If I or anyone else wants to read Mensch and Taylor, it's really NOYDB. Sure I'm not alone on this

[Madam45for2923]

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Funny all these attacks on her today. I and others consider her to be an ally.

If you don't buy her ideas, fine. That is your opinion, but others will continue to read her.

I have her back because she is putting herself out there and her safety on the line. She is researching things that no one including MSM is bothering with.

To me she is a soldier fighting for the USA. Brit she. Our country is worth fighting for.

She has shared that she has ADHD which is a curse and a blessing. It explains her research and methods. Hyperfocused and able to see connections from lots and lots of data... which is what the Trump/Russia is made of.

I for one am thankful for her time and energy.

Dear LM carry on! Brave woman and patriot.

edit:

I love this quote from Charlotte Little:

If I or anyone else wants to read Mensch and Taylor, it's really NOYDB.

I personally hope their right even if they get the details all squirrelly. In the meantime, I follow them on twitter just as I follow Maddow and O'Donnell. I'm a big girl, all grown up and capable of deciding for myself what I think is possible and what's not. Has nothing to do with it being "helpful for some purpose." Photo by Phil Hawksworth source http://www.flickr.com/photos/philhawksworth/5037670666/

I would imagine I'm not alone on this.

[SecularMotion]

1. Ask yourself these questions

1. Is that person a reporter for a legitimate news outlet?

2. If this person tweets a claim attributed to an anonymous source, do they follow that claim up with any reporting?

3. Does this person have credentials relevant to the subject matter they’re discussing?

4. Are this person’s claims drastically out of step with what’s currently being reported?

5. Why would a high-level official leak to this specific person?

6. Am I only tweeting this because it makes me feel good?

I don't believe she's credible and I am highly suspect of her motives.

[Mr. Ected]

4. Ask yourself this question

Will I recant my dismissal of her credibility if time bears out her reporting on the subject?

We are in the middle of a top-secret investigation of dozens of individuals. Our only source of true information is leaks. That is true, for the most part, of the Twitter stars (Mensch, Taylor, et al.) and the MSM (WaPo, NYT).

It is too early to assail any of these sources.

Only in retrospect will we know whether they are veritable or whether they are liars.

Your assessment jumps the gun, IMHO.

[sharedvalues]

102. Well put. nm

[mhw]

330. Is Mensch any less credible than MSM?

MSM (Mourning Joe et al) is quoted & linked and that is fine to do so.
However I take what Louise says with the same interest as MSM.
I find her & Taylor incredibly interesting in the fact there intel sources do not come through the same channels as MSM.
Some of their intel sources exist outside the predictable channels.
They come from the Five Eyes who aren't under the same direction & control of our US media.

The Five Eyes, often abbreviated as FVEY, is an intelligence alliance comprising Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States.

I will certainly read Mensch, Taylor etc, and sincerely hope they are correct in the end.

I don't see what the big to-do is suddenly.
I'm more than ready to look elsewhere for current political events, considering how devoted our US media was 24/7 to DTrump throughout the campaign.
They get no pass from me for their role.
Thank you

[SoCalMusicLover]

352. Will You Do Likewise?

ABSOLUTELY I will recant!

We're all Democrats here. We all would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to see Drumpf indicted or impeached.

Just because some of us don't get unrealistically optimistic about rumors which are most likely false, does not mean we don't want the same thing.

I will gladly come to DU and say how completely wrong I was. Somehow I doubt all the cheerleaders rallying behind these rumors, will do likewise.

[Mr. Ected]

353. I don't think I'll have anything to recant, actually

My whole point is that it is too early to know whether any of these sources are veritable or not. Time will tell. There are many who have already condemned the integrity of these sources, prior to their reports being verified or not. They're the ones who'll need to address their own skepticism.

I'm keeping an open mind, fully cognizant that none of this has been corroborated, and some of it most likely will not be proven until introduced in a court of law.

[sarah FAILIN]

5. Your questions are funny, but #4....

How do you think any new information is ever found out if you only consider a valid item one that others are already reporting? That makes zero sense..

If you don't like her, don't read anything she posts. Simple as that.

[SticksnStones]

79. Winner winner chicken dinner. nt

One of the refreshing things about reading online citizen journalists is they aren't constrained by the false "both sides do it" that traditional journalists twist themselves through.

They say what they've found. Believe it. Don't believe it. Doesn't matter to them.

[KPN]

81. +1

[Charlotte Little]

197. I keep saying this...

For some reason, certain somebodies don't want those of us rubber-necking Mensch to do so when in fact they can just ignore her and us.

[L. Coyote]

12. Ask yourself the Woodward and Bernstein question. Is this the best version of the truth today?

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What you are doing is not only divisive, it is a list of right-wing talking points which can be condensed to a trump quote, "Fake news."

Louise Mensch is a former member of the British Parliament who has connections in the British intelligence community and is a conduit of information they wish to make publicly known. She also has connections to the author of the Steele Dossier.

Please, tell us about your intel connections and the exclusive reporting you have done. I'd love to compare your sources and work with hers.[center]

https://twitter.com/LouiseMensch

[KPN]

82. +2

[malaise]

134. Good post

I'm reading LMs tweets. Truth will out

[BlueCaliDem]

254. Wonderful post! So TRUE. eom

[mountain grammy]

285. Yes, I've asked myself that question,

and decided to continue to follow LM, along with other sources.

[brush]

32. You can rail at her all you want. You don't have to believe her but don't try to get others to do...

what you say or think how you think.

DUers are not stupid.

We'll make up our own minds.

Whether what she ways is true or not, it'll play out.

[L. Coyote]

193. This thread totally covers the situation:

1. A fact doesn't go away just bc a bunch of livid one-sided Putin/Trump/Alt right OR LEFT trolls try to attack Claude & Louise.
2. So in all your foaming at the mouth & LYING about them being wrong when they've been proven right repeatedly on BIG stuff, remember that
3. When you keep trying to discredit those delivering the information despite repeated clarifications, you've LOST before you started.
4. Facts are stubborn like that, they don't go away. No matter how much mud you sling at @TrueFactsStated & @LouiseMensch Trump IS indicted.
5. And that's because it's a reality that cannot be changed. The amount of time people are wasting trying to discredit is staggering. STOP.

Link to tweet

[Madam45for2923]

202. Nice thread! Yep! Truth will out!

Thanks for posting.

[Chemisse]

206. No. Facts don't go away. But this is not yet a fact.

Things aren't true just because you want them to be true.

I'm not sure what all the hyperbole is about, regarding this issue. Time will tell if the sealed indictment rumors are true. In the meantime, we need to keep a focus on reality.

[Madam45for2923]

209. Truth will out. Yes!

[Madam45for2923]

213. Q: What is your opinion about the Trump/Russia collusion? Do believe it is "fake news"?

[Chemisse]

225. I believe it happened, but it won't be a 'fact' until the evidence is revealed or acknowledged.

So 'news' saying that collusion definitely happened would not be legitimate at this point.

Reality matters.

[Madam45for2923]

237. Ought we get to the bottom of it... or nah!

[seaglass]

41. I'm with you and I find this embarrassing after what we just went through with "Hillary Murders" and

"Pizza Parlor Pedophiles." Those people also found some kernel of truth that started them down these paths and then began believing everything they were fed because they WANTED to believe it. We should all be more skeptical not less.

[KPN]

84. Those were implausible bizarre stories. This one is not.

Why with what is at stake at this point would you discredit any potential insight into what may actually be going on? Why would you not consider something that seems quite plausible?

[womanofthehills]

88. Sounds like more Republican talking points to me

You think we should be skeptical of intelligent people on our side whose tweets have proved true.

[seaglass]

94. Nah, I just don't want to see this website turn into another version of JPR by people who so

want to believe something that they throw out their critical thinking skills.

[womanofthehills]

106. You are being very insulting to DU posters

DU is the opposite of JPR and it will never ever turn into that Russia loving site.

[Demsrule86]

143. Not even close to the same thing...there is a Russian investigation.

[seaglass]

147. No kidding. And there is both credible information and unreliable information. n/t

[Demsrule86]

188. And your point? We don't need to have to decide who is credible and who is not...

Right wing is an easy call...but what you are suggesting would be difficult and credible sources are often in the eye of the beholder.

[Madam45for2923]

215. Demsrule! I like your point.

If you don't mind can you explain further? I think it goes to the heart of the matter about situation of people trying to discredit Taylor & Mensch out of hand.

[Demsrule86]

260. We don't need this website or any for that matter having to decide who is credible an who is

not which is what some are calling for...people have different ideas about credible...and I would like to point out that others including Scarborough are saying there may be indictments for Trump as has been reported by Louise. This is about Sen. Sanders...she said something critical of him apparently...don't know what it was...but if you don't like someone don't read about him/her. I would not wish to decide for others who can be considered credible nor would I want to have others decide for me.

[Madam45for2923]

214. Q: What is your opinion about the Trump/Russia collusion? Do believe it is "fake news"?

[seaglass]

223. I think it's possible hope it is true but believe it is unproven. n/t

[Demsrule86]

304. I disagree...Mike Flynn's actions and Sessions perjury show it is true.

[Demsrule86]

247. That is ridiculous...Louise is no such thing and I wonder why you would say such a thing...

Was the Pizza guy a member of Parliment? No Alex Jones...

[Bernardo de La Paz]

49. Answers to your questions re Mensch

1. No, but that does not disqualify her. It's a fact to be considered. However she proceeds with the same level of professionalism on the TrumpRussia scandal as reporters from outlets you would consider legitimate.

2. Yes, she does.

3. By now she is so deep into this subject matter that she is more credible than just about anybody except an FBI forensic accountant. On other stuff, not so much but on TrumpRussia she has a good track record.

4. No, they are not drastically out of step with the WaPo or Newsweek or LA Times, etc. She is sometimes ahead of them, but in essence her reporting has proved out on the TrumpRussia scheme.

5. Louise Mensch stood up for some people in the Intelligence Community and defended them vigorously and effectively some time back. Ever since they have been leaking to her.

By now she has garnered a good reputation for protecting sources and reporting conscientiously with proper caveats. So people from other high levels of government have leaked to her.

6. No. The three main posters forwarding her articles and tweets to us have been very actively posting other good information on the TrumpRussia treason.

[FSogol]

51. +1 Totally agree. Did everyone forget about Fritzmas?

How'd that turn out?

[OilemFirchen]

121. It's "Fitzmas".

And it was promulgated by a now-banned DUer who commanded an embarrassing amount of respect.

Remember the massive H&R Block hack that didn't happen? Remember who was pushing that bullshit?

I can help if you'd like.

[gldstwmn]

137. I was an avid reader of this site

during the whole Fitzmas uproar. Who was the DUer? Scooter Libby did get indicted. 45 makes W look like Franklin Roosevelt.

[OilemFirchen]

155. W.R. Pitt. (n/t)

[gldstwmn]

360. Wow. I'm surprised.

And I guess I'm not surprised. As I recall he was very ardent in is support of that story.

[JTFrog]

210. Turned out to be an embarrassing hangover.

I don't get the comparison to a drunken hack.

[Madam45for2923]

217. Q: What is your opinion about the Trump/Russia collusion? Do believe it is "fake news"?

[pnwmom]

91. Ask yourself this question: which legitimate news outlet reported on the October FISA warrant

on the Alfa bank and US persons before Louise Mensch did?

As to your other questions.

2. yes.
3. yes, she was a reporter for Heat street, a libertarian publication, and for Fox.
4. yes, she beat every other news outlet to the FISA warrant story. And she was correct.
5. she has the trust of some IC sources because, at the time of the Snowden debacle, she wrote on behalf of the need for the intelligence community not to be outed -- which is what Snowden did with his leaking.
6. no.

[L. Coyote]

138. DU did. And the hackers shut us down.

Louise did not work for Fox, she worked for a start-up news agency owned ultimately by Murdoch, and she was pushed out as editor for being such an avid Never Trumper.

[Demsrule86]

245. This is cut and paste...you posted it before...ask yourself this...

what business is it of yours?

[ananda]

327. And your view is NOMDB!

Each person is fully capable of making their own decisions re Mensch and Taylor.

These threads are ridiculous.

My attitude is always: I'll believe it when I see it.

And that's none of anyone's damn business too!

[WinkyDink]

349. "highly suspect of her motives." And how do you feel about the motives of Trump, Ryan, Tillerson,

McConnell, Mulvaney, DeVos, ..............

[pnwmom]

361. How would you have answered those questions about Bob Woodward and Deep Throat?

1. Yes, he's a reporter from a legit outlet.

2. Yes -- and yes for Mensch, too.

3. No, Woodward was a rookie reporter when he connected with Deep Throat. No relevant credentials.

4. Yes, his reports were drastically out of step.

5. No reason a high level official would leak to this rookie reporter. It turned out just to be a fluke that ever caused them to meet.

6. I would have been tweeting about Woodward/Bernstein, too -- because their posts would have made sense. Same as Taylor/Mensch's.

[woodsprite]

2. I read her, but then try to verify in MSM

as soon as possible. I think people see her as a Stein-type person.

[womanofthehills]

86. And what makes you think she is like Stein???

She hates Putin with a passion - she would never dine with him.

Actually, it often takes months to verify what she says in MSM because she is so way ahead of MSM.

[pnwmom]

362. She is nothing like Stein. She is a never-Trumper who never normalized DT or said Hillary

was just as bad -- unlike Stein.

[Blue_Roses]

3. Seems to be a busy morning

for refuting, berating and being just down-right rude. I could have sworn I was talking to Trump himself on another thread I don't have the energy, nor the time and patience to play with them today.

[anneboleyn]

129. It happens every weekend on DU. Certain posters show up and shit all over DU and threads/stories

that have been discussed during the week. I have seen it happen so many times now that its predictability is irritating. The same little group...every weekend...telling DUers to give up, it's all over, you are all fools, you are all so gullible, etc. How is that truly constructive?!

I have never posted re: Mensch one way or the other but she has reported stories that later appeared in the msm. I don't get the dismal eeyore threads telling us that yes it's all "fake news" and we MUST ACCEPT Trump and his prez for the next few years etc. It just seems very weird to me. I am putting all of them on ignore as I am tired of this crap every weekend.

[Blue_Roses]

165. I definitely see what you mean

I think I took the bait from a few at first this morning, then I realized that they only wanted to argue. No matter how many times I said, "let's agree to disagree", or "you're right, I'm wrong," just to let it go, they still came back striking me down with belittling comments about my character. WTF is wrong with these people !?!? It's exhausting and while it's so natural to want to defend yourself, it's not worth it sometimes.

[bigtree]

6. yep

...more self-defeating, divisive nonsense.

[MineralMan]

7. Nobody can make anybody else a troll.

Trolls are self-made.

[Madam45for2923]

20. MM I like you but I disagree with you if you are saying that LM is a troll.

She is very clear about why she thinks something. She shows her thought processes. She is not hiding an agenda.

She does not wish us (the USA or DEMS) ill. She wishes well.

All of the above is not the case with trolls.

[MineralMan]

24. I mentioned no names at all.

Trolls are where you find them, typically hiding under footbridges.

[Madam45for2923]

29. Trolls is as trolls do.

[Demsrule86]

273. Louise criticized Sen. Sanders. This is why some are so angry. she has been proven right

often though. In Fact, Scarborough said the same thing this morning.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[OxQQme]

329. Message deleted by DU the Administrators

[librechik]

8. If you don't like these people, don't read them--but leave MY reading out of it,pls

I feel sorry for folks desperate to censor for others what they hate for themselves. They need to loosen up, like the rest of us liberals who try to keep themselves informed, without bias.

I remain skeptical (though fascinated) by Mensch's input--She has enormous credibility though, and (as it turns out) I wouldn't reject her just because of her conservative background.

[peggysue2]

97. Agree!

I put my skeptical glasses on while reading a number of these 'citizen journalists.' But I don't ignore their posts, nor do I discount them out of hand. Truth is, Mensch, Schindler, Taylor, Jester, Nance, Hennessey et al have been pretty damn accurate and ahead of the curve. They come at the issues with varying degrees of expertise and contacts. Then, too, the 'mainstream' press is beginning to verify aspects of their reports.

We need to glean information where ever we can attain it, run the facts and details through various filters for confirmation, and then be willing to tip our hats to those who have found the inside track. Doesn't matter whether those reports come from the Washington Post or a citizen journalist feed line.

Heads up, people. We've entered uncharted waters where reality itself is being challenged. Don't shoot the messenger.

[librechik]

112. thx, peggysue2!

and welcome to DU!

[peggysue2]

150. Thanx back for the Welcome

I've actually been around since last year's campaign. Just keeping a low profile. While reading and analyzing material like a maniac. We must stay awake and informed. Where source material comes from is secondary to being armed with the facts, grounded in reality. It's the only way we win, as in survive as a Nation. We shouldn't kid ourselves. This is a war, 21st century-style.

[L. Coyote]

9. Every day has been Attack Louise Day since she reported the FISA warrant.

And DU'ers were among the first to go after her:

FBI has FISA warrant for Trump secret server connected to Russia.

Of course, even those who did got shut down as this thread started to go yuugely viral on election day (see view count) when the hackers shut down DU.

Are we losing sight of how #TrumpRussia started? With the investigation of who hacked the DNC.

[Johnny2X2X]

10. SMH

We hope what she tweets is true. But any reputable journalist would show a little more restraint. For instance, just because she has a source doesn't mean she should tweet what they told her. Do some journalism work, that's what leads to credible and trustworthy news. She simply seems to be throwing whatever she hears at the wall to see what sticks.

Sorry, there are standards that we should demand and she's not even approaching them. Demanding real journalism is something that the Left should view as a must. This is not FOX News or the Free Republic.

[L. Coyote]

13. You are quite wrong.

She does her journalism work. She does verify sources. And when she offers a theory, she calls it a theory. Maybe you should actually read her writing.

Don't be a useful idiot by calling her "FOX News or the Free Republic." That is simply a horrific slander, and you must know it is anything but true.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[Johnny2X2X]

19. Journalists don't offer theories

They report news. She's giving opinion once she goes to her theories. We don't need this BS, it's just more of the same cloudying the news.

[Madam45for2923]

37. We are in dangerous times. This is a time to be REAL.

[womanofthehills]

107. Louise Mensch is NOT clouding the news - she is the news lately.

She obviously has excellent intel connections.

[Madam45for2923]

218. Q: What is your opinion about the Trump/Russia collusion? Do believe it is "fake news"?

[Johnny2X2X]

300. No

It's obvious that Trump colluded with the Russians. Every person in his administration seemingly has ties to Russia. Manafort and Flynn alone are damning and enough for impeachment.

What I think though is that outrageous tweets are being put out to try to make our side look irrational and nutty. This process is going to take a long time, be patient. Sealed indictments are totally baseless for now, let this run its course, we are in step 2 of a 40 step process.

[mythology]

203. There was a time calling another DUer an idiot would be hide worthy

It's very telling that the people in this thread offering insults and name calling are the ones supporting Mensch. It says a lot about the quality of your argument if that is the primary basis.

[Madam45for2923]

207. You are being disingenuous! Poster said don't be an useful idiot. Different than what you r trying

Different than what you are trying to portray.

mythology
203. There was a time calling another DUer an idiot would be hide worthy

It's very telling that the people in this thread offering insults and name calling are the ones supporting Mensch. It says a lot about the quality of your argument if that is the primary basis.

No it is NOT VERY TELLING because it is not true.

[Madam45for2923]

220. Q: What is your opinion about the Trump/Russia collusion? Do believe it is "fake news"?

[Demsrule86]

305. It is still hide worthy.

[womanofthehills]

93. So- sounds like you are not for intel leaks.

What the f**k is "real journalism?" - why so black and white???????

[BannonsLiver]

108. But but she's a "citizen journalist"

Which is something anyone with a twitter account and loads of free time can be. All it takes is a vivid imagination and no training in ethics etc.

If people think she is entertaining like fan fiction that's one thing. But people who hang on her every tweet like she is some sort of information orb is alternately funny and disturbing.

[womanofthehills]

130. Any old person with a Twitter account is not going to have 273K followers and 15.9K following

How do you know she has "loads of free time" - she has 3 kids and a husband. So now you have to have "training in ethics" to be ethical?????????

[BannonsLiver]

172. Enjoy the fan fiction. We all need to be entertained.

[Madam45for2923]

222. Q: What is your opinion about the Trump/Russia collusion? Do believe it is "fake news"?

[BannonsLiver]

316. No, I believe it is very real.

I just don't buy into Louise's shtick. Is that okay with you?

[Madam45for2923]

318. Of course. In a discussion board people will disagree. Is that okay with you?

[BannonsLiver]

320. Sure

My point was one can believe the Russian story is real without hitting refresh on Louise's twitter feed 500 times a day. You seem to have an issue with that based on the "Do you believe the Russian story is fake news?" question simply because I believe that Mensch is trolling the gullible.

Anyway, we're done here.

[Madam45for2923]

322. I follow many including LM to balance POV's.

Bye, BannosLiver

[SonofDonald]

11. I read her and Claude Taylor every day

I do think they are on the right track even if they aren't right on top of the truth I think they are close enough, and everything that ads to 45's paranoia and continued deterioration is fine with me.

It's doubtless that 45 knows what they are saying every day and if they are close to the truth it's just another way to keep the pressure up, and it's obvious that things like constant leaks and public participation in the discourse of such keep him on the defensive.

And that's where he needs to be, so if it takes a leap of faith to believe what's being said I'll take that leap, I prefer hope over dispair every time.

[Satch59]

14. I follow them also...and enough of their statements/reporting

Have then come out in MSM... They give me hope that this whole story is bigger than we could imagine.

[OKNancy]

15. ok, read her all you want but be skeptical

Do you really believe that Orrin Hatch is being prepared to be President?
https://patribotics.blog/2017/05/13/trumps-presidency-ended-march-9th-hatch-getting-security-briefings/

FWIW, I trust Malcolm Nance more and he says she is batshit crazy.

[Demit]

72. Duncan Black (Atrios) discounts her too.

That's good enough for me.

[Madam45for2923]

226. Q: What is your opinion about the Trump/Russia collusion? Do believe it is "fake news"?

[Demit]

306. No.

[KPN]

98. Malcolm Nance also said this in response to

a question about what he thought re: Louise Mensch twitter/article about Russia interference in the election and potential collusion with Trump campaign way back in mid-October 2016:

"She did a deeper dive than I wrote in The Plot to Hack America. It's real."

(can't seem to link twitter pages so here is the address

Link to tweet

?lang=en in case you are interested)

So, apparently, he trusts her on some stuff/this particular piece.

Oops, guess it did work afterall -- but doesn't include LMs piece so have to cut and paste address to see that.

[womanofthehills]

105. If Orrin Hatch is not being prepared, who is?

Pence and Ryan too involved in Russia/Gate.

Rachel Maddow Explains How Mike Pence Is Going To Go Down With Trump For Russia Scandal
http://www.politicususa.com/2017/03/30/rachel-maddow-explains-mike-pence-trump-russia-scandal.html

Time To Investigate Paul Ryan After He Gives False Information To Defend Devin Nunes
By Jason Easley on Thu, Mar 30th, 2017 at 9:32 am

During an interview on CBS This Morning, Speaker of the House Paul Ryan made a false statement about House Intelligence Committee Chair Devin Nunes's source being a "whistleblower type person," which is a reason for an independent investigation into the role of the Speaker in the effort to cover-up the Russia scandal. http://www.politicususa.com/2017/03/30/time-investigate-paul-ryan-false-information-defend-devin-nunes.html

Intel community chatter: Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell caught red handed in Trump-Russia scandal
Over the weekend, credible leaks from the U.S. intelligence community have sprung afoot, ranging from Donald Trump and three advisers being caught on tape admitting to treason with Russia (link) to Rudy Giuliani trying to cut a deal against Trump (link). Now comes chatter that GOP leaders Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell may have been nailed as well.

The claims about the GOP House and Senate leaders are coming from two different political pundits whose sources have a history of being proven correct. One is former Bill Clinton White House staffer Claude Taylor, who stated today that he’s “Starting to hear chatter that there are intercepts w/ Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell discussing funneling illegal Russian money into campaign” (link). He went on to stress that “This really is ‘chatter’ as opposed to sourced,” making clear that this is not confirmed on his end.
http://www.palmerreport.com/politics/intel-community-chatter-paul-ryan-and-mitch-mcconnell-caught-red-handed-in-trump-russia-scandal/2333/

[LonePirate]

16. Most of her tweets are elaborate, if not fanciful, stories which have not come to pass or be proven.

Could most of what she is saying be true and we need to be patient for it all to come to light? Yes.

Could most of what she is saying be complete bullshit that will never see the light of day? Yes.

People can believe her if they wish; however I think it is premature, maybe even foolish to pin hopes on her at this point in time. More evidence and public events are needed before her words should be consumed as gospel.

[Madam45for2923]

17. Investigations are like pregnancies they take time to cook and give birth.

Seems like nothing is happening but important work is going on.

[Demit]

75. Yes, it takes time to cook things up. Gotta do a lot of stirring of the pot.

[Madam45for2923]

228. Q: What is your opinion about the Trump/Russia collusion? Do believe it is "fake news"?

[Kathy M]

89. +1

[womanofthehills]

125. "Could most of what she is saying be complete bullshit that will never see the light of day?"FALSE

EDUCATE yourself. You just name call and never give any specifics.

In the journalistic race to get to the bottom of one of the most closely guarded secrets in Washington – the investigation into the Trump team’s contacts with Moscow – one of the biggest scoops came from an unexpected source: the British former MP and novelist Louise Mensch.

However, it seems increasingly clear that Mensch landed an extraordinary scoop that had eluded the best investigative journalists in the US. Her explanation is that her vocal advocacy on behalf of UK and US intelligence agencies since former NSA contractor Edward Snowden’s revelations about mass surveillance led her sources to trust her.
Donald Trump's first 100 days: a guide to the successes, the failures – and the tweets
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“They gave me one of the most closely guarded secrets in intelligence,” she said in a telephone interview. “People are speculating why someone trusted me with that. Nobody met me in a darkened alley in a fedora, but they saw me as someone who has political experience and is their friend. I am a pro-national security partisan. I don’t have divided loyalties.”

Mensch said she gained her reputation among intelligence professionals on both sides of the Atlantic as a result of her furious criticism of the Guardian’s handling of the NSA files leaked by Snowden when he walked out of his NSA job in Hawaii and fled to Hong Kong.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/17/louise-mensch-trump-russia-ties-media-scoop

[LonePirate]

140. I said MOST not ALL. Most of what she has said has not been verified as of present.

[womanofthehills]

196. How about some details on your posts

[Madam45for2923]

227. Q: What is your opinion about the Trump/Russia collusion? Do believe it is "fake news"?

[L. Coyote]

239. Where have you been? False broadbrush without facts is disinformation.

Join the crowd of DU'ers who were totally wrong before:

FBI has FISA warrant for Trump secret server connected to Russia.

[Demsrule86]

250. Joe Scarborough is now reporting possible criminality and indictments of Trump and his merry band.

She is not on the extreme as others have said...don't listen if you don't want to ...but leave the rest of us alone...MYOB as Ann Landers used to say (Mom read her everyday).

[GliderGuider]

18. Mensch and Taylor are heroes of the resistance. nt

[Madam45for2923]

22. To many of us they are. nt

[womanofthehills]

119. To many of us they are - Go Louise, Claude Taylor, John Schindler, Rick Wilson, ELEVENTH,

Counterchekist, Dr. Dana Greyson, Keith Oberman, Joy Reid (plus many more!!!). These guys make my day, give me hope and are America's hope.

[Madam45for2923]

149. Many that don't wish us well will try to discredit people fighting and investigating Trump/Russia

Trump is the greatest threat we have faced in a long time. We'll concentrate on stopping him.

[Kentonio]

181. True friends are the ones that tell you the things you don't want to hear

[Madam45for2923]

183. True friends wish you well. Mean well. No malicious agenda. They are assets and allies.

They leave you better.

[Kentonio]

184. Indeed

But the problem with trusting sources like Mensch with dubious backgrounds, is that it can be dangerous. If this story blows isp into a big deal and then turns out to be wrong, then it's going to hurt any subsequent reporting on similar issues. No-one will want to touch it in case they get embarrassed again.

I'm not saying she's wrong, and I obviously hope she's 100% right. Just please be careful, and don't emotionally invest too much yet.

[Madam45for2923]

186. I see what you mean. I am not pushing LM on others. I just had to react when people poohpooh her

and try to PUSH others NOT to follow her.

Give your opinion but don't try to push it on people as if you have an agenda. (Not talking about you )

I read and follow LM: But am not trying to push push push others to do the same.

Others don't read or follow her: OK! but don't push push others to do the same.

By pushing I mean: You must do what I say. You must do/think like me.

I just wanted it known that many of us follow her and will continue to do so.

You cannot stop us and if you act pushy about stopping us - we smell something fishy there.

(Again dear kentonio, when I say "you" I mean it in general, not you in particular)

[Kentonio]

187. And in the meantime, lets all cross our fingers and hope she's right!!

[womanofthehills]

126. They are!!! I LOVE THEM.........

[Foamfollower]

21. Yeah, like Glenn Greenwald is an "ally"

[Madam45for2923]

23. Actually and literally the opposite.

[Foamfollower]

26. Actually and literally exactly the same.

[Madam45for2923]

28. Well that is your opinion. I see her as trying to help us keep OUR Republic .

JMO

[Foamfollower]

35. I see her as a self serving liar.

[Madam45for2923]

40. Woah! Like I said your opinion! I don't see her like that.

Not interested in convincing people to like LM. Just want to say that many of us like her and will continue to read her.

That's all.

As you where!

[Foamfollower]

42. You're free to read her right wing drivel if you like.

She lies and there's no convincing people a liar is a liar when the liar's lies are what they want to hear.

[Madam45for2923]

48. She is hard at work against Treasonous Trump/GOP and the Russia collusion.

COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY!

To me that is patriotic!

But you see her differently...

That is of course OK. (this 10 times!)

I don't care what others think, I just want her to continue hard at what she is doing. (this 1000 times!)

[Foamfollower]

54. She's hardly working at all just making up shit as she goes.

[Demsrule86]

309. She got the scoop on the FISA warrant...and is being backed up on the latest...so why so upset?

[Foamfollower]

333. Baloney on having a scoop on the FISA warrant.

That was already known when she spewed her shit.

She also says Russia paid for riots in Ferguson.

He's a lying liar.

[Madam45for2923]

336. She did have a scoop and pretty early.

[Demsrule86]

354. No it was not...she got the scoop...Think what you want but post facts please.

"In the journalistic race to get to the bottom of one of the most closely guarded secrets in Washington – the investigation into the Trump team’s contacts with Moscow – one of the biggest scoops came from an unexpected source: the British former MP and novelist Louise Mensch.

Mensch has lived in New York since resigning as the Conservative MP for Corby in 2012 so that she could spend more time with her children and her American husband, Peter, the manager of the heavy metal band Metallica.

Now 45, the woman born Louise Bagshawe in London who once dominated the chick-lit bestseller lists in the UK has reinvented herself once more: working as an executive for Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp by day, and probing Donald Trump’s Moscow connections by night."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/17/louise-mensch-trump-russia-ties-media-scoop

[Bernardo de La Paz]

50. Can you point to an incident on TrumpRussia where she lied. I do not think you credibly can. . . nt

[Foamfollower]

56. Not a thing she has ever spewed has been accurate.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

83. Aside from your binary-thinking fallacy inherent in that sentence, we can discount you on this topic

You, sir or ma'am, haven't offered any substance on this topic.

[Foamfollower]

87. She spews bullshit tweets, much like Trump himself,...

and then whenever something even remotely related to the bullshit sshe completely made up happens, she declares victory.

And that is an ally?????????????????????????????????

[MelissaB]

90. So, the answer is no.

Thanks!

[Foamfollower]

101. The answer is yes.

Every last piece of bullshit she has spewed has been WRONG. She makes shit up out of whole cloth or expands upon known shit by sprinkling more bullshit on top.

Not a word of it has ever had any validity. Not a thing she said was happening ever actually happened the way she described.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

111. You have nothing to back up your bloviating. At this point it is heat, not light; disruptive. . . nt

[MelissaB]

115. Still didn't answer the question asked, I see.

[Foamfollower]

145. I see you fail to recognize I have answered the question.

You cannot ignore an answer simply because you do not like it.

[MelissaB]

151. LOL!

[womanofthehills]

109. So be more specific instead of just name calling.

" Not a thing she has ever spewed has been accurate." - THIS STATEMENT IS A LIE -

Projection going on here!!!!!!!!!!

[onenote]

95. She has claimed that firing Comey was unconstitutional

and that it not only violated Trump's oath of office but also Pence's.

You want to explain how any of that is remotely accurate?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

110. Obstruction of justice, particularly as the Oval Office machinations come out. Pence

Pence is reported to have a had a big secret role in this.

Reported by the NYTimes. There's some validation.

[onenote]

146. Again, how is the firing "unconstitutional"?

[Madam45for2923]

160. Is obstruction a crime? Is it constitutional?

[onenote]

161. Just because something is unlawful doesn't mean its unconstitutional

Every violation of law is not a violation of the constitution.

[Madam45for2923]

162. But it is still criminal? as in Jail time criminal? as in Nixon buh bye?

[onenote]

164. Yes. Obstruction of justice is a crime.

Last edited Sat May 13, 2017, 07:57 PM - Edit history (1)

Whether Trump's firing of Comey constitutes obstruction of justice is something that people can reasonably debate. It's not a slam dunk that it was or that it was not.

But those claiming it was unconstitutional. Or claiming that Pence somehow also engaged in obstruction of justice (he didn't fire Comey -- he doesn't have that legal authority) are just making things up.

[Demsrule86]

251. I question your motives for saying such a thing when stuff she says has been proven to be correct.

Why does this disturb you so much? hmmm.

[Foamfollower]

296. "stuff she says has been proven to be correct."

"Russia funded riots in Ferguson"

--Louise Mensch

[Demsrule86]

307. Not everything she says but for all we know there were plants burning stuff down...who knows?

But I do know she was correct on the biggest story of them all...the FISA warrant and seems correct on the new Trump story as it is being echoed by others .I have always thought Ferguson was fishy and outsiders were responsible for some of the riots...

[sharedvalues]

103. Greenwald is Russian ally. Like Snowden: Russian tool now.

[womanofthehills]

127. Louise Mensch has zero love for Greenwald

[GliderGuider]

27. Greenwald is Russ Deza. Mensch is anything but. nt

[L. Coyote]

31. Wow Foamfollower, try to inform yourself better. Mensch calls out Greenwald, Wikileaks, et.al.

Hey Foamfollower (378 posts), have you no clue as to who is who to whom?

Link to tweet

[Foamfollower]

36. She's a self serving liar, just like Greenwald.

[sharedvalues]

104. Greenwald is a Russian tool, as is Snowden.

[Charlotte Little]

199. God

I hate Glenn Greenwald with a blistering passion. Talk about DEZA!

[seaglass]

70. She's nowhere near perfect and your post is offensive and divisive. Just because people don't

believe everything out of this nutcase's mouth does not mean they support Russia.

[LaydeeBug]

74. No one said she was perfect, but you decided to substitute your judgement for me..how presumptuous

of you. And divisive.

And offensive.

Please proceed.

[seaglass]

85. WTF are you talking about? You called people on this website Russian trolls because they don't

think Mensch is credible. Everything black and white in your world?

[womanofthehills]

114. You seem to have an obession with discrediting Mensch

ignoring all she has said that is credible and has been proved credible. Projection on the "black and white " I would say.

[Stand and Fight]

177. It's not an obsession. It's a job. n/t

[womanofthehills]

321. So right!!!

[Demsrule86]

253. I have no idea where the hatred for this woman comes from...don't get it.

[seaglass]

261. Wait, are you actually accusing me of hating someone because I don't have confidence in the

information she is spouting? That's just silly.

[Demsrule86]

290. No I was not...never do that ...and I figured it out. She

criticized Sen Sanders after he didn't endorse Jon Ossoff...so that explains all the angst...not saying you. I would not presume to make assumptions on why you dislike this person...you can tell me if you choose too or not.

In my opinion, she broke the biggest story this year with the FISA warrant story. And now people are echoing her story about Trump and criminal warrants. I don't find her credible...and again I will say this...It is not your business who or what others on this site decide is credible...unless it violates TOS.

[seaglass]

297. Yeah, I never supported Sanders so you're definitely barking up the wrong tree lol. I can make any

comment I like about the credibility of stories posted on DU.

[Demsrule86]

314. As I was clear in my post...I did not presume to say that was your reason...some yes, but not you...

I invited you to explain your reasoning and your chose not to.

[seaglass]

325. Your post was not clear at all. Why would you even post to me about hatred for Mensch when I said

no such thing, alluded to no such thing. This has to be one of the weirdest conversations ever on DU.

[Demsrule86]

355. Your post was critical unless I messed up somehow...and I wondered why?

If it was not you...sorry.

[H2O Man]

33. Recommended.

I like her.

[Thekaspervote]

34. Thank you Louise!! Keep up the good work

Has anyone here considered how close she must be if spicer is reading her stuff from his podium!!!

[yuiyoshida]

38. IDK, she made me block her twitter feed once...

I don't remember what she said, but it was enough for me to block her, and I must have had a good reason, but I can't remember what it was now.

[demmiblue]

44. I read one of her tweets that smacked of Islamaphobia.

I don't pay any attention to her.

[yuiyoshida]

45. See it must have been something like that...

I know if its a Racist tweet, they get blocked.

[ucrdem]

58. That might explain her fondness for Comey.

Bigtime GWOT faciliator.

[Madam45for2923]

66. Comey was investigating Trump/Russia collusion.

[ucrdem]

69. Apparently he didn't think it was very important. nt

[Blue_Roses]

166. WTF?

Vague comment

[ucrdem]

168. He made sure we heard all about Weiner in October. Russia, nyet.

From that I take it he didn't find the Russia stuff alarming.

[Madam45for2923]

175. Chaffetz made sure. -Not Comey.

Comey sounded serious about Trump/Russia at the public hearing and has been seriously investigating since last till he was fired.

ucrdem

168. He made sure we heard all about Weiner in October. Russia, nyet.

From that I take it he didn't find the Russia stuff alarming.

[ucrdem]

191. Comey made sure Chaffetz made sure:

Link to tweet

You knew that I imagine, so why the effort to exonerate Comey? He was never going to help Dems accomplish anything and should have been fired long ago.

[womanofthehills]

132. Be more specific - post the quote

why even post a statement like this with nothing to back it up?

[BannonsLiver]

189. Well she is a conservative.

Lots of folks caught up in ecstasy while reading her tweets seem to forget all about that little detail.

[Madam45for2923]

229. Conservative& never/Trump putting country above party.

Q: What is your opinion about the Trump/Russia collusion? Do believe it is "fake news"?

[BannonsLiver]

315. No, I believe it is very real

I just don't buy into Louise's schtick. Is that okay with you?

[womanofthehills]

117. If it did not make enough of an impression as to why you blocked her, maybe you should revisit her

[yuiyoshida]

142. I figure I have pretty good judgement

Though my memory problems persist, but I just know that she said something so offensive I just had block her, and I don't do that, that often. I know Racist tweets are on my top billing for blocking someone. Derogatory language towards Asians, Hispanics, Blacks, Gays and Lesbians are a great indication of people I have blocked in the past. I may not recall the reason, but if something offended me greatly, its not likely, I would want to give them a second chance.

[Me.]

39. If it Walks Like........It's A Duck

And she's a woman

[Madam45for2923]

230. Q: What is your opinion about the Trump/Russia collusion? Do believe it is "fake news"?

[Me.]

284. No I Don't

And I think one of the big reasons why Louise is getting so much flak lately is that she's a woman. Interesting how on Morning Joe today they were sayimg the FBI has the goods on 45 and it's criminal.

[Madam45for2923]

289. I am finding that this question on Trump/Russia collusion is key in this Mensch discrediting effort

See below: How others answer ...or not?

Your answer is succinct... others don't manage that.

Good news about Morning Joe today!

[Me.]

293. Lots Of Boys Jumping On Louise

Interesting. You'ii notice not nearly so many call out Claude Taylor. There is also a group going after Chelsea Clinton, for some reason because they are seemingly afraid of her running for office. They include Josh Barro and Chris Cilizza to name a few. They, the main dozen, are being called out on it for it is also noted how they don't have a peep of criticism for Ivanka Trump.

[Demsrule86]

308. I agree...there is a sudden surge of attacks.

[Sculpin Beauregard]

43. When there is a sudden, massive influx of smear posts about a person,

you can be sure there is a disinformation campaign underway.

We have seen that here time and again.

[Demit]

55. You're sure there are disinformation campaigns here?

That you've seen time & again? LOL. When did you join DU, and can you enumerate these instances please?

[Sculpin Beauregard]

60. The smart, informed people see it. Others are being led around by the nose.

[Demit]

64. You made the claim. Back it up.

[Hortensis]

148. Can't explain reverence for truth, certainly can't

force on anyone insistence on honest, fact-based information. That understanding must come from within.

All one can do is point out where it is seen to be lacking.

[womanofthehills]

128. Yea! There are some BIGLY lovers of Monsanto & big corporate America on here

try posting anything about glyphosate being labeled cancerous in California and you will be attacked worse than you guys are attacking Louise.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

170. It's standard web brigades technique

Have ready a bunch of points and pre-packaged paragraphs, usually phrased as concern. Copy and paste and tweak and post. It's fast and allows relatively new posters to build up large post counts quickly. But the main purpose is disruption.

In a thread like this it is possible to be more direct. Just post smears and personal attacks against the target (Mensch) and no need for evidence or links because people (me included sometimes) will react. First we ask for evidence, expecting a rational discussion. By time we give up on the poster there has been a lot of go-round and heat generated with no light, no insight, no willingness to think about the issue.

[Demit]

173. I didn't ask for a description of a technique. I asked for concrete examples of it on DU.

I'm seeing accusations of how it happens all the time here. Womanofthehills has been the only one to offer one—one—example. You seem to understand a person's desire for evidence or links. That's all I'm asking for.

In people's zeal here to want to believe everything Louise Mensch writes, they should be careful not to get so caught up in it that they reject all criticism, and condemn the critics as being not of the body. That's fanaticism.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

174. I carefully responded to you to avoid the pitfall. And with regard to Mensch herself,

If anybody provided "concrete examples of disruptive trolling", that would be 'meta' and could easily lead to posts being quickly removed. I went as far as anyone could. If you don't see it in this thread and others, then so be it.

And with regard to Mensch herself,

In people's zeal here to want to believe everything Louise Mensch writes, they should be careful not to get so caught up in it that they reject all criticism, and condemn the critics as being not of the body. That's fanaticism.

Indeed it is.

Which is why we ask for specific criticisms, specific examples, from the critics. But we get more flat-out rejection of her, more broad based smears and no specifics. Repetitive amorphous smears without specifics is what is disruptive.

[Demit]

180. Bah. So the accusers engage in heavy innuendo instead.

I think it's cheap. It's a cheap way to reject criticism. Throwing around veiled accusations to sow doubt is a technique no different from trolling. The accusers here are no better than those they accuse.

[Madam45for2923]

176. I see what you mean:

Can you look at my OP from a few days ago about:


How to spot the SUBTLER disinfo & trolls & bots & all that good sh*t

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029054270

and here where I asked the administrators:

Was DU also inundated with Fake Russian bots and Fake news during elections?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/125912592


My motto these days: Many that don't wish us (us as in DEMS & USA) well will try to discredit people fighting and investigating Trump/Russia.

[Madam45for2923]

59. Yes it is suspicious in a way!!!

Sculpin Beauregard
43. When there is a sudden, massive influx of smear posts about a person,

you can be sure there is a disinformation campaign underway.

We have seen that here time and again.

[OnDoutside]

65. +1000, even I noticed it, it's that obvious !

[Sculpin Beauregard]

80. Yup. It's super obvious.

[MelissaB]

92. Yes indeed!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

169. You are right. The posters have not posted any substance, just insults at her. Seems organized. . nt

[Mr. Ected]

46. Without her tweets, I think I'd be going crazy right now

Whether she'll be proven to be 100% accurate or not, she has at least made us all aware of FISA warrants and grand jury indictments long before the MSM corroborated.

[womanofthehills]

133. Agreed.

[George II]

47. I saw some of that. Funny that she's been a hero for weeks, if not months, then all of a sudden....

....people around here are turning on her!

Lots of what's been exposed about the trump scandals is the result of her digging. Hope she keeps on digging.

[LeftishBrit]

52. You obviously don't live in the UK

She was a horrible MP in her own country.

That doesn't mean she can't be right about Trump - takes one to know one - but that doesn't make her a 'brave woman and patriot'.

[RelativelyJones]

77. Absolutely right. Her UK track record makes me skeptical.

[Madam45for2923]

232. Q: What is your opinion about the Trump/Russia collusion? Do believe it is "fake news"?

[RelativelyJones]

319. Yes I do believe it. Why?

[Madam45for2923]

231. Q: What is your opinion about the Trump/Russia collusion? Do believe it is "fake news"?

[Voltaire2]

53. The strategy is to keep us divided and confused

It has been working quite well.

[Chimichurri]

57. She calls people who dont agree with her

Russian spies. She does that quite a bit so for me she's lost credibility

[Madam45for2923]

63. If you were a Russian or Trumper troll, would you NOT troll her ?

When she is hard at work investigating the MESS we are all in.

[Chimichurri]

73. Matt Taibbi and Bernie Sanders are "Putinbots"? as she calls em

And what exactly has she been right about? I followed her and for a while her extravagant fortune telling gave me comfort until her forcasts never came to pass.

But I'm willing to listen.

So far she's besmearched solids folks and has delivered nothing

[Madam45for2923]

76. The way I see it investigations take time.

[Demsrule86]

256. So that explains it ... it is about Sen. Sanders.

That's why we have all these passionate posts now...OK... don't care...and I don't like Matt Taibbi for the record.

[womanofthehills]

136. So please be specific - who has she called a Russian spy that you think is not one?

If you think she does it so often, you must have lots of names. Post them please.

[Chimichurri]

144. Bernie, Matt Taibbi, Democracy Now, ProPublica

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7dWHKFVAAAVj1j?format=jpg&name=large

And you can use use your fingers to research yourself

[MelissaB]

152. CassandraRules/ Cassandra Fairbanks ??? is a Russian troll who promoted Bernie, and

I think that's why she had questions.

Have a look at her social media pages:

https://www.facebook.com/cassandra.rules.1

https://twitter.com/CassandraRules

[Demsrule86]

278. She said that in response to a news story where Sen. Sanders refused to endorse Ossoff....I posted

it on this thread so...context is everything.

[Chimichurri]

288. I get disagreeing on merit but calling people Russian

stooges, putinbots and Russian spies makes her look petty at best. She's made serious accusations against people in an attempt to ruin their reputations. That I can't get behind.

[Demsrule86]

291. It was a comment on Twitter...do I agree? No...does it mean she is wrong about Trump...no.

She doesn't like Sen. Sanders apparently and I believe Matt Taibbi. I don't like Matt either...doesn't mean I am wrong on everything.

[mwooldri]

61. Former Conservative MP.

On David Cameron's "A-list" no less. Could have had a very successful UK government career. I believe it was purely personal/family reasons why she resigned her seat.

However Conservatives and Republicans are in my eyes in the same boat. So I'll take her commentary and insight with a pinch of salt. I don't know her - personally or professionally - so I'm obliged to keep an open mind. But this anti-Tory, anti-Republican lens that I view my life through means that I'm going to be naturally suspicious about a Tory or Republican railing against DJT.

[Madam45for2923]

62. She is putting country before Party. She is totally disgusted with the GOP not fighting Trump

[Kentonio]

182. She's British.

[Madam45for2923]

185. I know! But at this moment she is more American than a certain segment of America.

People that voted for and keep enabling a fascist-racist-treasonous-dumbass dictator-wannabe & dictators'dicks-sucker.

[OnDoutside]

71. She doesn't deny who she is politically, but she has been strident in her fight against Trump when

most on the right were silent.

Logically, here is a Right Winger whose virtually sole occupation for the last year has been attacking Trump and top Republicans, yet if we are to listen to SOME here, no one should believe a word she writes because she is from the Right.

Sure, sure.

[womanofthehills]

139. Although she is a conservative, she recently said she was disgusted by the majority of the

Republicans with the exception of John McCain and a few others.

[lark]

67. HURRAH for Mensch.

So happy someone is standing up and saying what others are too scared to mention.

[elias7]

68. She is instrumental piece of the Resistance, the Deep State. Go Louise!

Be cautious, trust but verify, discern between her reporting and her speculations (she does)... the truth will bear out in the end,

[Chimichurri]

78. She's called Democracy Now, ProPublica Russian shills

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7dWHKFVAAAVj1j?format=jpg&name=large

She lost credibility with me. Plus, none of her crystal ball pronouncements have ever come to fruition

[onenote]

96. Once upon a time there were DUers who swore by HA Goodman

Some of them were trolls, but others were well-intentioned people who just got suckered.

Point is -- don't believe whatever you read on the internet just because you like the sound of it.

[Demsrule86]

281. Louis has been correct and now others are echoing her story about 45

and criminal proceedings...HA Goodman was a BOB'er or a Russian spy...very different.

[Kentonio]

99. She's no ally of mine

She was a terrible conservative MP with deeply questionable views.

[Kathy M]

100. I am not on twitter , was going to sign up but never did . First time heard of Louise is

from reading twitter posts linked here . So yes I take what I read from her with a grain of salt not knowing who she is or possible contacts she may have . Have gotten my hopes up one to many times on a post of hers not to do otherwise or know who she is really working for .

Its good to have information , will see how it all plays out .

[L. Coyote]

113. It certainly is Trolls Out In Force Day. There must be a reason behind the wall of secrecy.

And DU's newly self-appointed bullshitter-in-chief is working overtime, so I used Full Ignore so I won't see him again.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[MelissaB]

116. They sure are!

I've been watching one in particular since he/she joined.

[L. Coyote]

122. One removed in this thread already, another still functional.

[Madam45for2923]

118. I posted because I think people want to STOP her and the others investigating.

I don't want that to happen.

All these people investigating have their strengths and weaknesses. Their areas of interest and expertise. We need them ALL!

Trump is the greatest threat we have faced in along time. We'll concentrate on stopping him.

[L. Coyote]

120. Even as we attack today's intended diversion of resources, we can multi-task and post what matters

in the very threads where the trolls are trying to divert us, thus placing attention on what they are distracting us from.

Link to tweet

[Madam45for2923]

123. Am saving that image and quote.

[L. Coyote]

124. We are going to need it. Bookmarked.

Congressmen call on Rod Rosenstein to resign

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[anneboleyn]

131. Honestly, I notice that EVERY WEEKEND certain Eeyores show up and condemn DU

for whatever it has been discussing all week, focusing on certain issues that are described as "hopeless" and repeatedly berating DUers for being "gullible," believing "fake news" (yep), etc etc.

I read the threads regarding Mensch with interest and a wait and see attitude, and I think that everyone here is smart enough to read and evaluate material for themselves. I don't understand the need to beat things down (and quite consistently).

I notice that it happens on the weekends as if the little group gets let out on Friday evenings or something. I am using ignore more than I ever have in the past.

[Madam45for2923]

135. Oh I see. That is curious! Have you seen my OP related to this:

How to spot the SUBTLER disinfo & trolls & bots & all that good sh*t

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029054270

and here where I asked the administrators:

Was DU also inundated with Fake Russian bots and Fake news during elections?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/125912592

[Demsrule86]

141. I agree...and I suspect the motives of those who attack her. nt

[alarimer]

153. You like her because she tells you what you want to hear.

No other reason.

This behavior is no different from that of right-wingers who believe everything on Fox because it tells them what THEY want to hear.

Mensch=Fox News. (I mean literally in that she works or has worked for Murdoch).

[Madam45for2923]

156. I follow her because she is investigating the Trump Russia Mess we are in!

Trump is the greatest threat we have faced in a long time. We'll concentrate on stopping him.

We need all the allies in this fight we can find.

[Madam45for2923]

233. Q: What is your opinion about the Trump/Russia collusion? Do believe it is "fake news"?

[Madam45for2923]

154. Many that don't wish us well will try to discredit people fighting and investigating Trump/Russia

Trump is the greatest threat we have faced in a long time. We'll concentrate on stopping him.

[Zo Zig]

157. She had the FISA story, Eric Lichtenbaul of NYT wrote nothing to see.

Her story was accurate, proven months later. Don't know if she is either a witch, or succubus however.

Correction to FISA from FIA

[OnDoutside]

158. When the history of this time is written, RWers like Mensch, Taylor, Wilson etc will be in clear

contrast to traitors like Ryan, McConnell and the rest of the GOP.

[Madam45for2923]

159. Yes! I think so too.

BTW Claude Taylor is a DEM.

[OnDoutside]

163. Yes, sorry, my mistake.

[L. Coyote]

167. Now we know what she was working on, EXCLUSIVE: Sealed Indictment granted against Donald Trump

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029060738

And obviously the #TrumpTrollArmy was informed earlier today too!

[Madam45for2923]

171. FISA court can convene a grand jury who can issue a true bill.

Link to tweet

[Stand and Fight]

178. Recommended. If for no other reason than the fact that the MSM failed us miserably.

We have to seek out other sources of news when the big guys largely failed and helped to build up and legitimize Trump via HOURS of FREE advertising. I'm very careful on anything I read online, but I'm not going to wholesale say she can't be trusted. Time will tell. Pray the Republic survives long enough for us to know.

[Madam45for2923]

179. And it makes sense that these people's sources are not trusting MSM reporters.

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Not trusting that they would get their news out - or protect their confidentiality.

MSM screwed up the whole of last year. They did not take seriously the danger of a Trump presidency and his obvious corruption and collusion with Russia. They relied on a false equivalency where HRC was on par with DT.

MSM 2015--2017: They were ridiculous. They enabled bad actors.

I believe in the 1st amendment but the MSM needs to do some serious soul-searching.

[Stand and Fight]

190. Bingo. Those holding up the MSM as paragons of journalism have a serious lack of recall. n/t

[Madam45for2923]

192. If I or anyone else wants to read Mensch and Taylor, it's really NOYDB. Sure I'm not alone on this

I love this quote from Charlotte Little:

If I or anyone else wants to read Mensch and Taylor, it's really NOYDB.

I personally hope their right even if they get the details all squirrelly. In the meantime, I follow them on twitter just as I follow Maddow and O'Donnell. I'm a big girl, all grown up and capable of deciding for myself what I think is possible and what's not. Has nothing to do with it being "helpful for some purpose." Photo by Phil Hawksworth source http://www.flickr.com/photos/philhawksworth/5037670666/

I would imagine I'm not alone on this.

[Madam45for2923]

194. Interesting:

Link to tweet

[melman]

195. Louise Mensch has interesting friends

I mean for such an ally and all.

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[Madam45for2923]

200. Not anymore

[snooper2]

224. yes

[Madam45for2923]

236. Yes you agree with me.. or yes she is still friends with Milo the Pedo

[snooper2]

257. I saw her by the tree

[Madam45for2923]

258. Ah! I see.

[melman]

346. So she was friends with him when he wasn't a reprehensible scumbag?

When was that?

[Madam45for2923]

347. Pre-Trump and before knowing about racist & pedo crap

[Madam45for2923]

234. Q: What is your opinion about the Trump/Russia collusion? Do believe it is "fake news"?

[Demit]

312. She's good buds with Adam Baldwin too.

Sympathized with the male gamers in Gamergate. Called the women who were bullied and doxxed "fauxminists."
https://heatst.com/culture-wars/last-ship-star-adam-baldwin-on-gamergate-twitter-censorship-and-hollywood/

Her Wikipedia page has a lot of interesting links in the footnotes.

[Charlotte Little]

198. Wow...

Boy did you get a response! By the way, not sure where the kitten photo came from...??

[Madam45for2923]

201. Thanks Charlotte! Yeah the kitten photo came out of nowhere. Am sure it's germane 2 the topic LOL!

Again, really liked your way with words and had to borrow!

[samnsara]

204. i follow her as well...

[JTFrog]

205. Especially when many of those concerned spent months or years pushing Russia Today crap here.

Who the fuck do they think they are fooling?

Damn I miss the days of actual moderation at DU. This Lord of the Flies "bots and mob rule" shit has worn out it's welcome.

[LovingA2andMI]

208. What's Amazing Is Some Are....

Defending Mensch and Taylor like they sat down with each of them and broke bread at the dinner table yesterday, plus sipped from the same wine glass.

Look, if some would like to follow them on Twitter, feel free. Frankly, who cares who one follows on Twitter and Retweet like their dying breath is their very last tweet -- because lord knows most DU Posters don't. However, the constant posting of their Tweets here on DU is more than a bit annoying as hell.

That's what Twitter is for -- to follow them or anyone else one chooses -- like a dog following their owner on a chain.

[JTFrog]

221. You don't get to tell us what DU or Twitter is for. Use them as you wish.

But the admin provided the feature to embed tweets, get over it. They also provided the ability to hide thread by keyword or ignore individual posters. You can control your own DU experience instead of trying to control others.

It's not like the people you are complaining about are breaking DU terms of service.

[LovingA2andMI]

323. This Is OUR OPINION and THIS IS A OPINION BOARD.....

#FYI. The last time we checked opinions is allowed at DU. This is NOT the first or will be the last post to complain out loud about Twitter Links on DU Forums. In fact, there have been many of them (as in complaints about this very subject) on DU that has not been in non-compliance with DU Rules, so it's quite funny you picked this one out. Funny indeed.

Instead, your beef is the subject manner. In particular, Mensch and Taylor. Last time we checked Mensch is not a Democratic Figure in anyway shape of form and Taylor might be a Democrat but that does not mean that DU posters cannot heed caution to his speculative tweets. Where exactly on the DU Rules is it that stating a form of Caution on speculative tweets is a violation?

So, please don't tell us or try to spin and fail about we are trying to run a DU board or DU itself due to concern about Tweets Links with little to no explanation that are speculative themselves in nature. That line of reply is a swing and HUGE MISS.

Have a great afternoon.

[alarimer]

211. I hate to see smart people fall for fake news.

She was a charlatan at home and is still a charlatan, only you believe it because she is telling you what you want to hear.

[Madam45for2923]

212. Just calling her a charlatan or fake news is not a very convincing point.

Question: What is your opinion about the Trump/Russia collusion? Do believe it is "fake news"?

[LonePirate]

216. The problem is that the tweets and now the blog (with ads) remind me of fake news sites.

The deplorables and their ilk on the right bought into these crazy conspiracy stories and other fake news items that were being distributed by bullshit artists out to make a quick buck. Those purveyors of the bs preyed upon the gulliable RW because they were desperate for anyone and anything that supported their views.

Now we may or may not have something similar going on for those of us on the left. Some of us are acting much like the fake news believers on the right because Mensch, Taylor and company are saying things that people want to believe. Now there's a money making website dispensing their views. Could it be legit? Could it be a scam? Until we have some sort of confirmation of what they are peddling, we should use extreme caution with them. They might be valid and are simply passing along vital info that nobody else is willing to do. They might be taking people for a ride.

Be patient and don't get your hopes up.

[Madam45for2923]

219. Q: What is your opinion about the Trump/Russia collusion? Do believe it is "fake news"?

[LonePirate]

235. I simply don't know. Sure, there are oddities with Flynn, Page, Manafort, et al.

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Whether any of this involves collusion or worse is something I'm leaving for the FBI.

People need to ask themselves why the MSM has not broached any of this stuff about the grand juries. Why has nobody in the MSM confirmed the bulk of what they are saying?

The "report" from this weekend about Hatch receiving security briefings in preparation for becoming President soon should have made everyone raise an eyebrow in suspicion. First of all, this could all be part of the standard procedures for maintaining our government. Did anyone ask if he was receiving them last year during Obama's term? Also, this suggests Ryan is up to his neck in this. While he is doing undoubtedly a scumbag of epic proportions, it is one hell of a leap to include him in all of this given 2012 and the seeming distance between him and 45 during the campaign. Yet people lapped up all of this without batting an eye.

Once people are arrested or the MSM reports on this stuff, then I will start believing. Until then, I am highly skeptical of all this as should everyone else due to lack of proof.

[Madam45for2923]

238. Ought we get to the bottom of it... or nah!

[FBaggins]

240. We should "get to the bottom of it"... BUT

... we should do it entirely without far-right conspiracy theorists who just happen to oppose someone who we oppose. The enemy of my enemy is NOT necessarily my friend (or even entirely sane). If Alex Jones starts talking about Trump and Russia... will it suddenly be ok to post his nonsense here?

This is the woman who thought that the Russians killed Breitbart so that they could put Bannon in control. She sees the Russians behind every tree.

[Madam45for2923]

243. I am thankful for conservatives who put country before party &

and take seriously the danger to our democracy that is treasonous Trump and GOP.

[FBaggins]

248. That's funny...

... since she's neither from our party nor from our country.

[Madam45for2923]

252. She -Brit- lives in NYC with her American husband and kids. She is being patriotic to her new home

[FBaggins]

263. So she's an American now?

It takes less than five years for the spouse of an American citizen to become a US Citizen.

I guess the Russians have been blocking her, right?

[Madam45for2923]

268. Her children and hubby are American. I don't care where she's from. She recognizes Trump as

treasonous and dangerous for the Republic and the world.

[SpicyBoi]

241. That time you promoted a BLM hoaxer

Seriously guys, Louise said BLM was funded by Putin. Can't make it up.

http://www.snopes.com/blm-ferguson-russia/

[Madam45for2923]

242. Q: What is your opinion about the Trump/Russia collusion? Do believe it is "fake news"?

[SpicyBoi]

246. Based on her BLM tweet...

She seems more Anti-Russia than an ally. Why would you align with someone like that?

[Madam45for2923]

249. What is YOUR opinion about the Trump/Russia collusion? Do believe it is "fake news"?

[SpicyBoi]

255. If our main source of evidence is going to be a BLM truther...

Then yes.

[Madam45for2923]

259. Never mind Mensch. What is YOUR opinion on Trump/Russia collusion?

[SpicyBoi]

262. Mensch is your major source for news

This new stuff isn't credible until I see a mainstream outlet reporting it.

[Madam45for2923]

265. You don't know me and you don't know that. Again, PLZ am curious-what is ur opinion on Trump/Russia

Trump/Russia collusion?

[SpicyBoi]

267. If you watch TYT, consider me

More thinking along the lines of Jimmy Dore and Michael Tracey.

[Madam45for2923]

269. I have watched TYT before but not sure ab those people. What do they say on Trump/Russia?

[SpicyBoi]

271. Prudence

Trumpeting a known nut is not prudent while there's still an investigation ongoing by the FBI.

[Madam45for2923]

272. I see! That's it? They are AM SURE a very prudent BUNCH.

As you where.

[SpicyBoi]

275. Now my question -

Do you think Black Lives Matter was funded by Putin?

[Madam45for2923]

282. I have not looked at that question AT ALL. I think BLM's message was BLM also! but Trumpers acted

like they meant BLM only. DISINGENOUS.

I have not studied them further than that basic opinion.

What is your opinion on BLM?

[SpicyBoi]

283. They're not funded by Russians.

[Demsrule86]

313. You sure about that?

"The minimization of Russian influence on our elections by the Young Turks has been rather interesting, with journalists like Michael Tracey who pooh-poohs the impact of Russian interference in our elections. He decided to troll a bunch of protestors to trick them into downplaying Russia’s impact, but got completely owned by a woman who was far much more knowledgeable than he was."

The video of this is a MUST-SEE for anyone fighting back against Russia’s continued interference into our elections, as actually confirmed today in a live Senate intelligence hearing. "

Link to tweet

[SpicyBoi]

317. So you're of the position BLM was funded by Russians

Did BLM work to get Trump elected too? Don't be fatuous, Jeffrey.

[Demsrule86]

356. No, but there could have been disruptors who started fires and such...and I don't think BLM had

had anything to do with the violence, and they said at the time the folks were outsider who did these things...I also think the cops set some of the fires...and none of this has anything to do with the fact that the FISA Warrant info was true...and she is being backed up by folks including Scarborough for the the latest...and now we learn that Trump revealed classified info to the Russians. Who's Jeffrey?

[Demsrule86]

358. Just to make it clear...I don't like Young Turks...they take money from the Republicans and

are not trustworthy...the link I sent you shows them downplaying the Russian story.

[LovingA2andMI]

324. NO, Black Lives Matter Was NOT....

Funded By The Russians and Anyone Who Would Say Such Is A Fool. Point, Blank, Period.

[SpicyBoi]

326. Thank you

Some of the replies that I've gotten on this site make me wonder - they'd rather trust a crazy Brit than their own instincts. Unless their instincts suck too.

[LovingA2andMI]

328. Well....What Can One Say....

Except:

Meanwhile, H.E. Double Hockey Sticks NO, Black Lives Matter was NOT, Repeat NOT IN ANYWAY, Funded by the Russians.

And Thank You, Spicy Boi for pointing this out.

[Demsrule86]

357. Louise never said that ...she said the riots were funded by the Russians...and if you think about it

people from Ferguson said outsiders were mostly responsible for the Ferguson riots.

Link to tweet

[Demsrule86]

310. I despise the Young Turks...they took GOP money and can not be considered progressive.

[Orsino]

264. Mensch is so far not very distinguishable...

...from a yellow journalist flat-out inventing things.

If she's going to break any big news, it'll eventually be supported by real reporting, and that will happen long before any impeachment proceedngs actually begin. We don't have to be in a hurry to do anything but fact-check her yet.

[SpicyBoi]

270. Mensch is Anti-Russia

Everything she posts is anti-Russia - that's her prevailing ideology from what I can tell. Facts be damned.

[Madam45for2923]

274. and you are Pro-Russia?

[SpicyBoi]

276. Anti-War mostly

Do you think BLM was funded by Putin? Yes or no?

[Madam45for2923]

279. Pro-Russia hacking and colluding with Trump?

[SpicyBoi]

280. You deflected like a politician

Do you think BLM was funded by Putin or not? If they were, does that make Putin an ally for social justice or not?

[Madam45for2923]

286. Ought we get to the bottom of Trump/Russia collusion ... or is that waste of time?

[SpicyBoi]

287. Who is "we"?

I'm still waiting for Louise/you to get to the bottom of whether or not she thinks Russia funded a progressive social justice movement.

[Madam45for2923]

292. I don't know anything whatsoever about your question on BLM - like AT ALL.

I have no knowledge and no opinion and no experience.

In my book black lives matter. period.

[SpicyBoi]

294. So you think BLM could've been funded by the Russians

And you aren't interested in proving/disproving their theory.

Wow, that says a lot about you.

[Madam45for2923]

298. W/O knowing anything or having thought about it or researched I will say they are NOT.

I know that RWingers and others like to infiltrate demonstrations to give protests bad news coverage.

Sounds like you know more than me about this. DO TELL ME MORE.

[SpicyBoi]

303. I'm not the one siding with BLM is Russian propaganda

[Madam45for2923]

311. ? Am interested in Trump/Russia collusion investigation & I follow many who are also

including Mensch. I am a grown up and can make up my own mind.

Thank you very much.

[Demsrule86]

359. She did not say that...

Link to tweet

[SpicyBoi]

369. She's also pals with Milo

Maybe you need to rethink the whole Louise Mensch strategy.

[Demsrule86]

370. I don't see why you care...I read her for the leaks ...she has been right...

and perhaps you should report her words accurately. As for Milo ...see below. You all are mad because she made a disparaging comment against Sen. Sanders. I didn't care for that either...however, she has been proven correct more than once.

Link to tweet

[Demsrule86]

244. I agree...rumors are just, that and I want to hear them.

1000+

[onenote]

266. I don't care if you read them or not. But when folks post Mensche/Taylor tweets and blogs here on DU

it is perfectly appropriate -- and should be expected -- that others will challenge and criticize those tweets and blogs and, by extension, the DUers who post them.

[Madam45for2923]

277. It's perfectly ok to criticize but not push others to do as you say.

[Justice]

295. Its going to take a village to hold this adminstration. All voices welcome. I remember reading NYT

article on Halloween that said not ties between Trump and Russia. Everyone thought that was true, but turns out, NYT was
completely wrong.

Have to read lots of sources, distill, analyze, compare before arriving at facts.

[mythology]

299. But apparently it's your business if people point out

The sources aren't great. This is a discussion board. You might have to read an opinion that disagrees with you.

[Madam45for2923]

301. Yes! -of course this is an opinion board. Disagreeing civilly is to be expected in a discussion

Sounding authoritarian or just giving Ad Hominem arguments is not conducive to a discussion.

[riversedge]

302. well said.

[LanternWaste]

331. There's certainly a lot of faith-based skepticism alleging empty criticisms at her.

There's certainly a lot of faith-based skepticism alleging empty criticisms at her.

I can only imagine their frustrations at reading things they hope are false and don't fit their narratives.

Bless their little hearts... most of them mean well.

[Madam45for2923]

332. Bless everyone's little hearts!

LanternWaste

331. There's certainly a lot of faith-based skepticism alleging empty criticisms at her.

There's certainly a lot of faith-based skepticism alleging empty criticisms at her.

I can only imagine their frustrations at reading things they hope are false and don't fit their narratives.

Bless their little hearts... most of them mean well.

[brooklynite]

334. OF COURSE it's none of our business if you read her tweets...until you post an opinion about it here

...then it IS our business, and we can publish a counterpoint, such as: this appears to be as close to a conspiracy theory as you can get without violating TOS.

[Madam45for2923]

335. Q: What is your opinion about the Trump/Russia collusion? Do believe it is "fake" or CT?

[brooklynite]

340. Do I believe there were contacts? Yes. Do I believe there was "collusion". I don't know.

Do I believe the "the FISA Court has a sealed indictment"? Absolutely not. 1) FISA Courts don't issue indictments; they issue search warrants. 2) The President is considered to be immune from prosecution (other than Impeachment) during his term of office.

[Madam45for2923]

341. Mensch did not say that in article. Taylor (not a lawyer) wrote tweet-which he took back-about FISA

Do you think we ought to investigate if there was a collusion?

[brooklynite]

343. Yes...my objection to assertions without facts has nothing to do with my desire to know facts.

[Madam45for2923]

344. Usually we can follow her line of thought plus her investigation is open sourced. Many researching

together. Like we do here in a way.

I follow her & others to have a balanced view. When someone gets to quirky or on something I am not interested I disengage.

I just find value in different voices, opinions and people with different interests and talents.

I like making up my own mind like everyone else.

[demmiblue]

337. FFS, over 60 replies... isn't there something better you can do with your time?! n/t

[Madam45for2923]

338. ???

[demmiblue]

339. So incredibly bizarre, imo. n/t

[Madam45for2923]

342. Geesh!

demmiblue
339. So incredibly bizarre, imo. n/t

[melman]

345. Message deleted by DU the Administrators

[Madam45for2923]

348. Yep! I changed so what! Found even a better title.

Borrowed from someone else and ran with it. I like it.

[demmiblue]

364. I guess people have to have hobbies, such as they are. n/t

[WinkyDink]

350. Yes, but I'd be arrested.

[Me.]

351. +1 Million

[Madam45for2923]

363. I guess I need to KnR this again!

[Kingofalldems]

365. The latest:

Link to tweet

[Madam45for2923]

366. What was filed?

[Kingofalldems]

367. Looks like he deleted it.

Followup said search warrant but can't find that either.

But:

Link to tweet

[Madam45for2923]

368. Thanks!