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Sun May 14, 2017, 08:01 PM

Chuck Todd - Meet the Press, Sunday, Just formulated something profound

There no longer seems to be a right-wing conservative ideology.

There is only a left-wing progressive ideology, and an anti-left-wing progressive ideology.

In other words, The right no longer stands for anything, they simply stand against something.

And that's why Trump won, and that's why he still has support. Not because he represent an ideology, but simply because he stands against one.

Something to ponder.

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Reply Chuck Todd - Meet the Press, Sunday, Just formulated something profound (Original post)
Xipe Totec May 2017 OP
DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #1
Orsino May 2017 #59
canetoad May 2017 #2
Tom67 May 2017 #3
SergeStorms May 2017 #33
bigbrother05 May 2017 #49
Alice11111 May 2017 #66
mucifer May 2017 #4
Xipe Totec May 2017 #6
Beartracks May 2017 #35
Freddie May 2017 #51
MrPurple May 2017 #60
jberryhill May 2017 #5
guillaumeb May 2017 #7
lastlib May 2017 #18
guillaumeb May 2017 #19
hibbing May 2017 #8
Plucketeer May 2017 #10
Stallion May 2017 #9
Useless in FL May 2017 #11
bucolic_frolic May 2017 #12
KingCharlemagne May 2017 #25
bucolic_frolic May 2017 #30
Fantastic Anarchist May 2017 #39
bucolic_frolic May 2017 #43
Fantastic Anarchist May 2017 #65
grantcart May 2017 #13
Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #14
NBachers May 2017 #15
Xipe Totec May 2017 #20
lastlib May 2017 #16
KingCharlemagne May 2017 #26
lovemydogs May 2017 #17
Ligyron May 2017 #47
BarbD May 2017 #21
Grassy Knoll May 2017 #22
slumcamper May 2017 #23
BigBearJohn May 2017 #24
jaysunb May 2017 #61
tazkcmo May 2017 #27
Volaris May 2017 #28
Akamai May 2017 #29
triron May 2017 #31
lpbk2713 May 2017 #32
certainot May 2017 #34
JHB May 2017 #36
anniebelle May 2017 #37
Fantastic Anarchist May 2017 #38
Jim Beard May 2017 #40
Bucky May 2017 #41
Cosmocat May 2017 #42
disillusioned73 May 2017 #44
byronius May 2017 #45
Snotcicles May 2017 #46
dalton99a May 2017 #48
Mike Nelson May 2017 #50
jaysunb May 2017 #62
47of74 May 2017 #52
Ilsa May 2017 #53
WinkyDink May 2017 #54
moondust May 2017 #55
DFW May 2017 #56
Xolodno May 2017 #68
DFW May 2017 #70
L. Coyote May 2017 #57
Honeycombe8 May 2017 #58
paulkienitz May 2017 #63
FairWinds May 2017 #64
muriel_volestrangler May 2017 #67
Dem2 May 2017 #69

Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Sun May 14, 2017, 08:05 PM

1. The right has become anti-anti Trump.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #1)

Mon May 15, 2017, 02:02 PM

59. Still just anti-government, I think.

Trump is just their current path to corporate autocracy,

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Sun May 14, 2017, 08:07 PM

2. Yep. Never underestimate

The destructive power of resentment.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Sun May 14, 2017, 08:10 PM

3. Interesting and very accurate.

 

Most people in USA lean left. The left backs up their ideology with facts most of the time..It 's why facts are suddenly under attack. The only way the right wins is by gerrymandering and off the wall fake news and dirty tricksters like Stone..

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Response to Tom67 (Reply #3)

Sun May 14, 2017, 11:41 PM

33. They've been gerrymandering.....

for decades now. Along with their voter suppression and help from Mother Russia, they now have an unbeatable troika that allows them to install a dictator and dismantle the Constitution of the United States. They don't even have to give the appearance of trying anymore.

Or so they think. This country still belongs to the people of the United States of America, at least for a little while. I can't believe Americans will allow this to happen.

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Response to SergeStorms (Reply #33)

Mon May 15, 2017, 11:23 AM

49. That's why they have started talking about a Constitutional Convention

They want to rewrite (edit out) minority protections and individual rights. They will claim to wanting to "modernize", i.e. get rid of the Electoral College and use "plain English". What they really want is to ban abortion, restrict voter access, and codify class privilege.

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Response to Tom67 (Reply #3)

Mon May 15, 2017, 05:44 PM

66. !!!

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Sun May 14, 2017, 08:10 PM

4. They stand for greed and unborn babies.

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Response to mucifer (Reply #4)

Sun May 14, 2017, 08:12 PM

6. That's our view of them; yes. Not that it's wrong, but they don't see themselves that way. nt

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Response to mucifer (Reply #4)

Mon May 15, 2017, 01:22 AM

35. No, unborn babies are just useful tools to them. n/t

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Response to Beartracks (Reply #35)

Mon May 15, 2017, 12:04 PM

51. Yep

If they actually cared about "ending abortion" they'd be 100% for free contraception available everywhere. Nope, it's a useful tool for herding the brainwashed sheep.

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Response to Freddie (Reply #51)

Mon May 15, 2017, 03:14 PM

60. Their sheep are too dimwitted to see the strong correlation between contraception/abortion

Even after Bristol Palin got pregnant while advocating abstinence only, that family still professes to be anti contraception and intensely anti abortion.

Abortion is a tool for the Koch brothers and the real power brokers to get the rubes to vote for their candidates and the sheep are incredibly easily led.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Sun May 14, 2017, 08:10 PM

5. That's it in a nutshell


It's a lot like their "creation science" which is not a scientific endeavor at all, but a grab bag of objections to theories of evolution.

That's the basic problem with "whatever it is, I'm against it" thinking.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Sun May 14, 2017, 08:34 PM

7. Recommended.

The GOP has no idea how to govern. They will do, and have done, anything to win, but they are totally destructive at this point, not at all constructive.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #7)

Sun May 14, 2017, 09:31 PM

18. they don't want to govern; they want to RULE. n/t

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Response to lastlib (Reply #18)

Sun May 14, 2017, 09:35 PM

19. And they are.

Well, the 1% are ruling through the GOP.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Sun May 14, 2017, 09:00 PM

8. Their ideology is tax cuts for the ruling class

Has been for decades.

Peace

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Response to hibbing (Reply #8)

Sun May 14, 2017, 09:07 PM

10. Tax less

 

and buy more stuff we don't need.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Sun May 14, 2017, 09:03 PM

9. Anti-Obama Has Been Their Only Motivating Philosophy for 9 years

nm

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Sun May 14, 2017, 09:09 PM

11. Message deleted by DU the Administrators

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Sun May 14, 2017, 09:09 PM

12. Right wing conservatives

believe the natural order of things is when there is no government
and they can do whatever they want and they own everything

This is the laissez-faire lens through which they see the world

In previous centuries those who believed this founded capitalism,
the slave trade, limited liability exploration companies, whaling,
industrialization, coal mining, railroads, oil & gas, and lived in mansions,
estates, castles some of them.

progressives and liberals are in their way!

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #12)

Sun May 14, 2017, 10:23 PM

25. Capitalism was never "founded"; it evolved from feudalism organically - nt

 

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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #25)

Sun May 14, 2017, 10:50 PM

30. Capitalism grew from technological developments

such as double-entry bookkeeping, banking, manufacturing, migrations
to cities and towns, and later the rise of financing, insurance, transportation

there were many elements to its foundations over hundreds of years

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #12)

Mon May 15, 2017, 06:57 AM

39. Um, no. They want government only when it serves their capitalist purposes.

We, who believe that capitalism is the state and the state is capitalism are left-wing.

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Response to Fantastic Anarchist (Reply #39)

Mon May 15, 2017, 07:26 AM

43. Um, no. That's ridiculous.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #43)

Mon May 15, 2017, 05:09 PM

65. No, it's not ridiculous at all.

Anarchism has been, is, and will be left-wing ideology. Anarchism is a tradition within the overall socialist school of thought. That's just fact.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Sun May 14, 2017, 09:17 PM

13. and the "anti-whatever the Black guy said" ideology

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Sun May 14, 2017, 09:23 PM

14. Power is their only ideology & selling out the country is not too low for them to get it. . . nt

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Sun May 14, 2017, 09:27 PM

15. Anything to stick it to the libtards.

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Response to NBachers (Reply #15)

Sun May 14, 2017, 09:40 PM

20. They act as if they were still the minority party in opposition

to the agenda set by the Democratic party.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Sun May 14, 2017, 09:28 PM

16. I once asked a conservative acquaintance just what it was that conservatives wanted to conserve...

he got offended when I told him it boiled down to conserving wealth for the wealthy and power for the powerful, and taking more.

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Response to lastlib (Reply #16)

Sun May 14, 2017, 10:24 PM

26. Comforting the confortable and afflicting the afflicted. - nt

 

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Sun May 14, 2017, 09:30 PM

17. Actually, it is true

The right has run out of ideas. They only stand for tax cuts for the rich and some kind of free markets extremism.
that's it.
They are mostly against things

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Response to lovemydogs (Reply #17)

Mon May 15, 2017, 10:50 AM

47. They're against progress as it does not favor them.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Sun May 14, 2017, 09:51 PM

21. That's why it's better to accentuate the positive

eliminate the negative, latch on to the affirmative and don't mess with Mr. Inbetween.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Sun May 14, 2017, 09:53 PM

22. Gee Thanks Toad....

But This Has Been Known...4EVAH!!

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Sun May 14, 2017, 10:09 PM

23. So the GOP is the "Party of No." Right? Nothing new here. N/T

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Sun May 14, 2017, 10:14 PM

24. Message deleted by DU the Administrators

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Response to BigBearJohn (Reply #24)

Mon May 15, 2017, 03:14 PM

61. +1 n/t

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Sun May 14, 2017, 10:27 PM

27. Certainly is easier.

It actually takes courage to stand FOR something. When you consider that the GOPee stands only for the wealthy and have a sociopathic desire to harm the not wealthy, it's no surprise they take the easier way.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Sun May 14, 2017, 10:40 PM

28. Took him long enough.

Wonder if his previous stupidity was genuine, or a product of his salary.

We've known what he figured out today, since about Bill Clintons term at least. Nice of him to finally get up to speed.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Sun May 14, 2017, 10:45 PM

29. I heard that but don't know what the hell he meant. And of course, the Righties have always been

 

against Obama, against Hillary, etc.

Bull shit!

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Sun May 14, 2017, 11:11 PM

31. Trump did not 'win'. He was annointed by Putin.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Sun May 14, 2017, 11:33 PM

32. We've been calling them obstructionists for years.




They don't stand for anything. Only against.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Mon May 15, 2017, 01:10 AM

34. one of these days liberals will figure out it's just a few hundred assholes

on 1000 radio stations

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Mon May 15, 2017, 04:31 AM

36. He didn't "formulate" anything, just restated stuff that liberals have been saying...

...for the last 15 to 25 years. Conservatives have been cultivating outrage since the 70s to advance their agenda; first to break up the Democrat's postwar coalition, and since then to ensure that advances of their agenda made under Republican administrations are (mostly) not undone during Democratic ones.

With consolidation of media ownership, elimination of the fairness doctrine, and the development of their "think tank" spin mills and dedicated conservative news outlets (Washington Times, FOX), they built a "safe space" for axe-grinding against the scary figments of their imagination that they call "liberals". And then point the rage at real-life liberals.

Nice of him to say it, but it ain't anything he shouldn't have been noting for a great many years.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Mon May 15, 2017, 05:50 AM

37. Chuck Todd has certainly 'grown up' in these last few years.

Yesterday is the first time I've watched MTP in years and I was pleasantly surprised at the conversation. Hopefully, Chuck Todd, Jake Tapper, etc. represent a new breed of reporting we haven't seen in the last few/several years. I usually go to Bill Moyers, Dan Rather or Lawrence O'Donnell when I'm searching for 'real' news, but lately I see a slight shift coming from others ~ like Chuck Todd ~ who I just could not stand to watch during President Obama's term.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Mon May 15, 2017, 06:50 AM

38. I somewhat agree. I think there's a right-wing faction and an anti-left-wing faction.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Mon May 15, 2017, 07:00 AM

40. To me, the present day Republicans are those who always resented their parents

 

correcting them. All their lives they carry the resentment of being corrected by ANYONE. They have no real plan, just resent anything that a organized government or organization. They still resent their parents.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Mon May 15, 2017, 07:04 AM

41. George Washington called it the spirit of party.

Ideology quickly turns into tribalism

In the more intolerant parts of the left are people who are also ideological.

I think it's better to have a guiding philosophy that can be flexible with particulars than an ideology that dictates all political responses. The self-destruction of the Republican Party is a textbook example of this

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Mon May 15, 2017, 07:15 AM

42. No shit

being saying that for going on a decade now ...

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Mon May 15, 2017, 09:27 AM

44. I can agree with that..

 


"There is only a left-wing progressive ideology, and an anti-left-wing progressive ideology."

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Mon May 15, 2017, 10:27 AM

45. It's been that way since GW. They're completely lost.

Their compass must point to the opposite of us, and that is all it does anymore.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Mon May 15, 2017, 10:52 AM

48. The right is anti-American

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Mon May 15, 2017, 11:39 AM

50. Partly true...

...many right-wing conservatives stand for things difficult to state publically - White supremacy, for example.

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Response to Mike Nelson (Reply #50)

Mon May 15, 2017, 03:21 PM

62. +1000 n/t

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Mon May 15, 2017, 12:13 PM

52. F--- Todd being profound?

Excuse me while I go check the temp in hell.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Mon May 15, 2017, 12:44 PM

53. They won't defend DFT, they just attack his attackers.

They won't take the position of defending him. They don't want to be in his camp of criminals,

But attacking the liberals who attack trump is a different matter. They enjoy fighting back this way, without loyalty or commitment to that lost cause.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Mon May 15, 2017, 12:47 PM

54. We have come to this: That we call the media's noting the obvious, "profound."

 

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Mon May 15, 2017, 12:48 PM

55. Confederates.

They don't need an ideology because what they do doesn't really matter--especially if the electoral system is rigged in their favor. What's important is that THEY are the bosses calling the shots (for their own benefit). It's the New Confederacy of savage greed and bigotry in opposition to lawful, civilized, moral behavior.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Mon May 15, 2017, 01:06 PM

56. Groucho Marx was mocking these people 85 years ago



Our extremist right, by the way, was NEVER "conservative" except if you accept their fraudulent hijacking of the word. To be conservative, in English, anyway, means to be cautious, measured in your responses, hesitant to speak or act rashly, unwilling to overextend yourself or your resources. Which president does that describe? The one we have now or the we had until January 20th?

We just HAD a conservative president. We just didn't have a "Conservative" president (fellow southerners: please do not pronounce the "a," as it is not considered proper Republicanese in our part of the country).

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Response to DFW (Reply #56)

Mon May 15, 2017, 06:22 PM

68. At one time, being a "Conservative" meant....

...being pro conservation of resources, protected federal lands, national parks, etc.

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Response to Xolodno (Reply #68)

Mon May 15, 2017, 06:52 PM

70. That was back in the days when the main language was English

Today, at least as many people speak Republicanese as English.

e.g. English: "to all intents and purposes"
Republicanese: "to all intensive purposes"

There are many differences in the written language as well. For example, English does not use an apostrophe to form a plural. Republicanese does.

English: "The Clintons are politicians."
Republicanese: "The Clinton's are politician's."

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Mon May 15, 2017, 01:09 PM

57. Bullshit. Read their platform, for one. Check their actions.

They have an ideology, fascism, and only fools will let that be denied.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Mon May 15, 2017, 01:54 PM

58. I think their ideology is "money above all else." No? Yes?

To the extent that qualifies as an ideology.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Mon May 15, 2017, 03:38 PM

63. I disagree with Todd

The GOP absolutely does stand for something: the preservation of privilege. Progressivism, on the other hand, has room for all kinds of contradictory and conflicting beliefs, united by their lack of respect for them-that-has-gets capitalism, inherited wealth, and white male christian entitlement.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Mon May 15, 2017, 04:15 PM

64. I hope Todd gave credit to the New York Times .

 

for coming up with the concept that . .

"There is only a left-wing progressive ideology, and an anti-left-wing progressive ideology."

because that is where he got it.

Same day's NYT Sunday edition, Week in Review

Got to give credit when it is due


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Response to FairWinds (Reply #64)

Mon May 15, 2017, 06:16 PM

67. Hell, it's 7 years since it became a central tenet of Balloon Juice, a leading liberal blog

cleek says:
July 17, 2010 at 1:31 pm
i can do it in one word: ~liberal

or, for those of you who donít grok the boolean: todayís conservatism is the opposite of what liberals want today: updated daily.

https://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/07/17/just-another-failed-ideology/#comment-1893941

and they've used that many times since then:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22balloon+juice%22+%22conservatism+is+the+opposite+of+what+liberals+want+today+updated+daily%22&oq=%22balloon+juice%22+%22conservatism+is+the+opposite+of+what+liberals+want+today+updated+daily%22

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Response to Xipe Totec (Original post)

Mon May 15, 2017, 06:35 PM

69. I usually don't watch that stupid show

But I did hear that. I think the Dork from free bacon actually agreed with him.

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