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Henry VIII on "loyalty" (Original Post) Cattledog May 2017 OP
The shitgibbon has put me in my mind of old Enery more than once. cwydro May 2017 #1
Same figure. nt tblue37 May 2017 #4
Yes indeed. cwydro May 2017 #6
Actually, Cheato was also athletic as a young man. nt tblue37 May 2017 #10
Baseball? cwydro May 2017 #19
I laughed for 5 straight minutes at "shitgibbon"! GBizzle May 2017 #16
I just can't call him by name. cwydro May 2017 #18
I thought of Henry VIII regarding Trump possibly wanting Kim Guilfoyle to be spokesperson wishstar May 2017 #2
I HATE HENRY VIII .... i am do ticked off with his beheading his wifes. trueblue2007 May 2017 #3
Well, he didn't do that to ALL of them, ya know... cwydro May 2017 #7
He has something to say about that cagefreesoylentgreen May 2017 #11
OTOH, HVIII was a highly educated man, though a spoiled tyrant. nt tblue37 May 2017 #5
This is true. cwydro May 2017 #20
Well Henry VIII certainly didn't pander to the main Christian religious institution of his day Zorro May 2017 #8
When I think of "A Man For All Seasons", Comey doesn't come to mind oasis May 2017 #9
More had his own faults too muriel_volestrangler May 2017 #13
Yup, More had his faults, but he was certainly not a flake like Comey. oasis May 2017 #14
More also wore a hair shirt daily. cwydro May 2017 #21
I see Comey as more a Woolsey type ucrdem May 2017 #15
Then there's the guy who stares at More across time, space and a mantelpiece... Princess Turandot May 2017 #12
Again, Henry VIII was an ABSOLUTE MONARCH... Txbluedog May 2017 #17
 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
1. The shitgibbon has put me in my mind of old Enery more than once.
Sun May 14, 2017, 08:08 PM
May 2017

I'm a big history buff, especially of the Tudor era.

You just know that he would have had Comey sent off to the Tower if he only could.

It would be funny if it weren't so eerily similar.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
6. Yes indeed.
Sun May 14, 2017, 08:26 PM
May 2017

And same habits that caused it no doubt.

However, young Henry was quite an athlete in his youth, not so for the pompous prick.

 

GBizzle

(209 posts)
16. I laughed for 5 straight minutes at "shitgibbon"!
Mon May 15, 2017, 10:27 AM
May 2017

I had to look it up, I had no idea it was an insult specific to Orange Hitler.

wishstar

(5,273 posts)
2. I thought of Henry VIII regarding Trump possibly wanting Kim Guilfoyle to be spokesperson
Sun May 14, 2017, 08:11 PM
May 2017

Just like the women Henry VIII had an eye for, my advice would be to run for the hills as far away as possible from him

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
20. This is true.
Mon May 15, 2017, 02:35 PM
May 2017

I imagine his intellectual ability would far surpass that of blotus.

And he'd kick Blotus' ass in a joust!

Zorro

(15,756 posts)
8. Well Henry VIII certainly didn't pander to the main Christian religious institution of his day
Sun May 14, 2017, 08:43 PM
May 2017

So there's at least that going in his favor.

oasis

(49,486 posts)
9. When I think of "A Man For All Seasons", Comey doesn't come to mind
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:39 PM
May 2017

as possessing that kind of character. He is definitely NOT hero material.

The Henry Vlll comparison to the ruthless, egomaniacal Trump is right on.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,412 posts)
13. More had his own faults too
Mon May 15, 2017, 05:04 AM
May 2017

He was quite happy to persecute heretics before the divorce started.

That More meant what he said is shown by three Star Chamber cases brought as a result of the June proclamation. On October 25th, 1530, John Porseck, one Seymour and their associates were sent by More from the Star Chamber to the Tower 'for having books against the King's proclamation'. In addition, they had to perform public penance, wearing humiliating placards while led through London's streets on horseback facing back-to-front. After this, they had to burn their Protestant books on a bonfire in Cheapside. About the same time, John Tyndale (William's brother), Thomas Patmer (a London merchant) and another were reported to More by Bishop Stokesley as distributors of Tyndale's New Testament. Sir Thomas had them arrested and taken before the Star Chamber. They confessed, and More imprisoned them in the Counter. The next market day, they, too, performed public penance on horse-back, being pelted with rotten fruit while wearing coats 'pinned thick' with the proscribed books. After another bonfire at Cheapside, the men were gaoled pending More's assessment of their fine. The third case was heard on October 14th, 1531. John Cook was on that day convicted in Star Chamber of owning an English New Testament, his Bible being confiscated and he himself imprisoned in the Fleet by More.
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Even more controversial was More's role in events leading up to several burnings for heresy. In close co-operation with Stokesley, More arrested George Constantine for heresy in 1531. Constantine was a dealer in Protestant books, who gave away much information about his fellow reformers before escaping in early December. More had had him imprisoned in the stocks at his house in Chelsea, which he kept in his porter's lodge. But Constantine broke the frame, scaled More's garden wall and fled to Antwerp. Sir Thomas joked in his Apology that he must have fed the heretic properly for him to achieve this feat of strength. Yet More's humour was sadly inappropriate. It was on information gleaned from Constantine that Richard Bayfield, a Benedictine monk and book pedlar, was seized, interrogated by Stokesley and burned at Smithfield. Bayfield had been converted to Lutheranism by Robert Barnes, and when caught had in his possession books by Luther and Zwingli. Being a relapsed heretic, More described him in his Confutation as 'a dog returning to his vomit'. Next Sir Thomas caught a leather-seller named John Tewkesbury, who was also held at Chelsea until tried by Stokesley. On sentence, he was handed back to the secular arm and burned on December 20th, 1531. James Bainham, a Middle Temple lawyer, was then reported to More. Examined by Stokesley at More's house, he was found to own books by Tyndale, Frith and Joy. At first Bainham abjured and performed his penance, but later reaffirmed his Protestant faith. He was tried and burned at the stake in April, 1532. More's apologists cannot thus deny that Sir Thomas was personally involved in detecting three out of the six cases of heresy which resulted in burnings during his chancellorship. Neither was he inactive in two of the remaining cases. He railed in the Confutation at Sir Thomas Hitton, burned at Maidstone in 1530, as 'the devil's stinking martyr' who 'hath taken his wretched soul with him straight from the short fire to the fire everlasting'. He also launched a most irregular Star Chamber investigation into the question of Thomas Bilney's supposed recantation prior to his being burned in the Lollards' Pit in Norwich in August, 1531, using his powers as Lord Chancellor inquisitorially and in a style contrary to the Star Chamber's accepted procedure.

http://www.historytoday.com/john-guy/sir-thomas-more-and-heretics

oasis

(49,486 posts)
14. Yup, More had his faults, but he was certainly not a flake like Comey.
Mon May 15, 2017, 10:08 AM
May 2017

Btw, thanks for the interesting background information on Sir Thomas More.

Princess Turandot

(4,790 posts)
12. Then there's the guy who stares at More across time, space and a mantelpiece...
Sun May 14, 2017, 10:41 PM
May 2017

courtesy of Holbein (the Younger) and Henry Frick, Thomas Cromwell.


The Frick Collection, NYC

As Henry's chief minister, he had a bit to do with the events leading to the murder of More. Unfortunately for him, after helping engineer the beheading of Queen Anne Boleyn on false charges in order to see Henry married to wife #3, Jane Seymour, wife #3 died from complications of giving birth.

Cromwell made the error of recommending Anne of Cleves to Henry, as wife #4 in a political alliance. When she arrived from Cleves, Henry decided that she was not attractive enough for him, but he married her anyway. Happily for her, he soon decided to annul the marriage and declared her his sister, rather than just murdering her to save time.

Not so happily for Cromwell, Henry forgot about his past assistance/loyalty to him. He soon had a date with the same execution block on Tower Hill where he had helped send both More and Anne Boleyn.

 

Txbluedog

(1,128 posts)
17. Again, Henry VIII was an ABSOLUTE MONARCH...
Mon May 15, 2017, 10:34 AM
May 2017

and this s*it was expected of him. You crossed or displeased him you went to the Tower. Cheeto is an elected leader

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