

[David__77]

128. Do you have a similar critique of Sen. Warren?

...

[sheshe2]

131. Do you?

[David__77]

132. I find the comments somewhat approximate.

...

[Thinkingabout]

130. We do not need to do RW work,we have our work to do.

[lillypaddle]

135. Preach!

WTF is his problem with President Obama???? Jealous like Trump is?

[workinclasszero]

138. It is divisive as hell

I cannot envision why Bernie is bashing President Obama in the face of the most dangerous fanatic and his evil party that is now running the show.

I mean, seriously! What the FUCK Bernie!?

[sheshe2]

141. I fully agree with you.

These are very dangerous times for us. tRump is the enemy we should be fighting and we need to focus on 2018 as well. We need the House and Senate back.

[Quayblue]

140. K&R nt