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Separate sources with links to the intelligence and justice communities have stated that a sealed indictment has been granted against Donald Trump.
While it is understood that the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution means that, until Mr. Trump is impeached, he cannot be prosecuted, sources say that the indictment is intended by the FBI and prosecutors in the Justice Department to form the basis of Mr. Trumps impeachment. The indictment is, perhaps uniquely, not intended or expected to be used for prosecution, sources say, because of the constitutional position of the President.
NEW TWEET: This indicates a National Security case and likely Logan Act violations.
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Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
As this story has developed, it has become obvious these two threads are very much intertwined:
Trump's New Impeachable Offenses: Obstruction of Justice, Conspiracy, Abuse of Power
Flynn Intel Group associates were subpoenaed by same Grand Jury just hours before Comey was fired.
BEFORE EDIT: This explains some of the first posts, before we knew what the big news would be.
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shraby
(21,946 posts)Stallion
(6,474 posts)nm
Itchinjim
(3,085 posts)JHB
(37,160 posts)They can chatter and tease all they want, but until people are frogmarched, things haven't changed.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)This time the President is the one getting the "You're FIRED" notice.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)I remember that. It was a great day.
I'm well past the "I'll believe it when I see it" phase, well past being a full-blown cynic.
I'm wary of "EXCLUSIVES."
Wary.
And weary.
I'll start high-fiving when the legal proceedings begin.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Some of us are so frustrated with seeing this Bozo day to day that we are inclined to believe any ray of sunshine, even when it turns out to be pure fantasy.
hlthe2b
(102,247 posts)Still, though I read lots of "breaking news" with a big grain of salt (and especially the hot sources, such as these), I just can't help but hope they have something that will signal this hellacious period is not forever.
Regardless of the likelihood of disappointment, I can't turn away...
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)You mean "a shoe is about to drop"?
Oh my my.
NBachers
(17,108 posts)I know they're out there, and I know they're coming closer and closer to me.
Meanwhile, this looks interesting:
Louise Mensch?Verified account @LouiseMensch 1m1 minute ago
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EXCLUSIVE: Sealed Indictment granted against Donald Trump https://patribotics.blog/2017/05/14/exclusive-sealed-indictment-granted-against-donald-trump/
<--- by @TrueFactsStated and me.
https://twitter.com/LouiseMensch?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.democraticunderground.com%2F10029060738
https://patribotics.blog/2017/05/14/exclusive-sealed-indictment-granted-against-donald-trump/
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)... a sealed indictment has been issued against Trump by FISA court to serve as the basis of Impeachment.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)Their power is limited under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to evaluating requests for surveillance warrants against foreign spies by federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies. Indictments are issued by grand juries under the supervision of a federal district court, not a FISA court.
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)womanofthehills
(8,703 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Response to pangaia (Reply #29)
sharedvalues This message was self-deleted by its author.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Last edited Sun May 14, 2017, 10:03 AM - Edit history (1)
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)investigated by the FBI for the "fake news" of Russian interference and collusion and apparent $$$$ exchanged from Russian hands to Trump team members' (big greedy) hands. So that rather interestingly suggests that Trump himself doesn't believe that the story is fake news, as if he had never done anything, as he claims, he would probably be irritated by an investigation that slowed him down politically but he would NOT be demanding a pledge of loyalty from the FBI director. Trump's inner demons are constantly being projected onto others. Basically anything he accuses Hillary or anyone else of doing he is doing.
Typical response from Trump talking head on CNN or Fox: "But...but...but Trump isn't worried! You people are all crazzzzy conspiracy nutters! Trump just fired General Flynn because he didn't like his squeaky shoes, not because he is tangled up in the Russian mess up to his eyeballs! Everybody knows that Flynn is one of the bestest men ever ever and the evil MSM just destroyed him! And Trump just asked Comey about whether or not he was being investigated as part of the totally fake Russia investigation, three times, and when poor persecuted Prez Trump couldn't get a definitive answer or "pledge of loyalty" he decided to fire him just like any other president would (not) do!!! Now pivot to Hillary Pivot to Hillary! Pivot! Pivot! Mention something about the dnc and Bernie! SQUIRREL! Talk about winning Michigan! Talk about Ronald Reagan! Oh yes, finish with the trifecta: the grand finale of evil immigrants, terrorism threats, and the Bowling Green massacre!!!"
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Innocent people would never think about it, much less fret about it or need to worry. Do they really think we are either too stupid or totally controlled by their propaganda, or is their surreality bubble so beyond flawed that they've lost sight of reality?
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Takket
(21,564 posts)after Trump is impeached I look forward to finding out the truth bout JFK and moon landing too. Sources are saying!
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)And once you are the go-to person, other informants contact you first. Plus, she has built a collective of researchers who are collaborating online and they benefit from each others work.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)GCHQ has a lot of information.
iluvtennis
(19,852 posts)Goodheart
(5,321 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Leghorn21
(13,524 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)But at least now he can take the bar, become a lawyer, and defend himself.
Leghorn21
(13,524 posts)weeks! He could tack up his attorney shingle in no time! "Says who?" - see, nothin to it!
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Leghorn21
(13,524 posts)lauferlaw's comment/cheering section, ICYMI:
https://mobile.twitter.com/lauferlaw/status/863585755884642304
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Just sayin . . .
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Do they live under a bridge in Moscow, watching American social media non-stop?
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)and delete these.
Comrade Donald
(66 posts)They are passionate about my...innocence.
I take names, and pay bigly for their loyalty.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)But this time we got a link to this thread
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)No doubt we'll get more trolls over there.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)For some reason the Mensch grump-a-lump trolls show up in force every single weekend nowadays, especially Saturdays, contribute nothing positive (imho of course -- their threads are just filled with depressing posts about how our thinking is worthless and their threads contain nothing helpful or constructive -- constructive posts include analyses or ideas for any action such as calling one's congress critter or senator, sending emails and listing email addresses so that we can contact various officials, etc). They seem to have zero faith in the simple and true notion that DUers are capable of reading, and evaluating for themselves, material from sources like Mensch's twitter feed without losing all contact with reality 🙄
I also have noticed the total doom and gloom outlook of the weekend crowd: the anti-Mensch "concern trolls" bray like eeyore about how all of the DUers and dems in general just need to stop talking about impeachment (!) and give up when it comes to Trump being impeached or even held accountable in some serious way for his traitorous behavior. Some of them seem to do anything they can to shit on her credibility (the old "poisoning the well" fallacy) and scold us in very pedantic ways about how we shouldn't believe "everything we read on the internet" (sigh) -- because, you know, DUers are not capable of rational thought and basic reading comprehension AMD the ability to remain sceptical about a source and to evaluate it carefully, in context.
Anyway I am resorting more to "ignore" these days than I ever did in the past -- but I just feel that the negativity is not helpful and we really need positive, constructive energy right now -- not to mention the fact the Trump's people paid a gazillion Russian trolls. They weren't all just Russian of course but many were/are Russian, and they all were to fight anyone online who made a negative remark against their god in addition to attacking pro-left online sources and trying to bury websites that supported Hillary or Bernie. They had a strategy to bury the pro-left sites and YouTube channels and raise the pro-Donald sites by giving them exponentially more hits through various forms of trickery.
I mean my god the subreddit on reddit that is devoted to Donald Trump, well, just don't go there - "The Donald" worship and of course drooling over Ivanka and Melania is unreal on there. Comical even, the most absurd spin and absurdist political theater that would make Brecht turn over in his grave, like Baghdad Bob. The site's silly graphics look like something someone designed in North Korea. I think a lot of the subreddit posters are Russian paid posters, seriously, since one of the reddit employees noticed various odd discrepancies that wouldn't show up in a "normal" Reddit account. They also word their comments very strangely at times; they are not likely native English speakers. Apparently too it's been said that they put posts through google translator.
Anyway, apologies for the rant!!! There were a bunch of "I am sooooooo concerned about Louise Mensch and poor, gullible, DUers" threads yesterday and it was really bothering me. And now I don't understand why the thread w/the link to RawStory was locked.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Jason Leopold flashbacks.
Freethinker65
(10,017 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Freethinker65
(10,017 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)renegade000
(2,301 posts)Some commentators on their twitter feed have dismissed it as ipso facto false because the FISA court doesn't issue indictments.
Of course, nothing to say that given extraordinary circumstances, like say, the president on tape colluding with hostile foreign powers to subvert the law/democratic process, they couldn't impanel a special grand jury and issue a sealed indictment. I mean the courts have thrown their weight around before on occasion (e.g. Marbury v Madison).
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Something had to break. One has to wonder if Trump already was served and knew this when he fired Comey. When did Trump lawyer up?
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)out of the picture like Dan Rather.
I'm not saying I wouldnt be thrilled if its true though just that until its confirmed that I wouldnt get your hopes up.
Edit: And firing Comey wouldnt do much as the real power is Congress and only they have the power to impeach him and if they refuse I dont see any case likely to go forward against Trump.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)evaluating requests for surveillance of foreign personnel under the FISA act. Grand juries produce indictments under the oversight of an ordinary federal district court. I don't want to be a party pooper, but there are no indictments of anybody coming from a FISA court.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)can empanel grand juries. They supervise requests for surveillance, period. It is possible that one of the 11 federal judges who sit on the FISA court convened a grand jury in his or her capacity as a regular federal district judge. I don't know who Andrew C. Laufer, Esq., is, but I think he's wrong on this.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)renegade000
(2,301 posts)But theoretically what would prevent the FISA court from simply impaneling its own grand jury and generating a sealed indictment? Just precedence?
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)other than of course being useful for rallying Democratic voters around for the next 10+ years?
renegade000
(2,301 posts)Some actual incriminating evidence is going to need to leak in order for the GOP to really start abandoning ship. Of course, every breath that the administration has to waste decrying "fake news" is at least time that they can't spend on their agenda.
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)would still not vote to impeach.
No, if we want our government back then we need to really focus on Congress and the state level offices as well especially in states where the party in control can setup the districts.
Thats really the only way we have to blunt him due to the restrictions on how many votes it would take to impeach Trump which the Democrats have no chance of obtaining until 2020 at the earliest and even then its unlikely to happen.
renegade000
(2,301 posts)But it's going to be a lot easier to for us to make progress politically if we're operating in an environment where the GOP is covering for someone who is in serious trouble with the law.
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)There's no reason for a FISA court to convene a grand jury because (a) the FISA courts' job is only to decide whether to issue FISA warrants for surveillance; and (b) all of the judges who sit on the FISA court are also regular federal judges whose powers include the convening of grand juries under Rule 6 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)I don't know whether it is some deliberate troll of this journalist or not, but if it is, it proves that said journalist is too stupid to use wikipedia.
On its face, it is impossible.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)The powers of any federal court are defined by specific legislation that creates the court. The FISA court has no such power.
It is not a question of precedent. It is a question of their statutory jurisdiction.
renegade000
(2,301 posts)bench scientist
(1,107 posts)womanofthehills
(8,703 posts)ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(15,605 posts)Well, I won't get fooled again.
We all want Trump impeached; if and when an indictment is unsealed, I will join the celebrations, but for now, color me skeptical.
I propose there be a sub forum General Discussion: Unsubstantiated Rumors.
Erick the Read
(55 posts)"patribotics"???
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)and I have to hope it will be.
But I got burned by Fitzmas and will be ever skeptical until I see it with my own eyes.
BannonsLiver
(16,370 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)nycbos
(6,034 posts)So it probably is
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)and wake Mr. pig from his nap.
tritsofme
(17,377 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Link to tweet
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Louise Mensch "I would like to wish @FBI a very happy #ComeyDay and thank Federal prosecutors and judges for their work"
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jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Or is it going to be a fixed-date holiday like Fitzmas?
enid602
(8,616 posts)"While it is understood that the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution means that, until Mr. Trump is impeached, he cannot be prosecuted. . ." What about asset seizure.? That would be a bit embarrassing for him. Just saying, it is a RICO Grand Jury; such juries generally produce indictments, and they generally seize assets.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)My first suspicion is related to Mike Flynn and the Russians, Logan Act violations
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply, himself or his agent, to any foreign government or the agents thereof for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.
Quixote1818
(28,930 posts)Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)And they could find enough on at least 22 gop congressman to indct them and give Dems the majority in the house, wouldn't that be far more effective?
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)That way the Feds don't have to share classified information with twelve random jurors who couldn't figure out how to get out of jury duty.
Maybe the dynamic duo are confusing a grand jury indictment based on information gathered under a FISA warrant?
Maybe it's an intentional leak designed to ferret out who's been leaking to them?
Maybe they're phonies or crackheads or something?
I'm optimistic, but not hopeful.
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)lamp_shade
(14,831 posts)Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)Once again lying liars tell all the lies that people want to hear.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)I can understand if you job is to post negative stuff, but I don't understand if you don't actually understand.
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Read this thread if you want to understand:
Trump's New Impeachable Offenses: Obstruction of Justice, Conspiracy, Abuse of Power
Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)HE said something that vaguely resembled some of her bullshit and she declared victory!
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)A very long river in Egypt.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Republicans would be ignoring a criminal indictment of Trump at their peril. We don't have all the details yet, but there are apparently others named in the indictment who may plead guilty or be found guilty, and their trials may proceed apace even if the sitting president isn't brought into the court trying others under the same indictment, effectively producing the situation of a known criminal as sitting President. If the Republican Party chooses to ignore a criminal as their leader, they will be voted out en masse.
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L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)This news provides a lot more insight. This is likely a Logan Act violation given Flynn is indicted too.
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Louise Mensch? "... major thanks going out to FINCEN and all the NOC and intelligence agents working this case"
MikeFarb? @mikefarb1 11h11 hours ago
Mike Farb "By the way it is Red Wine for an Impeachment."
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cwydro
(51,308 posts)We're still waiting, I guess.
Smh.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Fake news is really getting a hold here on DU.
Smh.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Rosenstein and Boente already met with Senate Intel last week, so they already know Trump is indicted. The process is unfolding apace. Given these circumstances and trump's own admissions, impeachment should follow in due order. Take you pick of crimes to impeach at this point! I'm going with treason and the Logan Act violations will do it. No need to find out who paid the hackers for trump if he sold out the country during the transition.
Trump's New Impeachable Offenses: Obstruction of Justice, Conspiracy, Abuse of Power
cwydro
(51,308 posts)but I think you're counting chickens before they're hatched.
Time will tell.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)If Trump had released his taxes and was not hiding his collusions we would not need speculation.
and if MSM was doing a proper job uncovering this MESS we are in... we would not need to speculate.
We would already have most questions answered.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)PubliusEnigma
(1,583 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Obama did not try "to get rid of Dana Boente" who he appointed to his job. Obama only changed the order of Justice Department succession. Was this because Boente was too busy investigating Trump, Manafort, Flynn, and the rest of the Russia connections?
Did Trump fall for a brilliant Obama chess move which Obama didn't even know was a chess move?
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.... the following officers, in the order listed, shall act as and perform the functions and duties of the office of Attorney General, during any period in which the Attorney General, the Deputy Attorney General, the Associate Attorney General, and any officers designated by the Attorney General pursuant to 28 U.S.C. 508 to act as Attorney General have died, resigned, or otherwise become unable to perform the functions and duties of the office of Attorney General, until such time as at least one of the officers mentioned above is able to perform the functions and duties of that office:
(a) United States Attorney for the District of Columbia;
(b) United States Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois; and
(c) United States Attorney for the Central District of California.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Trump issued an executive order March 31st such that the USA for EDNC is second in succession after Boente, currently John Stuart Bruce, an unconfirmed Obama appointee in an acting capacity. So, the office becomes vacant soon and Trump can appoint anyone he likes. Interesting how Trump is scheming to consolidate power and/or control the investigations into himself.
beaglelover
(3,469 posts)I won't hold my breath waiting for this news to be proven true.
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Until Comey testified this year? You're probably still blue (pun intended.)
FBI has FISA warrant for Trump secret server connected to Russia.
You may not need to hold your breath quite as long this time:
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L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)May 12, 2017 by emptywheel
As a reminder, Dana Boente is the US Attorney of Eastern District of VA. With Rosensteins confirmation as DAG, Boente is the last remaining confirmed US Attorney in the United States. Boentes office is overseeing at least two parts of the Russian investigation: the generalized investigation into Wikileaks, and the investigation into Trumps campaign. The latter investigation recently issued subpoenas to Mike Flynn associates. There are reportedly parts of the investigation in three other places: some work being done in Main Justice, as well a a team investigating Guccifer 2.0/Shadow Brokers in San Francisco, and a team investigating the Russian hackers in Pittsburgh.
But the bulk of what people think of as the Russian investigation the investigation into Trumps cronies is happening in EDVA, overseen by The Last USA.
In addition to reporting up to Rosenstein as DAG and Rosenstein as Acting AG for the Russian investigation, Boente just took over as Acting Assistant Attorney General for National Security Division the office that reviews things like FISA orders. That means Boente for better and worse has more authority, on several levels, than a Special Counsel would have. ........
While I think it is permissible to hire someone from outside of DOJ to do that job ..........
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WoonTars
(694 posts)Wake me up when something from that Thatcher fan pans out will you? Meanwhile, I'm going to keep updating my Fitzmas list...
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Link to tweet
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AP Jan 31, 2017 .... Dana Boente, the US Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, was named Monday by President Trump to replace Sally Yates as acting attorney general. ........... Boente promptly ordered Justice Department lawyers to do our sworn duty and to defend the lawful orders of our President.
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L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)onenote
(42,700 posts)On the one hand, he's a Trump toady which explains why Trump reinstated him at the top of the AG succession line and why Sessions named him to head up the Russian investigation. On other hand, he apparently is a crusading independent-minded prosecutor who allegedly has been seeking (and obtained) indictments against Trump, Sessions and more than five dozen other individuals.
Maybe its just me, but isn't it unlikely that both of those things are true?
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)Intended to make him attractive to Trump. And Like a brainless ant, Trump eagerly took the poisoned bait into the nest.
No idea if it's true, but it's a cool theory. I wouldn't put it past the 3-D Chess master.
Did the Obama Administration Try Stacking the Deck Against Trump at the Justice Department?
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Link to tweet
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2. Will be drawn for 6 individuals related to this fuckery we currently call government. 4 will result from grand juries from SDNY. 2. from
3. EDVA. I cannot reveal any names so DONT ASK. #OPSEC my childrens. They are prominent names. It's not a matter of IF but when. It's a bit
4. of a logistical issue for those involved, and continuity. There are others in the pipeline. Many others, in the teens. Anyone who's been
5. A Fed will tell you we snatch the smallest of fishies first, flip them if we can & work up the chain. Think asymmetrical warfare AGAIN.
6. POTUS Fat Kid goes wheels up tomorrow. Divide, isolate his cabal. Wreak havoc from within. Contact, close with, & destroy the enemy. It's
7. Going to be a rough couple of weeks for these cats as reality starts to set in. ............
...............
Oneironaut
(5,493 posts)This is all bullshit. It's almost Pizzagate-like in its level of fiction.
"I cannot reveal names" Riiiight...
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)Coming in low for a gun pass...
#BRRRRRRT
Gotta love it!
onenote
(42,700 posts)Against the RNC? As an organization or against the 150 or so members of the RNC? Against Priebus as head of the RNC (at the time)? Against every registered republican in the country?
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)The Supremacy Clause
Next, lets unpack the meaning of the second part of Mensch/Taylors brief article, which mentions the Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution. The Supremacy Clause establishes federal preemptionthat is, federal laws, treaties, and regulations generally preempt any related state or local laws/regulations. It doesnt have anything to do with the arrest, impeachment, or prosecution of a sitting president. So while Mensch and Taylor are mostly right about the Presidents constitutional privileges when it comes to criminal charges, the Supremacy Clause doesnt enter into it.
Law professor Susan Low Bloch of Georgetown University authored a paper addressing this issue in 1997Can We Indict a Sitting President? In 1998, Bloch testified before the House Judiciary Committee on impeachable offenses, and she later testified before the Senate on whether a sitting president could be indicted and tried. The question itself is a sticky one, which has many possible legal interpretations. On its face, Section 3, Article I of the Constitution suggests that impeachment must occur before any subsequent indictment, as asserted by Mensch and Taylor: .............
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CanonRay
(14,101 posts)but I'll believe it when I see it.
SoCalMusicLover
(3,194 posts)I'm not going to hold my breath on ANYTHING happening to Drumpf or his minions.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Link to tweet
I love the irony of the quote in bold below. Pigs find truffles they cannot see underground using their sense of smell. Whether or not the pig can see is irrelevant, someone is directing the pig where to smell. So, right off, we know we have a writer who gets things wrong writing that another writer gets things wrong. The need for vigilance in distinguishing real journalism from fake news is well established indeed.
16 May 2017 11.39 EDT
Louise Mensch is among a number of bloggers offering a mix of true and inaccurate stories, forcing readers to discern for truth for themselves
The need for vigilance in distinguishing real journalism from fake news has become well established since Donald Trump was elected with help from bogus online stories.
But readers are now being confronted with an even tougher challenge: decoding the work of writers whose track records of faulty reporting are occasionally interrupted by stories that are actually true.
The trait has appeared among pro- and anti-Trump writers alike, as bloggers on each side of a chaotic political crisis mix information from knowledgeable insiders with wild allegations about their opponents.
Media experts said readers should remain on guard.
Even a blind pig finds a truffle once in a while, said Kathleen Culver, director of the University of Madison-Wisconsins Center for Journalism Ethics. .......
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)1. The MOE (Marshal Order of Execution) began yesterday afternoon (confirmed by NBC) is search and seizure in 10 physical locations in three
2. three jurisdictions. Aimed at documents, servers, computers, hard drives, telephones etc.
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