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SHRED

(28,136 posts)
Sun May 7, 2017, 01:13 PM May 2017

Tearing down the separation of church and state

This has many consequences.

One of the biggest is that tax exempt money (religious organization) is impossible to trace. This can open the door to the development of huge unaccounted for slush funding pools for candidates.

Citizen's United on steroids.

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Tearing down the separation of church and state (Original Post) SHRED May 2017 OP
I agree. While most churches wouldn't do this, there are some that would. hrmjustin May 2017 #1
And be sure there will be duncang May 2017 #2
Doesn't take many n2doc May 2017 #3
People have been calling for this for decades. Igel May 2017 #4
If this OP is a reference to Trump's Executive Order former9thward May 2017 #5
FFRF sues Trump over church politicking yortsed snacilbuper May 2017 #6

Igel

(35,300 posts)
4. People have been calling for this for decades.
Sun May 7, 2017, 02:38 PM
May 2017

Usually it's calling for more interference of state in church. Limits, taxes, restrictions. At least on mainstream, "we don't like you" churches.


Religious organizations don't have untraceable money. I was bookkeeper for one. It's traceable. The books are public, or at least were.


I personally think that they have the same sort of moral status as unions: They're large free associations of citizens for a specific cause. To this extent, they're citizen-controlled. If a Methodist church wants to put money to a (R) or (D) candidate, the congregation will know; it will approve or disapprove, and take appropriate action. Those who disagree will leave, leaving the church more polarized and with less money; others will be attracted, bringing in more money and even more polarization. I think it's a bad thing, but to each his own.

In the end, the wise church that has no mainstream pretensions will eschew meddling too much in politics. After all, look at the unions: It's brought a lot of bad people to power and led to a lot of corruption, it's brought resentment on the part of many who didn't want to pay for union political support, it's led to unions supporting politicians who pass their legislation (typically viewed as buying the politicians, unless it's for the right cause, then it's a grand and glorious thing, money for legal defense of yours and legal oppression of the enemy). Even when I was a TA union member, I refused to pay the non-obligatory part of the dues, and still knew that the "full time" employees my dues go toward spent a lot of their time coordinating with lobbyists and working on political causes. They'd meet to discuss "union representation" but talk about something entirely different--and who's going to audit the private conversations behind closed doors? Personally, when I want to contribute to a party or campaign, I do so, and would prefer my union or my church stay uninvolved.

former9thward

(31,997 posts)
5. If this OP is a reference to Trump's Executive Order
Sun May 7, 2017, 03:14 PM
May 2017

even the ACLU said the EO was a restating of US government policy for decades. That is why the ACLU declined to file a court case against it.

yortsed snacilbuper

(7,939 posts)
6. FFRF sues Trump over church politicking
Sun May 7, 2017, 03:20 PM
May 2017

The Freedom From Religion Foundation will legally challenge President Trump over his “religious liberty” executive order today. The order and Trump’s repeated statements clearly communicate to churches that they can now endorse political candidates from the pulpit.

FFRF’s lawsuit was filed on May 4 in the U.S. District Court, Western District of Wisconsin. FFRF and co-plaintiffs FFRF Executive Directors Dan Barker and Annie Laurie Gaylor assert that Trump has used this order to usher in a new era of church politicking to the exclusion of secular organizations.

See more at: https://ffrf.org/news/news-releases/item/29320-ffrf-sues-trump-over-church-politicking#sthash.G6BRuhlr.dpuf

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