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Tommy_Carcetti

(43,265 posts)
Sun May 14, 2017, 08:19 AM May 2017

A word of advice for approaching unconfirmed rumors you want to believe:

Store away.

Don't immediately proclaim them as truth. Don't throw them away. Store them away.

Just put them in an imaginary bag, hold onto it, don't make too much about it, and see how things ultimately turn out.

If it's confirmed you can have the satisfaction that you heard it first. If it's never confirmed, you can later quietly move it to the dustbin without having made a fool of yourself.

Store away, not throw away or shout about.

ON EDIT: Please note this is not an attack on Louise Mensch or Claude Taylor. This is not saying they are providing us false information. This is only to day they are giving us information that to date remains unverified and therefore we should take a wait and see attitude on it.

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A word of advice for approaching unconfirmed rumors you want to believe: (Original Post) Tommy_Carcetti May 2017 OP
Great advice. Squinch May 2017 #1
k&k nt moriah May 2017 #2
That's what most DUers do. brush May 2017 #3
Yeah take me for example retrowire May 2017 #5
I don't find that to be all that true mythology May 2017 #6
I don't agree. brush May 2017 #8
I think I'm pretty sophisticated about language BadgerMom May 2017 #26
Thank you. I share your position. WheelWalker May 2017 #34
Yes! Thank you for your post, BadgerMom. Silver Gaia May 2017 #40
+1 uponit7771 May 2017 #22
Sometimes Charlotte Little May 2017 #39
There's this, too, Charlotte. Silver Gaia May 2017 #41
If something is too bad or good to be true it likely is. DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #4
And rumors that are later confirmed serve as validation of the source. Jim__ May 2017 #7
And that's one reason I'm not immediately discarding Mensch Tommy_Carcetti May 2017 #16
Agreed. I've been watching Louise Mensch, calimary May 2017 #24
I remember Fitzmas, but I don't think it affected me like it did others. Silver Gaia May 2017 #42
Are we all children here? Have we never read reports or heard rumors before? How delicate ARE we?! WinkyDink May 2017 #9
But what role does credibility play? HopeAgain May 2017 #14
hopefully most people will use the unconfirmed 'news'.. samnsara May 2017 #10
Thank you wryter2000 May 2017 #11
I've been amazed at the gullibility of many DUers. cwydro May 2017 #13
It's probably all crap. SansACause May 2017 #12
If Trump had released his taxes and was not hiding his collusions we would not need speculation. Madam45for2923 May 2017 #15
the same advice applies to rumors you DON'T want to believe or feel are not viable options uncle ray May 2017 #17
Even more important to remember now that fake news has metastasized. wildeyed May 2017 #18
Sorta disagree Jim Dandy May 2017 #19
agree. Almost seems like this was planned for a 'got you' next week (so Comey looks like a leaker) Sunlei May 2017 #20
Wise advice, indeed. nt cry baby May 2017 #21
Whats this new Cryptoad May 2017 #23
You don't have to read every thread if it upsets you. Simple as that. PubliusEnigma May 2017 #25
Seems as if you didn't read he O/P? Dem2 May 2017 #28
Welcome to du. I recommend you re-read the OP uppityperson May 2017 #31
Yes Dem2 May 2017 #27
Good advice. Keep your eyes open, check source track records and verify reports. RelativelyJones May 2017 #29
Claude Taylor has issued a clarification: Qutzupalotl May 2017 #30
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2017 #32
I agree. That's what I did. Unverified, but not proven false OR true, not reported across news orgs. Honeycombe8 May 2017 #33
K&R. nt defacto7 May 2017 #35
Sound advice bucolic_frolic May 2017 #36
Indeed. PatrickforO May 2017 #37
Sage advice Mr. Ected May 2017 #38

brush

(54,512 posts)
3. That's what most DUers do.
Sun May 14, 2017, 08:28 AM
May 2017

I don't get why there are so many posts on this.

DUers are pretty sophisticated news consumers, not children who need to be told the obvious.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
5. Yeah take me for example
Sun May 14, 2017, 08:39 AM
May 2017

I read it stepped back and thought "well that'd be swell" and carried on.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
6. I don't find that to be all that true
Sun May 14, 2017, 08:49 AM
May 2017

Most people, DUers included, tend to believe what they want to believe, regardless of the evidence. For example, look at all the people who jump on any unsubstantiated claim of election fraud.

brush

(54,512 posts)
8. I don't agree.
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:05 AM
May 2017

Your sentence below is a good example:

"...look at all the people who jump on any unsubstantiated claim of election fraud."


Most DUers know better than that.

My post was about most DUers being pretty sophisticated about overly optimistic indictment posts, or even silly, repug talking points, all which we take with a grain of salt.

I certainly wasn't referring to random, gullible deplorables who eat that stuff up.

BadgerMom

(2,789 posts)
26. I think I'm pretty sophisticated about language
Sun May 14, 2017, 12:03 PM
May 2017

I was a summa cum laude Phi Beta Kappa English major at UC. I wrote for two newspapers and taught English/language arts at the secondary level. My best friend's husband reported for The NY Times for decades. I only offer these facts as evidence to support my headline statement above.

I have a trigger with paternalism.

I know Louise Mensch is not an unassailable source. She is wrong until she's right. I don't write OPs about her work or wait breathlessly for magic to happen. I do read her on Twitter. I also believe that posting the Twitter-verse buzz is reasonable. Sometimes they break news earlier than anyone else. That is the reality today. Some info breaks earliest from highly impeachable sources. All of us live in this world now. If you don't trust yourself to handle questionably sourced material, pass it by. If not, let us adults deal with it ourselves.

Stop telling us all how to deal with this information. We're adults.

Silver Gaia

(4,564 posts)
40. Yes! Thank you for your post, BadgerMom.
Mon May 15, 2017, 02:29 AM
May 2017

I am also a well-educated summa cum laude graduate and I hold an M.A. degree as well. I do not need to be told how to think, nor do I think DUers in general need to be told such things. We are sophisticated enough to value critical thinking. I am fully capable of following Louise Mensch or Claude Taylor without somehow becoming a gullible rube, and I agree that Twitter is where breaking news is often found in today's world. I am tired of seeing threads attempting to tell us how to think about this, and I don't have a problem with DUers posting and discussing it. Enough already.

Charlotte Little

(658 posts)
39. Sometimes
Sun May 14, 2017, 10:32 PM
May 2017

...people need hope.

These are not normal times. We are witnessing the country being taken over by not only the Russians, but by the fundamentalists, white-supremacists, neo-nazis and Goldman Sachs. Many of us are stressed and in a state of dismay over how much Trump is getting away with. We recognize that our democracy can be lost very easily and we're up against the clock given the damage that Trump, his administration and the republicans are doing each and every day.

We're not children and you are correct - we don't need to be told the obvious. So, please, stop criticizing and over-analyzing the needs of others. Let us speculate and hope. Let us come to our own conclusions. If L&M turn out to be charlatans, we'll have to deal with it. But for now, I like that little bit of hope I feel when Claude's tweet pops up in my feed - like these:

<a href=".html" target="_blank"><img src="" border="0" alt=" photo Claudetweet1.png"/></a>

<a href=".html" target="_blank"><img src="" border="0" alt=" photo Claudetweet2.png"/></a>

Because of these two tweets, I may fall asleep tonight not tossing and turning in fear for the future of this country and planet, but instead to counting indictments in my head.

Silver Gaia

(4,564 posts)
41. There's this, too, Charlotte.
Mon May 15, 2017, 02:40 AM
May 2017

Hope is so very important. For me, it is hope that keeps me in the fight as well as soothes my fear enough to let me sleep. Despair is not a motivator for me. Fear and despair just make me feel like giving up. Having even a shred of hope fuels my desire to resist, to fight. I need it.

Jim__

(14,152 posts)
7. And rumors that are later confirmed serve as validation of the source.
Sun May 14, 2017, 08:59 AM
May 2017

Not confirmation of one story, but sources that present stories that consistently turn out to be true are clearly reliable. Storing the information allows you to track the credibility of various sources.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,265 posts)
16. And that's one reason I'm not immediately discarding Mensch
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:48 AM
May 2017

It does appear she was indeed correct about FISA warrants during the election circling Trump's circle.

But it's just too early to tell regarding her more recent claims.

calimary

(81,984 posts)
24. Agreed. I've been watching Louise Mensch,
Sun May 14, 2017, 11:12 AM
May 2017

And Claude Taylor. John Schindler, too. Most interesting. So far they have a pretty intriguing track record.

But it makes total sense to file their stuff away and not ordering the champagne yet. There's a LOT to do and a long time to come.

And remember "Fitzmas"? We can't afford to get carried away on assumptions.

We can't afford to get carried away abd get complacent, either. This is nowhere near a done deal or a sure thing. The work and The Resistance must continue!

Silver Gaia

(4,564 posts)
42. I remember Fitzmas, but I don't think it affected me like it did others.
Mon May 15, 2017, 02:52 AM
May 2017

For me, there is no let-down so great as what unfolded the night of November 8, 2016, and not just because Hillary was not going to become the first woman president, but because that meant that this horror show we are witnessing was about to be unleashed upon us. I had assumed that America would not allow that to happen. Boy, was I wrong. That was the greatest let-down I have ever experienced. Nothing else compares, not Fitzmas, nothing.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
9. Are we all children here? Have we never read reports or heard rumors before? How delicate ARE we?!
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:07 AM
May 2017

I guess one can conclude that I don't take kindly to unsolicited advice.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
14. But what role does credibility play?
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:44 AM
May 2017

In effective resistance?

Just asking... Trump is saying the "Russia thing" is fake news. Does it help to give them examples?

People are free to tweet, post and restate whatever they want, but I believe that when truth is on our side, it is our best weapon.

samnsara

(17,737 posts)
10. hopefully most people will use the unconfirmed 'news'..
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:12 AM
May 2017

..as a jumping off platform to start doing their own research into the issue.

wryter2000

(46,361 posts)
11. Thank you
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:37 AM
May 2017

I've seen some wild speculation here. Believing in Fitzmas is only going to lead to disappointment.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
13. I've been amazed at the gullibility of many DUers.
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:42 AM
May 2017

They want so badly to believe something is true that they believe any hopeful rumor at face value.

SansACause

(520 posts)
12. It's probably all crap.
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:40 AM
May 2017

But boy howdy what a great piece of fiction it would make! I suspect people are already writing books about the fictional election of Ronald Drumpf.

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
15. If Trump had released his taxes and was not hiding his collusions we would not need speculation.
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:46 AM
May 2017

and if MSM was doing a proper job uncovering this MESS we are in... we would not need to speculate.

We would already have most questions answered.

uncle ray

(3,162 posts)
17. the same advice applies to rumors you DON'T want to believe or feel are not viable options
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:53 AM
May 2017

because "it can't happen" or "it hasn't happened before" etc.

we are so far off in uncharted territory now, we have no idea what the map we are drafting will look like when complete.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
18. Even more important to remember now that fake news has metastasized.
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:53 AM
May 2017

We have no idea who most of the people spreading the info are or what their agenda is. I think it is fine to speculate, as long as everyone knows it is just speculation. Also, I still remember "Fitzmas". That was a painful let down. Sigh.

 

Jim Dandy

(358 posts)
19. Sorta disagree
Sun May 14, 2017, 10:04 AM
May 2017

I don't think anyone should be suppressing information because they are afraid someone will accuse them of being factually incorrect. Things need to be discussed and evaluated. We're adults here, and not in need of information nannies. If people want to be happy about something, or outraged, or whatever they feel at the moment, let them be. Life has enough scolds as it is.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
20. agree. Almost seems like this was planned for a 'got you' next week (so Comey looks like a leaker)
Sun May 14, 2017, 10:20 AM
May 2017

I bet the old (R)udy is behind this

PubliusEnigma

(1,583 posts)
25. You don't have to read every thread if it upsets you. Simple as that.
Sun May 14, 2017, 11:23 AM
May 2017

Don't pretend like a call for limiting discussion is for the greater good, though.



Dem2

(8,168 posts)
27. Yes
Sun May 14, 2017, 12:05 PM
May 2017

I would never repeat anything like these rumors, unfair to those who see me as a reliable source and not a rumor monger.

Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
33. I agree. That's what I did. Unverified, but not proven false OR true, not reported across news orgs.
Sun May 14, 2017, 06:43 PM
May 2017

I try to remember it, but don't regard it as fact at this time.

bucolic_frolic

(44,026 posts)
36. Sound advice
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:40 PM
May 2017

Mensch & Taylor are not the only ones on Twitter with such threads .. a new one or two with
different info than those two have appeared today.

Thing is .. taken as a whole, while ebullient in parts, they fit together and have the ring of truth.

I'd say we'll know a lot more as the days roll by, and the net is getting bigger all the time.

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