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(51,308 posts)I'm a big history buff, especially of the Tudor era.
You just know that he would have had Comey sent off to the Tower if he only could.
It would be funny if it weren't so eerily similar.
tblue37
(65,550 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)And same habits that caused it no doubt.
However, young Henry was quite an athlete in his youth, not so for the pompous prick.
tblue37
(65,550 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Please.
GBizzle
(209 posts)I had to look it up, I had no idea it was an insult specific to Orange Hitler.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I just can't.
He sickens me, quite literally.
wishstar
(5,273 posts)Just like the women Henry VIII had an eye for, my advice would be to run for the hills as far away as possible from him
trueblue2007
(17,250 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)cagefreesoylentgreen
(838 posts)tblue37
(65,550 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)I imagine his intellectual ability would far surpass that of blotus.
And he'd kick Blotus' ass in a joust!
Zorro
(15,756 posts)So there's at least that going in his favor.
oasis
(49,486 posts)as possessing that kind of character. He is definitely NOT hero material.
The Henry Vlll comparison to the ruthless, egomaniacal Trump is right on.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,412 posts)He was quite happy to persecute heretics before the divorce started.
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Even more controversial was More's role in events leading up to several burnings for heresy. In close co-operation with Stokesley, More arrested George Constantine for heresy in 1531. Constantine was a dealer in Protestant books, who gave away much information about his fellow reformers before escaping in early December. More had had him imprisoned in the stocks at his house in Chelsea, which he kept in his porter's lodge. But Constantine broke the frame, scaled More's garden wall and fled to Antwerp. Sir Thomas joked in his Apology that he must have fed the heretic properly for him to achieve this feat of strength. Yet More's humour was sadly inappropriate. It was on information gleaned from Constantine that Richard Bayfield, a Benedictine monk and book pedlar, was seized, interrogated by Stokesley and burned at Smithfield. Bayfield had been converted to Lutheranism by Robert Barnes, and when caught had in his possession books by Luther and Zwingli. Being a relapsed heretic, More described him in his Confutation as 'a dog returning to his vomit'. Next Sir Thomas caught a leather-seller named John Tewkesbury, who was also held at Chelsea until tried by Stokesley. On sentence, he was handed back to the secular arm and burned on December 20th, 1531. James Bainham, a Middle Temple lawyer, was then reported to More. Examined by Stokesley at More's house, he was found to own books by Tyndale, Frith and Joy. At first Bainham abjured and performed his penance, but later reaffirmed his Protestant faith. He was tried and burned at the stake in April, 1532. More's apologists cannot thus deny that Sir Thomas was personally involved in detecting three out of the six cases of heresy which resulted in burnings during his chancellorship. Neither was he inactive in two of the remaining cases. He railed in the Confutation at Sir Thomas Hitton, burned at Maidstone in 1530, as 'the devil's stinking martyr' who 'hath taken his wretched soul with him straight from the short fire to the fire everlasting'. He also launched a most irregular Star Chamber investigation into the question of Thomas Bilney's supposed recantation prior to his being burned in the Lollards' Pit in Norwich in August, 1531, using his powers as Lord Chancellor inquisitorially and in a style contrary to the Star Chamber's accepted procedure.
http://www.historytoday.com/john-guy/sir-thomas-more-and-heretics
oasis
(49,486 posts)Btw, thanks for the interesting background information on Sir Thomas More.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I can't imagine.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)useful until he wasn't.
Princess Turandot
(4,790 posts)courtesy of Holbein (the Younger) and Henry Frick, Thomas Cromwell.
The Frick Collection, NYC
As Henry's chief minister, he had a bit to do with the events leading to the murder of More. Unfortunately for him, after helping engineer the beheading of Queen Anne Boleyn on false charges in order to see Henry married to wife #3, Jane Seymour, wife #3 died from complications of giving birth.
Cromwell made the error of recommending Anne of Cleves to Henry, as wife #4 in a political alliance. When she arrived from Cleves, Henry decided that she was not attractive enough for him, but he married her anyway. Happily for her, he soon decided to annul the marriage and declared her his sister, rather than just murdering her to save time.
Not so happily for Cromwell, Henry forgot about his past assistance/loyalty to him. He soon had a date with the same execution block on Tower Hill where he had helped send both More and Anne Boleyn.
Txbluedog
(1,128 posts)and this s*it was expected of him. You crossed or displeased him you went to the Tower. Cheeto is an elected leader