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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsChuck Todd - Meet the Press, Sunday, Just formulated something profound
There no longer seems to be a right-wing conservative ideology.
There is only a left-wing progressive ideology, and an anti-left-wing progressive ideology.
In other words, The right no longer stands for anything, they simply stand against something.
And that's why Trump won, and that's why he still has support. Not because he represent an ideology, but simply because he stands against one.
Something to ponder.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)Trump is just their current path to corporate autocracy,
canetoad
(17,160 posts)The destructive power of resentment.
Tom67
(40 posts)Most people in USA lean left. The left backs up their ideology with facts most of the time..It 's why facts are suddenly under attack. The only way the right wins is by gerrymandering and off the wall fake news and dirty tricksters like Stone..
SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)for decades now. Along with their voter suppression and help from Mother Russia, they now have an unbeatable troika that allows them to install a dictator and dismantle the Constitution of the United States. They don't even have to give the appearance of trying anymore.
Or so they think. This country still belongs to the people of the United States of America, at least for a little while. I can't believe Americans will allow this to happen.
bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)They want to rewrite (edit out) minority protections and individual rights. They will claim to wanting to "modernize", i.e. get rid of the Electoral College and use "plain English". What they really want is to ban abortion, restrict voter access, and codify class privilege.
mucifer
(23,542 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)Beartracks
(12,814 posts)If they actually cared about "ending abortion" they'd be 100% for free contraception available everywhere. Nope, it's a useful tool for herding the brainwashed sheep.
MrPurple
(985 posts)Even after Bristol Palin got pregnant while advocating abstinence only, that family still professes to be anti contraception and intensely anti abortion.
Abortion is a tool for the Koch brothers and the real power brokers to get the rubes to vote for their candidates and the sheep are incredibly easily led.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)It's a lot like their "creation science" which is not a scientific endeavor at all, but a grab bag of objections to theories of evolution.
That's the basic problem with "whatever it is, I'm against it" thinking.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)The GOP has no idea how to govern. They will do, and have done, anything to win, but they are totally destructive at this point, not at all constructive.
lastlib
(23,233 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Well, the 1% are ruling through the GOP.
hibbing
(10,098 posts)Has been for decades.
Peace
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)and buy more stuff we don't need.
Stallion
(6,474 posts)nm
Useless in FL
(329 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,161 posts)believe the natural order of things is when there is no government
and they can do whatever they want and they own everything
This is the laissez-faire lens through which they see the world
In previous centuries those who believed this founded capitalism,
the slave trade, limited liability exploration companies, whaling,
industrialization, coal mining, railroads, oil & gas, and lived in mansions,
estates, castles some of them.
progressives and liberals are in their way!
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,161 posts)such as double-entry bookkeeping, banking, manufacturing, migrations
to cities and towns, and later the rise of financing, insurance, transportation
there were many elements to its foundations over hundreds of years
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)We, who believe that capitalism is the state and the state is capitalism are left-wing.
bucolic_frolic
(43,161 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Anarchism has been, is, and will be left-wing ideology. Anarchism is a tradition within the overall socialist school of thought. That's just fact.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)NBachers
(17,108 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)to the agenda set by the Democratic party.
lastlib
(23,233 posts)he got offended when I told him it boiled down to conserving wealth for the wealthy and power for the powerful, and taking more.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)lovemydogs
(575 posts)The right has run out of ideas. They only stand for tax cuts for the rich and some kind of free markets extremism.
that's it.
They are mostly against things
Ligyron
(7,632 posts)BarbD
(1,192 posts)eliminate the negative, latch on to the affirmative and don't mess with Mr. Inbetween.
Grassy Knoll
(10,118 posts)But This Has Been Known...4EVAH!!
slumcamper
(1,606 posts)BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)jaysunb
(11,856 posts)tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)It actually takes courage to stand FOR something. When you consider that the GOPee stands only for the wealthy and have a sociopathic desire to harm the not wealthy, it's no surprise they take the easier way.
Volaris
(10,271 posts)Wonder if his previous stupidity was genuine, or a product of his salary.
We've known what he figured out today, since about Bill Clintons term at least. Nice of him to finally get up to speed.
Akamai
(1,779 posts)against Obama, against Hillary, etc.
Bull shit!
triron
(22,003 posts)lpbk2713
(42,757 posts)They don't stand for anything. Only against.
certainot
(9,090 posts)on 1000 radio stations
JHB
(37,160 posts)...for the last 15 to 25 years. Conservatives have been cultivating outrage since the 70s to advance their agenda; first to break up the Democrat's postwar coalition, and since then to ensure that advances of their agenda made under Republican administrations are (mostly) not undone during Democratic ones.
With consolidation of media ownership, elimination of the fairness doctrine, and the development of their "think tank" spin mills and dedicated conservative news outlets (Washington Times, FOX), they built a "safe space" for axe-grinding against the scary figments of their imagination that they call "liberals". And then point the rage at real-life liberals.
Nice of him to say it, but it ain't anything he shouldn't have been noting for a great many years.
anniebelle
(899 posts)Yesterday is the first time I've watched MTP in years and I was pleasantly surprised at the conversation. Hopefully, Chuck Todd, Jake Tapper, etc. represent a new breed of reporting we haven't seen in the last few/several years. I usually go to Bill Moyers, Dan Rather or Lawrence O'Donnell when I'm searching for 'real' news, but lately I see a slight shift coming from others ~ like Chuck Todd ~ who I just could not stand to watch during President Obama's term.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Jim Beard
(2,535 posts)correcting them. All their lives they carry the resentment of being corrected by ANYONE. They have no real plan, just resent anything that a organized government or organization. They still resent their parents.
Bucky
(54,013 posts)Ideology quickly turns into tribalism
In the more intolerant parts of the left are people who are also ideological.
I think it's better to have a guiding philosophy that can be flexible with particulars than an ideology that dictates all political responses. The self-destruction of the Republican Party is a textbook example of this
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)being saying that for going on a decade now ...
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)"There is only a left-wing progressive ideology, and an anti-left-wing progressive ideology."
byronius
(7,394 posts)Their compass must point to the opposite of us, and that is all it does anymore.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)dalton99a
(81,486 posts)Mike Nelson
(9,955 posts)...many right-wing conservatives stand for things difficult to state publically - White supremacy, for example.
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)47of74
(18,470 posts)Excuse me while I go check the temp in hell.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)They won't take the position of defending him. They don't want to be in his camp of criminals,
But attacking the liberals who attack trump is a different matter. They enjoy fighting back this way, without loyalty or commitment to that lost cause.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)moondust
(19,981 posts)They don't need an ideology because what they do doesn't really matter--especially if the electoral system is rigged in their favor. What's important is that THEY are the bosses calling the shots (for their own benefit). It's the New Confederacy of savage greed and bigotry in opposition to lawful, civilized, moral behavior.
DFW
(54,378 posts)Our extremist right, by the way, was NEVER "conservative" except if you accept their fraudulent hijacking of the word. To be conservative, in English, anyway, means to be cautious, measured in your responses, hesitant to speak or act rashly, unwilling to overextend yourself or your resources. Which president does that describe? The one we have now or the we had until January 20th?
We just HAD a conservative president. We just didn't have a "Conservative" president (fellow southerners: please do not pronounce the "a," as it is not considered proper Republicanese in our part of the country).
Xolodno
(6,395 posts)...being pro conservation of resources, protected federal lands, national parks, etc.
DFW
(54,378 posts)Today, at least as many people speak Republicanese as English.
e.g. English: "to all intents and purposes"
Republicanese: "to all intensive purposes"
There are many differences in the written language as well. For example, English does not use an apostrophe to form a plural. Republicanese does.
English: "The Clintons are politicians."
Republicanese: "The Clinton's are politician's."
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)To the extent that qualifies as an ideology.
paulkienitz
(1,296 posts)The GOP absolutely does stand for something: the preservation of privilege. Progressivism, on the other hand, has room for all kinds of contradictory and conflicting beliefs, united by their lack of respect for them-that-has-gets capitalism, inherited wealth, and white male christian entitlement.
FairWinds
(1,717 posts)for coming up with the concept that . .
"There is only a left-wing progressive ideology, and an anti-left-wing progressive ideology."
because that is where he got it.
Same day's NYT Sunday edition, Week in Review
Got to give credit when it is due
muriel_volestrangler
(101,316 posts)July 17, 2010 at 1:31 pm
i can do it in one word: ~liberal
or, for those of you who dont grok the boolean: todays conservatism is the opposite of what liberals want today: updated daily.
https://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/07/17/just-another-failed-ideology/#comment-1893941
and they've used that many times since then:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22balloon+juice%22+%22conservatism+is+the+opposite+of+what+liberals+want+today+updated+daily%22&oq=%22balloon+juice%22+%22conservatism+is+the+opposite+of+what+liberals+want+today+updated+daily%22
Dem2
(8,168 posts)But I did hear that. I think the Dork from free bacon actually agreed with him.