Geez.. the optics say a lot.

[fun n serious]

Link to tweet

[dsc]

1. what is wrong with the picture on the left?

[bettyellen]

2. It's the same woman in both pics- giving the white power salute in one.

Cassandra something. She's a scammer, worked w Russian media and helped the Sanders campaign.

[dsc]

3. They look similar but I don't think it is the same woman

she could be but I don't think she is from looking.

[bettyellen]

5. She said well known on Twitter. Cassandra something- the blonde is new for

Her switch from Berner to conservative but it appears it's her alright. She's a loud mouthed opportunist. There's tons of "ex republicans" claiming to be progressive now and some- like her- reversing course in the opposite direction.

[sharp_stick]

7. No it's her Cassandra Fairbanks

Personally I think she was scamming Sanders the whole time. She's always been a "little off", or better "nutty as a squirrel turd" to me, although I never really paid that much attention to her.

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-37507542

[ehrnst]

55. It is the same woman. (nt)

[PJMcK]

6. White Power salute?

The picture on the right shows two people making "Okay" signs. My Google search for "White Power Salute" turned up images of the Nazi salute and a similar angle of the arm but with a closed fist.

When did the thumb-forefinger circle with three extended fingers become a racist gesture?

Thanks, in advance.

[bettyellen]

8. It's been popularized for appx two years on Twitter as such-

It's weird but that's where a lot of symbolism gains traction now.

[sharp_stick]

9. It's a repurposed symbol

by the alt-right Pepe loving losers. It's hard for these mental midgets to come up with something original so much like Pepe himself they just stole it.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/pepe-the-frog-ok-symbol-%F0%9F%91%8C

[NutmegYankee]

14. Note the "This submission is currently being researched & evaluated!" statement

I consider this OK hand sign is sign for alt-right to be bullshit. The only source is twitter and we ALL know that twitter is never wrong or misleading

Not to mention that a white supremacist wouldn't support a Jewish candidate for office.

[bettyellen]

21. She's a media opportunist more than anything- hitched herself to whatever free publicity she could

Muster over the years. So yeah, when you denigrate hard working people as establishment you can end up associating with flakey assholes like her. Is it shocking that opportunist try and ride people's coat tails? It happens all the time.

[sharp_stick]

26. I don't think she ever supported him

She was using him, it seems to be her MO.

[MindPilot]

12. Yes, that is the white power gang sign.

The three fingers are spread apart to represent a "W" and the thumb and forefinger represent a "P". It's been around for several years used by the nazi skinheads. 45 throws it all the time during his speeches. Leaves no doubt about who these people are and what they represent.

[NutmegYankee]

19. Not shown on the ADL website.

https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/white-power-hand-sign

I think this "meme" is just a false flag to embarrass the left.

[R B Garr]

24. Your link shows it as well as a picture.

https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/white-power-hand-sign

?itok=X8HZIFTs

[NutmegYankee]

47. A dual hand sign with the p right side up.

Very different from the OK symbol.

[pkdu]

76. Do it yourself , right now.

Do you deliberately separate as widely as possible Pinky/Ring/Middle fingers to form a "W" ?

[NutmegYankee]

81. My fingers naturally spread apart.

I try to pull them together, but can't. May have some to do with nerve damage from degenerative disk disease.

[MindPilot]

33. You credit these alt-right twits with way more cleverness than I think exists.

And I'm not even sure how that would work.

Head Planning Dude at Alt-Right HQ: "Hey let's make the stupid leftists believe that "A-OK" actually means "White Power" and then after a few years, we'll tell them that it was really just us demonstrating our approval of Trump's latest speech. Boy that'll make those libtards look dumb! They'll be so confused they won't even notice that we are white supremacists."

Random Aryan: "ummm...?"

[NutmegYankee]

51. No, it looks like we are hysterical regarding racism to independents.

A normal person off the street is going to say "that's an OK symbol" and agree that the left has gone overboard on seeing racism everywhere once the right starts that argument - and you know they will.

We like to assume are opponents are stupid, but they can be clever - evil and clever. Do not underestimate them.

[k8conant]

22. Well, the "Okay" signs are "A$$hole" signs in many cultures--

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OK_(gesture)

OK (gesture)

Negative connotation
While the gesture is not positive in some countries, in certain parts of middle and southern Europe (although not in Spain or Portugal) the gesture is considered offensive,[6] as in you are a zero or you are nothing.[not in citation given] The connotation of zero or worthless is known in France and Belgium, while in some Mediterranean countries such as Turkey, Tunisia, and Greece, in the Middle East, as well as in Brazil and parts of Germany, and several South American countries, it may be interpreted as a vulgar expression: either an insult (you are an asshole), the slang for anus itself, or an offensive reference to homosexuality.[1][7][8]

I don't take it as racist, just vulgar.

[SomethingNew]

29. That's a meme

4channers started a "prank" to get liberals to think the okay sign was a white power sign. It isn't and I seriously doubt the people doing it see it as such.

[bettyellen]

32. But it actually did take off and WP people DO use it in Twitter....

They want their cake (denial) while eating it (flashing the signs) too. Sorry, they ARE doing it on Twitter and it is what it is.

[The Polack MSgt]

4. This.

D.B.Anderson? @DBAnderson1 45m45 minutes ago
Replying to @marcushjohnson

That is @CassandraRules who works for Sputnik News, RT, and was a Bernie supporter. She covered #blm protests and then betrayed those people

I can't stop punching back at the double standards, and triangulation - It sure does feel like our Liberal Lions want a slice of the deplorable pie

[kcr]

10. Yep. But can't call them out on it or you're divisive. Or you're stuck in primary season.

This is clearly the direction they want to go and it should be fought hard by any liberal/progressive with common decency and sense.

[Nanjeanne]

11. So what you are saying is at one time she was a Bernie supporter and that's when the picture was

taken - but then she turned and now she is a right wing person who supports White Power.

She sounds like a nutjob - but I fail to see how Sanders is responsible for her decisions to move from supporting him to being a Trump flipper.

[R B Garr]

13. It shows how the opportunists and scammers glommed onto him

and his divisive messages which they used as a wedge. It shows more than that, but alerts and all...

[Nanjeanne]

18. No it shows that this person "glommed" on to Sanders for whatever her own reasons are. I couldn't

begin to guess. Anyone who does is just stating their opinion of her motives. It says nothing at all about Bernie Sander's message - which obviously is "divisive" to you and some people for your own reasons - but not to many many others.

[R B Garr]

27. Well, I doubt she started loving Wall Street billionaires and oligarchs

overnight, do you? She obviously saw how to use his divisiveness against Democrats and now she's making white power signs. I'm sure she didn't just change overnight, so it's not hard to figure out what her motives are/were.

[Nanjeanne]

39. I have no idea what she obviously saw. I just see a pic of Sanders with her when she supported him.

Maybe you have some decoder ring that gives you better insight into her relationship with Sanders and the many times they talked policy and shared a beer.

[R B Garr]

44. Yes, a decoder ring is necessary in evaluating the many mixed messages of the

"Revolution."

[Nanjeanne]

50. And the mixed messages of the Democratic Party . . . and the Democratic Underground -

different folks . . . and all that jazz.

[R B Garr]

52. Going from hating billionaires to supporting billionaires

looks like quite a leap in logic. That's just for starters, given that the subject at hand are the pictures posted in the OP.

[Nanjeanne]

58. You are right but how it has anything to do with Sanders I simply don't know. But if you have to

win . . . I give up . . . you win!

[Eko]

15. OF course Sanders is not responsible

but neither is Obama responsible for all of Wall Street actions by giving a speech to one firm. Sanders said of Obama ""I just think it does not look good," it equally doesn't look good when you have your picture taken with with a former supporter that is someone who flashes white power symbols at the white house. It doesn't look good, that is all.

[Nanjeanne]

20. Are there people saying Obama is responsible for ALL of Wall Street actions by giving a

speech to one firm?

Sanders said "I just think it does not look good". I agree with Sanders. I don't like the way it looks and would have preferred he not get a very large amount of money to speak to a Wall Street firm but it's Pres. Obama's choice. I can only control my response to it - not what he chooses to do.

How that has anything to do with Sanders and this Cassandra person - I can't fathom. Did Sanders stand up next to her when she was giving the "White Power" salute? Or speaking out against Black Lives Matter? If he posed with her yesterday - maybe you have a point and there's some comparison you can make -- otherwise . . . no, not so much.

[Eko]

25. Because it doesnt look good

but imparts no more information beyond that. Exactly the same as with Obama. Pretty simple really. They are both guilt by association, if Sanders can do it, why cant others?

[Nanjeanne]

38. We will have to agree to disagree since I don't see any comparison based on anything thought out.

[Eko]

40. You cant see guilt by association in both cases?

[Nanjeanne]

41. No sorry. I see Sanders standing next to someone who said she supported him. Was she a big figure

at that time in the White Power movement? Had she attended Neo-Nazi rallies that Bernie should have known about.

This is just so stupid - I have to reread my tag line and remember to remember it!

[Eko]

42. And I see Obama

giving a speech, what do you see in that case?

[Nanjeanne]

48. I see Obama giving a speech as well. Personally I would have liked him giving a speech on

a number of topics like income inequality, voter suppression, regret on not pushing harder on the public option - and maybe speaking at a place like the Carter Center. Or giving a speech where tickets were by lottery and people like me would have a chance to hear him.

But he didn't ask me my opinion. He can do whatever he wants. I just have a right to my opinion on whether I'm disappointed in it being a talk to a Wall Street firm - for a boatload of money.

And yes, I know, Cantor Fitzgerald and 9/11. I also know Canter Fitzgerald and $6 million and ordered disgorgement of nearly $1.3 million in commissions, plus interest, for selling billions of unregistered microcap shares in violation of federal law. And Cantor Fitzgerald and their sports-betting affiliate has agreed to pay $22.5 million in penalties and forfeiture to the U.S. government in conjunction with its involvement in illegal gambling and money laundering.

So . . . everyone has a right to make choices and everyone has a right to react to those choices. Hey - that's what makes America (and should make the Democratic Party) great!

[Cha]

63. The "optics" make BS a hypocrite after knee-jerking on President Obama

giving a Speech in September to Cantor-Fitzgerald as "distasteful" when he didn't know a damn thing about it..

Why Obama SHOULD Make That Speech - And Take The Paycheck For It Too

snip//

Oh, and by the way — he’s giving this speech at their annual healthcare conference… a subject that Obama cares deeply about — and will forever be associated with since his signature healthcare legislation has been dubbed “Obamacare”. It’s also an issue that Cantor Fitzgerald championed even while still reeling from the losses they suffered on 9/11, by promising to cover the health care of the families of their lost employees for 10 years!!

More..
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/4/28/1657222/-Why-Obama-SHOULD-Make-That-Speech-And-Take-The-Paycheck-For-It-Too

[Nanjeanne]

65. Yes Cha - the "optics" to YOU make Bernie Sanders a hypocrite - but everyone knows how you feel.

Thanks for sharing although I hadn't forgotten I've tried but I just can't quit you.

Oh and thanks for the link to a Daily Kos opinion piece by someone named Maureen.

[Cha]

69. The optics for BS in the OP are distasteful withhout knowing the details.

BS finds President Obama "distasteful" without know any details.. unless he did know and chose not to reveal them.

[Eko]

45. How about this

Why do you think it looks bad for Obama to give a speech to a wall street firm?

[Nanjeanne]

49. see above.

[Eko]

54. You didn't answer

Why you think it doesn't look good just what you would have preferred. So why doesn't it look good?

[Nanjeanne]

61. Heavens Officer Krupke - I didn't realize I had to answer exactly the way you insisted - but here:

I think it doesn't look good because he has been out of office for a very short time and still is the standard-bearer for the Democratic Party - because the Democrats are struggling to win elections and Wall Street firms are not at the top of the "like" column for many many voting Democrats - because taking a fee of $400,000 seems like a huge payout by an industry that seems to be excessive in the eyes of many people that the Democrats need coming out to vote for them. Many people may understand why Wall Street was bailed out but still be resentful that they are now bigger than ever, are still giving out huge salaries and bonuses, still supporting more deregulation all the while middle class and working poor people are struggling to save any money or seeing their retirement funds diminishing and public pensions being raided and I'm very concerned that Democrats will keep losing elections if they are perceived as the party that stands with the uber-wealthy and Wall Street.

But obviously that's not a big issue here on DU. *shrug*

[Eko]

66. So

Guilt by association. Thought so.

[Nanjeanne]

67. OMG 😲

You are hysterically funny. I didn't realize your posts were satire. Thanks! Best laugh of the day.

[Eko]

68. Cool.

Yup, cause that wall street firm is responsible for what other firms have done that was bad. And because that firm is responsible for what other firms have done and Obama is giving a speech to them on health care it looks bad, why does it "look" bad?, because of guilt by association. This is a simple logical thing and the fact that you cant get it and think it's funny is pretty sad. Now if it was Goldman Sachs you would have a case, but its not and you don't.

[Cha]

70. THANK YOU

[Eko]

73. Its always nice

when Cha says thanks to you!
Thank you Cha!

[Cha]

74. Yeah,

'cause I got good taste. lol

You're , Eko

[Eko]

78. Thanks!

[Cha]

80. ..

[MindPilot]

17. She sure got a lot whiter when she made the transition.

[kcr]

23. So, what you're saying is, there's no way for a person to tell if a white supremacist is using them?

Like it's just one of those gee, don't you hate that when that happens kind of thing. Happens to everyone!

[Nanjeanne]

43. I guess I'm not up-to-date on the big people in the White Supremacist movement. Was she a speaker

at rallies prior to this pic being taken? Did she write manifestos on white power that have been published?

My answer to you would be - if it was David Duke - then yes, the optics are bad and Bernie should have known better. But it's my understanding that her conversion came rather lately - so, while I think Bernie has been very prescient in how things like deregulation of Wall Street and voting for the Iraq War, etc would turn out - I don't see that he would make a killing on the Psychic Hotline and know that this Cassandra person would become a Trump supporter after he took a picture with her!

[bettyellen]

35. Opportunists going to glom on to people, and yeah the "optics" thing is going to bite em back.

[David__77]

16. So what?

Meg Whitman supported Clinton. I don't think that makes Clinton guilty of Whitman's transgressions- just for instance.

[Qutzupalotl]

28. Bernie should vet everyone who asks for a photo with him.

[Cha]

64. BS should not be a hypocrite on "optics" when he knee-jerked

and knew nothing about the speech President Obama is going to give in September at Cantor-Fitzgerald.

Why Obama SHOULD Make That Speech - And Take The Paycheck For It Too

snip//

Oh, and by the way — he’s giving this speech at their annual healthcare conference… a subject that Obama cares deeply about — and will forever be associated with since his signature healthcare legislation has been dubbed “Obamacare”. It’s also an issue that Cantor Fitzgerald championed even while still reeling from the losses they suffered on 9/11, by promising to cover the health care of the families of their lost employees for 10 years!!

More..
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/4/28/1657222/-Why-Obama-SHOULD-Make-That-Speech-And-Take-The-Paycheck-For-It-Too

[melman]

30. You've got to be fucking kidding me with this shit

This thread is a new low. Disgraceful.

[kentuck]

31. Not the same woman.

It's bullshit.

[bettyellen]

34. It's the same flakey opportunist. She's well known for grand standing for $$.

[kentuck]

36. Did she put on a wig and glasses...

just to throw us off the trail?

[R B Garr]

37. If you Google her pic, there's one with a Clinton Cash

book and she's wearing a Hillary for Prison shirt. Also pics with Bernie signs. Now she's giving white power signs at Trumps White House. Not hard to figure out her motives.

[kentuck]

46. Did Bernie know her personally?

Or was this just a photo that's taken with politicians, like millions of others?

[ehrnst]

56. More on her support of Bernie, before her "switch" to Trump

Reading the whole thread helps to place her.

Link to tweet

[R B Garr]

57. The optics are what is in question. nt

[rockfordfile]

53. A racist conservative dirtbag

[ehrnst]

59. She's been called "bro bait"

Attractive young woman cheerleading Bernie and Assange and trashing Hillary...

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-37507542

Now she trashes BLM, helped to break the Wiener emails story. Got a whole lot of guys, hook line and sinker.

[Skittles]

60. Rosalynn Carter endorsed serial killers

[Cha]

62. Yeah, the "optics" look really bad for BS.. especially

after his knee jerking on President Obama going to give a speech in September to Cantor-Fitzgerald and their annual Health Conference..

Why Obama SHOULD Make That Speech - And Take The Paycheck For It Too

snip//

Oh, and by the way — he’s giving this speech at their annual healthcare conference… a subject that Obama cares deeply about — and will forever be associated with since his signature healthcare legislation has been dubbed “Obamacare”. It’s also an issue that Cantor Fitzgerald championed even while still reeling from the losses they suffered on 9/11, by promising to cover the health care of the families of their lost employees for 10 years!!

More..
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/4/28/1657222/-Why-Obama-SHOULD-Make-That-Speech-And-Take-The-Paycheck-For-It-Too

[Trial_By_Fire]

71. Looks like the same people after E.Warren are after Sanders too...

I hope people will figure out that the money-class are after any and all politicians
who are promoting the progressive/FDR policies and issues.

I would think the DemocraticUnderground posters would support Sanders as
he is on our side in a big way...

[pnwmom]

82. Obama was on our side in a big way. But that didn't mean he was always supported here. n/t

[Laura PourMeADrink]

72. so who are those people - except for Bernie?

[pnwmom]

83. They're both alt-right people now.

She used to pose as a lefty. (And she writes for Sputnik news.)

[MuseRider]

75. Oh for F***'s sake

one word............. Kissinger. Now there were some optics.

[HoneyBadger]

77. The guy on the right looks like Ryan Gosling

Whoa.......

[HoneyBadger]

79. I think that 4chan could make FETCH happen

O-KKK