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Eccho

(147 posts)
Sun May 14, 2017, 07:41 PM May 2017

Meet Joe Manchin's primary opponent, Paula Swearengin. You're gonna like her!

Just learning this week about Paula Swearengin running against Manchin in primary. She is described as a coal miner's daughter and environmental activist. She sounds very down to earth and seems to be itching for a political fight with Trump. Paula seems like the perfect antidote to Manchin. The odds of getting out Manchin aren't good, of course, but Paula may be able to give him a good fight and get him to shift left some if nothing else. I'm excited to see how she does and what's she's like in person on the campaign trail.

I came out of posting retirement to ask everyone at DU to follow her on twitter @paulajean2018. I know of no better place to spread the word and maybe we can help get some excitement going about her. Thanks for taking the time to read this.

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Meet Joe Manchin's primary opponent, Paula Swearengin. You're gonna like her! (Original Post) Eccho May 2017 OP
Any relation Jacquette May 2017 #1
My first thought. bathroommonkey76 May 2017 #2
We're gonna hear a lot of 'c*cksucker' bandied about if so superpatriotman May 2017 #13
Hell no nycbos May 2017 #3
Yes, but Eccho May 2017 #4
So we would get another Republican 6 years from now and lose the seat for decades at that point. stevenleser May 2017 #8
Why would we get another Republican? Eccho May 2017 #15
What about that question and its obvious answer don't you get? nt stevenleser May 2017 #19
It is not a question, and the so-called obvious answer is merely your guess. guillaumeb May 2017 #28
No, and no. stevenleser May 2017 #31
So heavily gerrymandered N. Carolina is suddenly in play? guillaumeb May 2017 #35
The Senate seats aren't gerrymandered dsc May 2017 #38
You beat me to it. nt stevenleser May 2017 #42
+1!!! THIS Dustlawyer May 2017 #53
-1, No. nt stevenleser May 2017 #59
C'mon an environmentalist running in WVA? She's a shoe-in. BannonsLiver May 2017 #16
I really wonder about some of these folks. stevenleser May 2017 #20
And one of the biggest reasons democrats have lost in this area JI7 May 2017 #27
We lost most of our "Dinos" to the Rethugs, having helped some of them out with primary attacks. pnwmom May 2017 #23
No, they lost on their own mvd May 2017 #25
That is just a lazy argument. Plenty of progressives have run in those states and been shellacked. stevenleser May 2017 #34
I'm with you and always will be mvd May 2017 #26
Yes but??? sheshe2 May 2017 #52
Exactly! In a heavily red state Manchin votes with Dems. Hortensis May 2017 #58
Sounds good. If she takes off and upsets him.. mvd May 2017 #5
This will not help the Democratic Party to take back Congress in 2018 SecularMotion May 2017 #6
What if Manchin switches parties after the election? Or even before? Eccho May 2017 #7
What if every Democrat switches and Republicans have every seat? stevenleser May 2017 #10
Are you in WV? Eccho May 2017 #12
Is there something besides residence there that you think makes you an expert? stevenleser May 2017 #18
The Sanders connection is toxic for some at DU. guillaumeb May 2017 #29
Sure, you can always make an argument sound bad when you use a strawman version of it. nt stevenleser May 2017 #33
No strawman argument. guillaumeb May 2017 #36
Its a strawman. No one ever said no Democrat should ever be challenged in a Southern or Western stevenleser May 2017 #41
Which leads inevitably to your earlier comment. guillaumeb May 2017 #63
Nope, I wrote a comment about a specific situation, you made a strawman out of it. nt stevenleser May 2017 #68
Could Democrats Nominate Their Own Christine ODonnell in 2018? SecularMotion May 2017 #11
I don't agree with that at all. mvd May 2017 #14
And what has usually happened? Proud Liberal Dem May 2017 #60
Defiantly not nycbos May 2017 #17
If Manchin was going to switch parties Proud Liberal Dem May 2017 #65
I know, this is just ridiculous. nt stevenleser May 2017 #9
Dems are in no position to risk a sure seat to a far lefty who oasis May 2017 #21
I wouldn't assume it would damage Manchin's chances Jim Lane May 2017 #40
Of course it would. We have seen this movie before, haven't we? stevenleser May 2017 #44
Depending on the degree of negative campaigning Manchin's opponent oasis May 2017 #45
LOL JI7 May 2017 #22
Great! Explain how a Berniecrat will win in a General Election. brooklynite May 2017 #24
I grew up in WV, am very tuned in to the politics there. phleshdef May 2017 #30
Right?? wildeyed May 2017 #43
what are her chances in the Primary ? JI7 May 2017 #49
Meet Joe Manchin's daughter GeoWilliam750 May 2017 #32
Message deleted by DU the Administrators Staph May 2017 #46
What is Sanders trying to do? Why is he campaigning for whomever is running against the incumbant Thinkingabout May 2017 #37
I don't think he's done using the DNC, this is bizarre... bettyellen May 2017 #50
After what you added, I oppose her and will support Manchin in the primary. Foamfollower May 2017 #39
What a great idea. Primary a Diem and hand it to the GOPee. No Thanks! Stinky The Clown May 2017 #47
Run for the House bottomofthehill May 2017 #48
I actually really like this idea! Jno_Gilmor_ May 2017 #55
I don't think her message sells in West VA bottomofthehill May 2017 #57
+++++ JHan May 2017 #56
this is where over 40 percent of democrats voted for a prison inmate over Obama JI7 May 2017 #51
It would take a miracle for her to beat Manchin. Tatiana May 2017 #54
No I don't like her...primarying Manchin in a red state is the height of stupidity. Demsrule86 May 2017 #61
I expect Manchin to switch parties if the Democrats get 51 Senators alarimer May 2017 #62
If Democrats win the majority and he is really "on the fence" Proud Liberal Dem May 2017 #66
Does she have a statehouse or Congressional seat she could run for first? Proud Liberal Dem May 2017 #64
Yah, best of luck to her in her campaign. MineralMan May 2017 #67

superpatriotman

(6,252 posts)
13. We're gonna hear a lot of 'c*cksucker' bandied about if so
Sun May 14, 2017, 08:42 PM
May 2017

Personally I welcome a further degrading of our political discourse.

nycbos

(6,038 posts)
3. Hell no
Sun May 14, 2017, 07:50 PM
May 2017

Losing Manchin would hand the seat to the Republicans.

I know we don't like him but I thought Trump
taught us the worst Dem is better than the best Republican now.

Eccho

(147 posts)
4. Yes, but
Sun May 14, 2017, 08:03 PM
May 2017

If Evan Jenkins (former Dem and current congressman who announced his run this week too) proves to be the front runner for the Republican side, then he is very vulnerable because he voted for AHCA. Numbers are coming out that 176k West Virginians were put on medicare expansion under ACA, and if we switch to AHCA, then it will cost the state 8 billion a year. Numbers like that will not help Jenkins in a state where the governor (Democrat btw) is telling us that we are in a financial "death spiral".

It really just depends on how committed Democrats are in the midterm. It can't hurt in forcing Manchin to make a firm stance on Planned Parenthood and other issues. I certainly don't understand the political calculus that would make anyone dismiss her out of hand. This state may be red now, but it loves it's entitlements and when the money starts going, they can just as easily switch right back. Remember, Manchin holds Robert Byrds old seat. Byrd appropriation chairmanship allowed him to pour countless projects and money into the state for decades, which doesn't happen now.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
8. So we would get another Republican 6 years from now and lose the seat for decades at that point.
Sun May 14, 2017, 08:35 PM
May 2017

No thanks.

Manchin is annoying, but a Republican in that slot would be much more so.

WVa is a very conservative state. We are lucky we have any Democrat at all in a statewide position there.

Eccho

(147 posts)
15. Why would we get another Republican?
Sun May 14, 2017, 08:49 PM
May 2017

These have been Democratically controlled Senate seats in WV for decades till Capito.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
28. It is not a question, and the so-called obvious answer is merely your guess.
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:42 PM
May 2017

Going by your logic, no Southern Democrat should ever be challenged because the GOP will forever be in control of the South. A recipe for the Democrats to be a permanent minority party confined to the coasts and large urban areas.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
31. No, and no.
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:48 PM
May 2017

There are plenty of southern states where Democrats have a stronger chance than WVa and thus it isn't political suicide to do what OP is proposing.

The Carolinas and Virginia are three states that immediately come to mind.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
35. So heavily gerrymandered N. Carolina is suddenly in play?
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:54 PM
May 2017

And Virginia, like many states, is divided along rural/urban lines. Given the historically weak Democratic turnout, and given GOP success at voter suppression, 2018 will be a struggle.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
38. The Senate seats aren't gerrymandered
Sun May 14, 2017, 10:34 PM
May 2017

Burr is retiring. I think we have a 50/50 shot at winning his seat in 2020.

Dustlawyer

(10,497 posts)
53. +1!!! THIS
Mon May 15, 2017, 12:18 AM
May 2017

A primary battle will get Democratic issues talked about early helping to sway the electorate our way. It won't just be Republican issues being discussed during the Primary season. I know from experience, we used to never see campaign commercials here in our deep red part of the state. Once Obama, Hillary and Bernie started running campaign commercials here and locals heard a different argument or a different subject that Republicans do not talk about, things have started to come around. It's what makes a 50 state strategy work.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
20. I really wonder about some of these folks.
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:04 PM
May 2017

I'm guessing as kids they lost every game they ever played that required even the most rudimentary snippet of strategy.

JI7

(89,269 posts)
27. And one of the biggest reasons democrats have lost in this area
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:42 PM
May 2017

It's not trade but environmental regulations these people complain about.

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
23. We lost most of our "Dinos" to the Rethugs, having helped some of them out with primary attacks.
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:10 PM
May 2017

No, thanks. We should have learned our lesson by now.

mvd

(65,180 posts)
25. No, they lost on their own
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:36 PM
May 2017

They couldn't distinguish themselves enough. In W. Va., the Party has ollowed the coal company line while still being branded with the Obama admin. by the Repukes. The Repukes lied, but it happened. I am firmly for the challenge.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
34. That is just a lazy argument. Plenty of progressives have run in those states and been shellacked.
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:52 PM
May 2017

Every election, in fact, you have a few progressives who are running against Republicans in very red districts and states and get destroyed. There is plenty that distinguishes them from their opponents. The electorate in those districts and states don't care.

mvd

(65,180 posts)
26. I'm with you and always will be
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:41 PM
May 2017

The votes for Sessions and for the climate destroyer Pruitt were't acceptable no matter where you are.

sheshe2

(83,901 posts)
52. Yes but???
Mon May 15, 2017, 12:12 AM
May 2017

You answered this post...

Hell no

Losing Manchin would hand the seat to the Republicans.

I know we don't like him but I thought Trump
taught us the worst Dem is better than the best Republican now.


Yes but?

Manchin votes with Dems. He is in a red state yet he votes with Democrats.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
58. Exactly! In a heavily red state Manchin votes with Dems.
Mon May 15, 2017, 08:42 AM
May 2017

That is a real achievement, and Manchin is a real asset who needs to be protected.

It seems many may be seriously overestimating potential conservative support for progressive populism.

Very significant percentages of the conservatives who voted for Bernie in the primaries of those states where they could did so as Clinton spoilers. Exit polls consistently revealed many had absolutely no intention of voting for him in the general if he won.

Sure, as a charismatic left-wing populist leader, Bernie did pick up some genuine conservative support, but exit polls and studies show that it was fatally smaller than imagined. As it almost certainly would be in any attempt to fill Manchin's seat with someone running on similar positions.

mvd

(65,180 posts)
5. Sounds good. If she takes off and upsets him..
Sun May 14, 2017, 08:03 PM
May 2017

it would be a good sign for W. Va. and a change in the Party there. If she loses, then we hope Manchin beats the Repuke, but he'll hear the message.

 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
6. This will not help the Democratic Party to take back Congress in 2018
Sun May 14, 2017, 08:25 PM
May 2017

We need to challenge vulnerable Republican seats, not weaken safe Democratic seats.

Eccho

(147 posts)
7. What if Manchin switches parties after the election? Or even before?
Sun May 14, 2017, 08:33 PM
May 2017

His only Republican opponent so far is Evan Jenkins who switched from Democrat to a very enthusiastic and loyal Republican. She is running a very liberal agenda with the backing of Sander's organization to get new Democrats in office. Doesn't she deserve some of our consideration?

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
10. What if every Democrat switches and Republicans have every seat?
Sun May 14, 2017, 08:36 PM
May 2017

What good are what if scenarios?

Eccho

(147 posts)
12. Are you in WV?
Sun May 14, 2017, 08:41 PM
May 2017

Because I am. Jay Rockefeller and Robert Byrd were Senators and Manchin the governor in the last decade. This is only very recently a Republican state with the help of a lot of Koch brother money and coal mining promises. I can appreciate not wanting to see Manchin primaried from people outside of the state, but we are in a crisis here and we need help. All I am asking is people take a look at her candidacy. I didn't expect mocking hostility though.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
18. Is there something besides residence there that you think makes you an expert?
Sun May 14, 2017, 08:56 PM
May 2017

I am not a fan of people who take actions that threaten to reduce the amount of Democrats in the House and Senate.

The fact that a few Democrats won in the last decade can be said of every state in the union.

It's not a convincing argument.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
29. The Sanders connection is toxic for some at DU.
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:45 PM
May 2017

And the logic that the GOP has a natural lock on the South is electoral defeatism at best. A recipe for permanent minority status.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
36. No strawman argument.
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:56 PM
May 2017

It is abundantly clear from the debate at DU that many here are vehemently opposed both to Sanders Democrats and to the idea that Democrats should never be challenged in Southern and Western states.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
41. Its a strawman. No one ever said no Democrat should ever be challenged in a Southern or Western
Sun May 14, 2017, 10:44 PM
May 2017

state. That is your strawman.

 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
11. Could Democrats Nominate Their Own Christine ODonnell in 2018?
Sun May 14, 2017, 08:39 PM
May 2017
There are already signs groups with similar goals are popping up to support Democrats. Brand New Congress’ recruit to take on Joe Manchin in West Virginia is a political neophyte who will run in a primary electorate that will be largely hostile towards anyone to Manchin’s left (in fact, Manchin is probably about as vulnerable to a primary challenge *from the right* as he is from the left — which is not very). The operation reeks of an effort to harvest dollars from energized small money donors. Similarly, Justice Democrats, a new left-wing pressure group started by some former Sanders staffers and Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks, has backed Cori Bush in Missouri’s 1st district against longtime incumbent Lacy Clay. Bush ran for Senate finishing a distant 2nd to Jason Kander in the 2016 primary, but scouring her online presence, I found no mention of her opponent (and no real rationale for running). A seat like Clay’s would never be vulnerable to a Republican, but Democrats could be throwing away money better spent on a competitive seat in hopes of throwing out an incumbent with a strong progressive voting record — all while lining the pockets of consulting groups.

https://decisiondeskhq.com/upcoming-races/could-democrats-nominate-their-own-christine-odonnell-in-2018/


mvd

(65,180 posts)
14. I don't agree with that at all.
Sun May 14, 2017, 08:44 PM
May 2017

Repukes challenge their own all the time. I want the party more left. I do not mind primary challengers and it can only help IMO. If Manchin wins, then that is who W. Va. has chosen. It doesn't mean we forget about challenging Repukes.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,437 posts)
60. And what has usually happened?
Mon May 15, 2017, 10:44 AM
May 2017

Republicans lost a solid lock on Richard Lugar's Senate seat in Indiana in 2012 because of a right-wing purity challenge. The seat had been his for a LONG time until he lost in the primary and he regularly won Republican and Democratic votes. I'm sure that there are other good examples of self-defeating primary bids.

nycbos

(6,038 posts)
17. Defiantly not
Sun May 14, 2017, 08:54 PM
May 2017

The last thing we need is a left wing version of the tea party. Ideological party cost of the election. Too many people on the left didn't vote because they "could't see the difference"

A progressive is not going to win statewide.

And for the record not all Bernie people are good people. NEW YORK STATE SENATOR Marisol Alcantara was a Sanders delegate in 2016.

She became a New York State Senator but is currently allied with the Independent Democratic Conference that caucuses with the Republicans in the NY State Senat.e

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,437 posts)
65. If Manchin was going to switch parties
Thu May 18, 2017, 12:48 PM
May 2017

Right after last election (or in 2014) would have been the best time to do so. He didn't wind up switching, so evidently he either didn't want to or think it would have been a good idea. Now that Trump/GOP is rapidly becoming toxic, there would seem to be little motivation after 2018 for him to switch.

oasis

(49,408 posts)
21. Dems are in no position to risk a sure seat to a far lefty who
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:04 PM
May 2017

would likely lose, but not before damaging Manchin's chances with a negative primary campaign.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
40. I wouldn't assume it would damage Manchin's chances
Sun May 14, 2017, 10:42 PM
May 2017

If he fends off a primary challenge from the left, that could improve his standing in the general election. He would be positioned between Swearingen on the left and the Republican on the right. A lot of voters seem to think that the middle of the road is best just because it's the middle.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
44. Of course it would. We have seen this movie before, haven't we?
Sun May 14, 2017, 10:56 PM
May 2017

"Manchin is a corporate so and so!"

"He is in bed with X, Y, Z hated entity"

"He took money from A, B and C companies"

Yeah, no reason to think that would hurt him.

oasis

(49,408 posts)
45. Depending on the degree of negative campaigning Manchin's opponent
Sun May 14, 2017, 10:57 PM
May 2017

is willing to engage in. And we can't rule out the possibility of far left elements who may choose to go rogue and push out fake stories on Swearingen's behalf.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
30. I grew up in WV, am very tuned in to the politics there.
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:47 PM
May 2017

She has zero chance in a general election. None.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
43. Right??
Sun May 14, 2017, 10:55 PM
May 2017

I'm not from WV, but been there enough to know better. People here.... I dunno. Many seem to think every place is just like the place they live, and if we give red state peeps a good, long talking too, they will all agree with us just like that!

That said, anyone has a right to run in a primary.

GeoWilliam750

(2,522 posts)
32. Meet Joe Manchin's daughter
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:49 PM
May 2017
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heather_Bresch

Also, from Wiki on Senator Manchin

"Party-switching

As the 2016 elections approached, many reports speculated that Manchin would lose his loyalty to his party and switch to Republican if the Senate was in a 50-50 tie.[76] This is due to him already being conservative-leaning, which many Democrats have criticized him for.[77] However, he later stated that he would stay with the Democratic Party for at least how long he stays in the Senate.[78] Manchin was the only Democrat to vote in confirmation of controversial Trump cabinet appointees Jeff Sessions[79] and Steven Mnuchin,[80] one of two Democrats who voted to confirm Scott Pruitt as EPA Administrator, and one of three who voted to confirm Rex Tillerson.[81]"

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
37. What is Sanders trying to do? Why is he campaigning for whomever is running against the incumbant
Sun May 14, 2017, 10:13 PM
May 2017

who is a democrat? When I see action like this it makes me wonder why we ever allowed Sanders to run on the DNC ticket. Yes he needed the DNC organization but he has abused the DNC, if he wants his own party then he needs to start it and quit trying to destroy the DNC.

bottomofthehill

(8,347 posts)
48. Run for the House
Sun May 14, 2017, 11:42 PM
May 2017

Instead of primarying a democrat, she could try to take back a house seat and test her message with out doing harm up the ticket. She could run for Rayhalls old seat

bottomofthehill

(8,347 posts)
57. I don't think her message sells in West VA
Mon May 15, 2017, 08:21 AM
May 2017

Maybe her message would sell in Northern VA, I like her, her ideas and where she stands based on what I have just seen, but until she tests her message where she is, and proves that it can sell, I would hope that she would refrain from hurting the chances of taking back the Senate.

There are 3 Republican congressional districts. I am not sure which one she lives in, but it really does not matter, pick it and win it, then run against the Republican Senator.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
54. It would take a miracle for her to beat Manchin.
Mon May 15, 2017, 12:19 AM
May 2017

I don't know much about WV politics, but I know Manchin has broad name recognition. I'm not necessarily opposed to the introduction of some left-leaning ideals into the WV political atmosphere. Lord knows a state that voted 68% for Trump needs some outreach. The status quo is not helping. Jay Rockefeller is gone. It would help if we could groom some qualified candidates to run for elective office there. The University of WV is excellent and I know several colleagues who graduated from there and regularly return to lead health and education outreach efforts to rural communities.

Manchin is an A-hole, but I think he can handle a no-name opponent. The DNC should step in to encourage respectful rhetoric, if necessary.

Demsrule86

(68,675 posts)
61. No I don't like her...primarying Manchin in a red state is the height of stupidity.
Mon May 15, 2017, 11:17 AM
May 2017

if Swearengin wins, she loses a general in West Virginia as her views are way to liberal for this state, and if she lose the primary, as I think she will, she weakens Manchin at a time we desperately need to re-take the Senate in order to stop Trump's judicial picks...this is stupid...a truly lose-lose move by those who apparently don't think taking the Senate is important and who don't worry about 30 years of right wing court decisions.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
62. I expect Manchin to switch parties if the Democrats get 51 Senators
Tue May 16, 2017, 06:19 PM
May 2017

To shift it back to Republican control. Right now, he has no leverage. It makes little difference if the Democrats have 47 or 48 Senators. But if they have 51, he would be courted by the Republicans to get control back. It would make it 50/50, with Pence being the deciding vote, so they would still technically have the majority.

So I agree that getting rid of Manchin is a good idea. The threat to switch parties is always there, especially with a very slim majority. If the Democrats end up with more than 51 seats in 2018, it doesn't matter if Manchin loses or not. I say good riddance. And if they stay where they are, it doesn't matter anyway.

I say good riddance.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,437 posts)
66. If Democrats win the majority and he is really "on the fence"
Thu May 18, 2017, 12:56 PM
May 2017

he STILL has leverage......with the Democrats ("Give me a chairmanship" if you want to keep me" or something like that). I guess it would be a question of which party he wants in power more, but most people (I think) would rather be part of the majority and why would he, a Democrat, want to switch to the GOP to put them BACK in power. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I mean, what stopped him from switching in 2014 or 2016 if he really wanted to be part of the GOP and they won the majority in both elections? He may vote the Republicans sometimes, but he still votes mainly with the Democrats and he doesn't seem particularly motivated to switch sides. There have been more fortuitous opportunities for him to switch in the recent past and he obviously must have some attachment to staying as a member of the Democratic Party.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,437 posts)
64. Does she have a statehouse or Congressional seat she could run for first?
Thu May 18, 2017, 12:41 PM
May 2017

IMHO we need to build up a crop of candidates from a local level and build their experience and name recognition before somebody just springboards into a potentially larger race that they may be ill-equipped to win. Does she have the kind of name recognition to win a statewide race? Who are the Republicans running? She can obviously run but her bid seems unlikely to be successful and her time, energy, and money would probably be better spent at a local level first. Just my $0.02.

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