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Time for change

(13,714 posts)
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 06:06 PM Jul 2012

So Many Ways to Make Votes Disappear

I'm currently working with a publisher, Biting Duck Press, to publish a book (title as yet undetermined) on the corruption in our election system. We hope that it will help to make Americans more vigilant and concerned about the way our elections are run. I’ve drafted most of the book. I am posting large portions of it on DU, in the hope of stimulating discussion and obtaining useful feedback.

In Chapter 3, "Can You Trust the Corporations that Make the Computers to Count Your Vote?", I began by discussing the hazards of “black box” voting (i.e. voting on electronic machines that produce vote counts that cannot be verified and have the potential to switch votes from one candidate to another) and presenting evidence of vote switching, in the 2004 and other elections. This post continues Chapter 3 by providing some examples of disappearing votes in U.S. elections.


SO MANY WAYS TO MAKE VOTES DISAPPEAR


Oval stickers to prevent Kerry votes being read – Clermont County, Ohio, 2004


Several volunteer workers participating in the recount in Clermont County shortly after the 2004 presidential election signed affidavits stating that they observed several white oval stickers covering the Kerry/Edwards choice on the optical scan ballots used in that election. Some of these workers noted that beneath the white oval stickers the Kerry/Edwards ovals were filled in. The white sticker would have prevented the optical scan machine from counting those ballots as votes for Kerry. None of these witnesses noted a problem with the Bush/Cheney ovals. Clermont County was one of the three Ohio counties with the largest vote increase for Bush from 2000 to 2004.


Votes disappearing on DRE machines – Florida District 13 U.S. House race, 2006

As explained by Paul Krugman in an article titled “When Votes Disappear”, the 2006 election for the U.S. House in Florida Congressional District 13, which was “won” by the Republican candidate by 369 votes, was almost certainly determined by faulty (whether intentional or not) DRE voting machines. In Sarasota County, which used ES & S voting machines, 15% of voters did not register a vote for the House race (these are termed ‘undervotes’), compared to 2.2% to 5.3% of voters who did not register a vote for the House race in neighboring counties. That amounted to almost 18,000 ballots that did not register a vote for the House race in Sarasota County. Furthermore, those who failed to cast a vote in the House race were shown by their other votes to strongly favor Democrats.

Why did 15% of the voters voting on ES & S machines in Sarasota County fail to vote for a House candidate? The answer to that question can be ascertained from an interview of voters by the Sarasota Herald-Tribune, which found that one third of voters couldn’t find the House race on their ballot, and that 60% said that they did vote for a House candidate, but their vote didn’t show up on their summary page.


Unexplained undervotes – Florida District 24 U.S. House race, 2006

In the 2006 U.S. House election in Florida’s 24th District, Republican candidate Tom Feeney defeated Democratic candidate Clint Curtis by 16% of the vote, despite election eve polls that showed Feeney and Curtis to be in a statistical dead heat. An investigation into that election using door-to-door canvassing to interview voters demonstrated that Curtis received 12% to 24% more votes in every precinct canvassed than stated in the official election results. Sworn affidavits were used to document Curtis’ votes. Curtis’ research team was able to garner substantially more sworn affidavits – far more than needed to swing the election – from voters attesting that they voted for him than votes that were officially counted by the electronic voting machines in the election.


Disappearing Hispanic and Native American DRE machine votes – New Mexico, 2004

An extensive analysis of the 2004 Presidential vote in New Mexico demonstrated serious problems with electronic voting, with much higher undervote rates in Hispanic and Native American precincts than in Anglo precincts. In precincts using direct record electronic (DRE) voting in 2004, Hispanic and Native American precincts demonstrated undervote rates (for President) of 6.3% and 7.6%, respectively, compared to only 2.2% in Anglo precincts. In marked contrast, the average undervote rate was under 2% for each of the three ethnic groups in precincts using paper ballots in 2004, with no substantial difference by ethnic group. And, the undervote rate for governor in New Mexico in 2006, when all precincts used paper ballots, was under 2% for each of the three ethnic groups, again with no substantial difference by ethnic group. It is also important to note that if the DRE precincts in 2004 had had undervote rates comparable to the paper ballot precincts, John Kerry would have won New Mexico in 2004.

What could explain these findings? Why was the extremely high undervote rate confined to Hispanic and Native American precincts? Could that be explained by a propensity of these ethnic groups to voluntary decide, after going to their polling place to vote, not to cast a vote for president? No. If that were the case, Hispanic and Native American precincts that used paper ballots would have demonstrated a similar undervote rate. Instead, where paper ballots were used, the undervote rate was far lower, regardless of race or ethnicity. The only explanation that seems worth considering is that the DRE voting machines used in Hispanic and Native American precincts caused votes to disappear. Theoretically that could have been purposeful or accidental. But why did that occur only in Hispanic and Native American precincts?


Huge undervote rates on Diebold machines, Ohio Senate race, 2006

In connection with my role as a volunteer for the Election Defense Alliance, I conducted an analysis of the undervote rate in the 2006 Ohio race for U.S. Senate. An undervote for the purpose of that analysis was defined as a ballot that was cast, but for which there was no vote registered for Senator.

The state-wide undervote rate for Ohio Senator was 3.9%. But there was a great difference in undervote rate by county and machine type, with the Diebold counties averaging a significantly higher undervote rate (4.8%) than counties using the other machines (3.2% for counties using Votronic DREs, 3.3% for counties using optical scan systems).

Furthermore, there were six counties that were definite and extreme outliers (all Diebold) compared to the other counties. Those six counties (Mercer, Darke, Highland, Montgomery, Adams, Perry) had undervote rates ranging from 11.2% to 16.3%, with an average of 13.8%, while the other 82 Ohio counties had undervote rates ranging from 0.6% to 6.8%, with an average of 3.4%. The undervotes in the six outlier counties amounted to almost a quarter of the undervotes in the whole state, whereas the total votes in those six counties amounted to only 7.1% of the total votes in the state. Without those six counties, the average undervote rate for the other 41 Diebold counties was quite similar to the average undervote rate for the other types of machines.

Another finding of note is that a previous similar analysis of the unofficial Ohio data by Richard Hayes Phillips resulted in findings that were substantially different than my analysis of the official Ohio Senate data (though our general conclusion of high undervote rates in several Diebold counties was similar). This means that in some respects there were major changes in the data from the time of the first unofficial postings to the time that the official results were posted.

What explains the very high rate of undervotes in the six Diebold counties? It seems highly likely that there was something wrong with the Diebold machines, at least a good portion of them, in six Ohio counties, which caused the relatively high undervote rates. That could have been due to difficulties voters had in finding the Senate candidates on those Diebold machines, or it could have been due to failure of the machines to record the votes that the voters intended. Alternatively, it could have been due to the fact that 11% to 16% of voters in six Ohio counties decided not to vote for Senator – but no reasonable explanation comes to mind to explain why that would happen in six Diebold counties and not in other counties.


Why use so many different methods to steal elections?

As I document in my book, the powers that be have used numerous different methods to steal elections in recent years: Electronic machines that count our votes using secret software and produce unverifiable results; ballot tampering, as noted in the first example in this post; illegal voter purging; dirty tricks such as pamphlets distributed to poor neighborhoods telling voters to vote on different days or different places than when and where they are supposed to vote; intimidation; insufficient allocation of voting machines to Democratic precincts, and; sham recounts to cover-up their fraud.

Why so many different methods? If they used only one method a pattern would likely emerge, and it would be easier to expose them. Anyhow, they have nothing of value to offer 99% of American citizens, so who would vote for them in a fair and honest election? The more methods they use the more votes they can get in their effort to overcome the fact that so few people really like what they have to offer.

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So Many Ways to Make Votes Disappear (Original Post) Time for change Jul 2012 OP
Glad to be the first to kick and recommend this wonderful, but sadly necessary book... midnight Jul 2012 #1
Thank you -- I'm enjoying working on it. Time for change Jul 2012 #7
You probably already know this, but Ireland band all E-voting machines.... midnight Jul 2012 #8
we have the best democracy upi402 Jul 2012 #29
What that shows is that either Time for change Jul 2012 #49
If there's a way to make rethug votes disappear, I'd be for it meow2u3 Jul 2012 #2
Thank you for your work. snacker Jul 2012 #3
I will, thank you Time for change Jul 2012 #50
did you interview Charlie Rangel? n/t IamK Jul 2012 #4
No. Why do you ask? Time for change Jul 2012 #51
Republicans are doing their damnedest to disappear votes... kentuck Jul 2012 #5
LOTS of people shold be in jail for this Time for change Jul 2012 #53
Keep up the pressure, T for C. We can't afford to let this annabanana Jul 2012 #6
Thank you for all you are doing to raise awareness about this! Ghost of Huey Long Jul 2012 #9
Spoken as a champion of this exact cause. kayakjohnny Jul 2012 #17
Thank you -- Together we can all make a difference. Time for change Jul 2012 #52
Dontcha know it's all about voter fraud? DCKit Jul 2012 #10
. GarroHorus Jul 2012 #11
Waiting for you to explain your post. kayakjohnny Jul 2012 #12
GThe explanation is pretty simple. GarroHorus Jul 2012 #13
Every litle kick helps... Ellipsis Jul 2012 #14
If you're saying that elections are fair in this country, you got your head way up your butt. kayakjohnny Jul 2012 #15
I'm saying that I have the same reaction to all conspiracy theory woo woo bullshit. GarroHorus Jul 2012 #19
You can keep your head in the sand as long as you like. kayakjohnny Jul 2012 #20
That's what the Freepers say to any Freeper who disses their Birther bullshit. GarroHorus Jul 2012 #21
Except that this aint that. Not by a long shot. kayakjohnny Jul 2012 #22
And that's precisely what every conspiracy theory woo woo bullshitter says about their particular... GarroHorus Jul 2012 #23
Do you mean to say that you don't believe in election fraud? Time for change Jul 2012 #24
I don't buy the conspiracy theory woo woo bulshit about BBV. GarroHorus Jul 2012 #27
What if anything do yo know about it? Ellipsis Jul 2012 #28
I know enough to know the mocking from the woo woo bullshit conspiracy theorists goes on... GarroHorus Jul 2012 #32
Still not one single fact, but you keep at the topic at top of the board and you paint your own MBA Ellipsis Jul 2012 #41
read "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" by Greg Palast upi402 Jul 2012 #30
Bullshit GarroHorus Jul 2012 #31
read it upi402 Jul 2012 #33
I have no time or money to dedicate to woo woo conspircy theory bullshit. GarroHorus Jul 2012 #36
Love the false equivalence. laundry_queen Jul 2012 #38
Great Book. Of course he did a great job covering 2000 Florida, but my favortie part of the book zinnisking Jul 2012 #39
Chavez is a scumbag n/t GarroHorus Jul 2012 #40
After that excerpt about the conspiracy against Chavez and the chanting coup leaders, Palast says zinnisking Jul 2012 #42
Many Democrats (politicians and rank and file) believe a conspiracy was commited in Florida in 2000 zinnisking Jul 2012 #34
I think you were right the first time. 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #46
Why aren't voting machines owned by our government? SHRED Jul 2012 #16
That's a very important question Time for change Jul 2012 #18
Why aren't we using countable verifiable PAPER ballots? It's worth every penny. ~nt 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #44
Get Rid of Electronic Voting Machines ... YOHABLO Jul 2012 #25
+1000 E-voting is a cruelly unusual joke. ~nt 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #45
K&R !!! Thanks for doing this!!! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2012 #26
K&R Mnemosyne Jul 2012 #35
Well, one reason it takes many methods is that our Presidential elction is actually 50+ elections Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #37
My state of CA has paper ballots as well, however they're all machine counted. Sirveri Jul 2012 #47
Good point Time for change Jul 2012 #48
The very LAST thing we need to be "privatizing" is democracy itself. 99th_Monkey Jul 2012 #43
woo woo kick! Ellipsis Jul 2012 #54

midnight

(26,624 posts)
8. You probably already know this, but Ireland band all E-voting machines....
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 07:32 PM
Jul 2012
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9390

ALL E-VOTING MACHINES IN NATION TO BE TRASHED! (In the Nation of Ireland)


In Ireland's case, after it was discovered almost immediately that these things were junk, not worthy of any public democracy, they shelved them and are now finally trashing them entirely. We have known them to be junk --- as revealed on these pages and in study after study across the nation --- for nearly a decade.

In our case, however --- in the "World's Greatest Democracy" (which we know we are, because we keep saying so all the time) we will still be using these same, oft-failed, easily-manipulated, secret vote counting pieces of crap across the entire nation, once again, to determine the results our 2012 Presidential election.

[Hat-tip Mark Karlin of BuzzFlash at Truthout]

Time for change

(13,714 posts)
49. What that shows is that either
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 08:19 AM
Jul 2012

they're smarter than us, or they have better leaders -- probably a combination of both.

We're going through a really dumb period, and consequently our we have a great many psychopaths in positions of substantial power.

kentuck

(111,094 posts)
5. Republicans are doing their damnedest to disappear votes...
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 06:41 PM
Jul 2012

...and win the next election. Somebody ought to be in jail for this.

annabanana

(52,791 posts)
6. Keep up the pressure, T for C. We can't afford to let this
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 06:54 PM
Jul 2012

vanish down the memory hole along with all those votes.

kayakjohnny

(5,235 posts)
17. Spoken as a champion of this exact cause.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 08:34 PM
Jul 2012

Thank you so much for all you do, Ghost of Huey Long.

I've read practically each and every one of your awesome posts too!

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
10. Dontcha know it's all about voter fraud?
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 07:59 PM
Jul 2012

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. It's "voter fraud", not "election fraud".

kayakjohnny

(5,235 posts)
15. If you're saying that elections are fair in this country, you got your head way up your butt.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 08:31 PM
Jul 2012

If you're saying something else, cryptically obviously, then what is it?

kayakjohnny

(5,235 posts)
20. You can keep your head in the sand as long as you like.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 09:02 PM
Jul 2012

But one day, reality is going to bite you and a whole lot of other folks, right in the ass.

In the mean time, I suggest you get to some of that research you've been so dearly neglecting.

We're going to need you when the fog finally clears.

 

GarroHorus

(1,055 posts)
21. That's what the Freepers say to any Freeper who disses their Birther bullshit.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 09:04 PM
Jul 2012

That's what the Truthers say to anybody who dares to dis their Truther bullshit.

That's what the moon landing deniers say to anybody who dares to point out their moon landing denial crap is conspiracy theory woo bullshit.

Again, all I have to say is this...

kayakjohnny

(5,235 posts)
22. Except that this aint that. Not by a long shot.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 09:06 PM
Jul 2012

Enjoy your little cave.

I bet it's really comfy in there.

 

GarroHorus

(1,055 posts)
23. And that's precisely what every conspiracy theory woo woo bullshitter says about their particular...
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 09:11 PM
Jul 2012

brand of conspiracy theory woo woo bullshit.

Time for change

(13,714 posts)
24. Do you mean to say that you don't believe in election fraud?
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 09:32 PM
Jul 2012

If you explained why you don't believe in it with an explanation other than it's "woo woo bullshit", you'd probably appear more credible.

Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
28. What if anything do yo know about it?
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 10:26 PM
Jul 2012

Whether you buy it or not is another matter. To make blanket statements based on ignorance is really the problem here. Life at DU didn't begin at your deflowerment on this board. Many here came to DU looking for answers for that reason and as group shared live information as it was happening. So tell me what's a ballet definition file? How about EPROM? How caterpillar crawl? If you want to knock the OP have at it, but present some sort of valid argument or shut the fuck up with the constant bullshit you purport. Throwing out one acronym doesn't do it.

 

GarroHorus

(1,055 posts)
32. I know enough to know the mocking from the woo woo bullshit conspiracy theorists goes on...
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 10:40 PM
Jul 2012

regardless of the asinine bullshit they spout.

Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
41. Still not one single fact, but you keep at the topic at top of the board and you paint your own MBA
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 11:36 PM
Jul 2012

Master Bullshit Artist.

Good luck to ya!

upi402

(16,854 posts)
30. read "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" by Greg Palast
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 10:34 PM
Jul 2012

It's ancient history and everyone is fully aware of it, or almost evryone.

:waving goodbye:

 

GarroHorus

(1,055 posts)
31. Bullshit
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 10:39 PM
Jul 2012

There are tons of woo woo bullshit books about Birherism, doesn't make the bullshit true.

 

GarroHorus

(1,055 posts)
36. I have no time or money to dedicate to woo woo conspircy theory bullshit.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 11:02 PM
Jul 2012

I won't buy it.

I won't read it.

No more than I will buy and read the Birther bullshit. Same shit, different conspiracy theorists.

zinnisking

(405 posts)
39. Great Book. Of course he did a great job covering 2000 Florida, but my favortie part of the book
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 11:28 PM
Jul 2012

is the section on the coup (conspiracy) against Hugo Chavez. After the business elites successfully (or so they thought) ousted Chavez in a coup, they gathered in the Presidential palace holding their champagne glasses in the air chanting "Democracia! Democracia!" LOL!

zinnisking

(405 posts)
42. After that excerpt about the conspiracy against Chavez and the chanting coup leaders, Palast says
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 11:53 PM
Jul 2012

something about it being straight out of the 2000 GWB campaign victory speech or something about Katherine Harris. It's a funny and ironic excerpt. I'll have to go back and read it. It really is a good book.

zinnisking

(405 posts)
34. Many Democrats (politicians and rank and file) believe a conspiracy was commited in Florida in 2000
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 10:56 PM
Jul 2012

Booya! Politicians and private citizens ( see: DBT) conspire to steal votes.

The only thing that would stop unverifiable voting systems is if progressives like Michael Moore or George Soros manufactured paperless, electronic, touch screen voting machines and supplied the country. Right-wingers would be OUTRAGED, justifiably, would will start a movement. That would be an end to paperless voting. I know that's not going to happen. Our side isn't bold enough for a move like that. Meanwhile outspoken partisan fundraisers like Walden O'Dell can chair the companies of touch screen paperless voting machines and naive, trusting, rank and file liberals will thumb their nose at it. Trust is not always a winning attribute.

Time for change

(13,714 posts)
18. That's a very important question
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 08:44 PM
Jul 2012

We now live in a developing corporatocracy -- a system that fuses government and corporate power. Government does favors for corporations, like give them subsidies, bail them out when they get in trouble, loosen or abandon the government regulations that once kept them under control, and let them run our elections. In return, those in power receive bribes.... uh, I mean "campaign donations" to help keep them in power. Of course, that creates a positive feedback loop (otherwise known as a vicious cycle), which keeps the process going. Only when enough Americans recognize this process and become outraged about it will it stop.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
25. Get Rid of Electronic Voting Machines ...
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 09:55 PM
Jul 2012

Ireland just did ..http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0629/breaking2.html

If we are really worried about our elections, then WE THE PEOPLE should decide how to vote. Who asked me if implementing electronic touch screen voting machines were okay? Someone decide that for me.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
37. Well, one reason it takes many methods is that our Presidential elction is actually 50+ elections
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 11:06 PM
Jul 2012

Which is why it is incorrect to say 'our election system' because we have 50 of them, and your State must see to making changes to YOUR system of voting. That can not be imposed upon a State by the Federal Government, so your own State House and Sec of State are really what election reform is all about.
My State has all paper ballots, no 'e machines' .

Sirveri

(4,517 posts)
47. My state of CA has paper ballots as well, however they're all machine counted.
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 03:03 AM
Jul 2012

At least there is a back up and a hand recount can occur, but why should we trust the counting machines.

Not to knock at Bowen, she does a great job, so those machines might actually be legit.

Time for change

(13,714 posts)
48. Good point
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 07:32 AM
Jul 2012

But even within states they use many different methods, for example Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004.

Also, it is notable that in 2000, the US Supreme Court did blatantly impose its orders upon Florida to totally invalidate the methods that were being used to decide the election.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
43. The very LAST thing we need to be "privatizing" is democracy itself.
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 02:45 AM
Jul 2012

I've been following this shit for over a decade, so was amazed when
Obama "won", but then when he appointed Larry Summers, et. al.
it kinda made some weird kind of sense. Obama's is our proverbial
"crumb" that the 1% occasionally will allow to fall of the vast table
of their endless greed, in order to placate the rage of the masses,
to "save capitalism" from totally cannibalizing itself... self-destructing.

To me, the only question really is, if Obama's a 4-year or an 8-year
crumb.

Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
54. woo woo kick!
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 05:16 PM
Jul 2012


"Its dat woo woo, no what im sayin? Den you got da flows, aint dat trippy out da flowmastas and shit" "We do it fo da dekarayshunz man. Dats it and dats all man, fo dekarayshunz." "You posed be up cookin brehfast fo somebody, its like an alarm clock- woo woo!"
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