Msnbc is a joke.

[Mosaic]

Psuedo liberals, morning conservative spin gone mad, weekend trash shows for the lowest of classes, pundits going on vacation constantly with cheesy stand ins.

Every time they throw a bone at progressives, the liberal blogosphere reacts like a starving dog ready to forgive all their many sins.

Friday's are the worst with Rachel Maddow, a loving hippie, telling her viewers it's off to jail with you to get you to watch their absolutely filthy jail show. What a sweetie, how much did they pay her to sell her soul?

[lunatica]

1. You're entitled to your opinion

I disagree.

[Raine1967]

2. Anarchists Unite!

Seriously? Are you really going after Maddow?

And please, can you try not to be so condescending about a Rhodes Scholar? You had the damn choice to turn off the channelafter her show.

Good day.

[russspeakeasy]

3. They were a joke, but nobody laughed, now they are a tragedy.

I was glad when Martin went to 4:00 eastern, but they seemed to have slipped him some sedatives too.
If repugs are looking for a place to spout their talking points, during the daytime hours, msnbc will let them, with no interruption, or questions asked.
I don't give a shit about their prison shows, but it makes them look more like the second rate network they are becoming.....

.

[Mosaic]

8. They just keep going downhill

By this time next year you won't be able to tell the 3 corporate controlled cables apart.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

4. Ha ha.....funny

Oh wait, you're serious?

[flamingdem]

5. Rachel is on point today about Citizens United and concerns about losing congress

I don't see the hippie in her particularly

[high density]

6. It's entertainment

If you like it, watch it. If you don't, turn it off. I find most cable "news" pretty toxic and at best a waste of time.

[Zen Democrat]

7. So you're saying you don't get Rachel's sense of humor? I sure as hell do.

And as to pseudo liberals, I'll take them over certifiable conservatives ANY day. Now I do have my standards and, in that regard, I've seen all I can stomach of Harold Ford, Jr. and Michael Steele, not to mention Mark Halperin! Gag me. I stopped watching the Morning Stooges when Bill Press and Stephanie Miller were picked up on CurrentTV. VERY entertaining and informing folk.

[think]

9. Rachel Maddow doe snot strike me as a hippie but rather

a beautiful nerd.

There are other lights aboard but the mother ship is run by corporate whores who put a smile on the fog they create.....

[alp227]

10. I admit that "Predator Raw" can be some evil clown laughs.

I was on a cruise last month, and the TV included MSNBC. One weekend I was watching two episodes of "Caught on Camera" and an episode of "Predator: Raw" (i think that is title), basically Chris Hansen commenting on old episodes of "To Catch a Predator" including "unseen tapes". It can be funny in a dark way to see grown men honestly and openly tell Hansen about falling for the undercover bait. There was one 60 y/o saying he did the online chats because he still needs his mother to control his computer usage. Then a 30 year old, employed college grad, who made me sad more than thrilled.

As for weekend news, CNN already provides plenty so does (yes I know) Fox News. But at least MSNBC has some good weekend morning shows by Chris Hayes and Melissa Harris Perry.

[Walk away]

11. What do you actually expect to see on MSNBC?

One of my closest friends is a senior producer there and everybody works hard just staying on the air to offer some alternative to Foxnews. The station plays jail crap because (unlike Fox) they don't have the money for development or the audience to maintain a weekend of new shows.
During the elections they will put up more news programing and less non-news because the ratings will go up. Then a lot of the folks working on the new shows lose their job until the next big election year.
Fox pays their people high salaries and has great benefits but people leave and take jobs at MSNBC because they have scruples.
I don't know what you do for a living but you just slammed some of the hardest working and committed people I know.

[femmocrat]

19. Well that explains the prison programming, but...

I wish they would show re-runs of the evening talk shows instead, at least until midnight.

I am grateful that they produce the liberal-view shows that they do, though. I switch to Current when MSNBC has those Lockdown shows.

[lunatica]

24. They do show re-runs on weeknights

It's on Friday that the prison shows come up right after Rachel Maddow. They don't do Lawrence O'Donnell's show on Fridays. I've watched reruns of the shows many times after hours.

[femmocrat]

29. Yes, I meant on the weekends.

Sorry if I wasn't clear.

[lunatica]

33. Thanks for clearing that up

[wordpix]

61. I love MSNBC pundits - Rachel, Ed, Sharpton, even Chris M so thanks for your post

[Riftaxe]

12. Oh please, MSNBC

and Fox are both on the cutting edge of newest format of yellow journalism in the 21st century.

You are probably on of those silly folks who get them confused with a news station.

[upi402]

13. I'm with Rachel, no matter ...

Daytime if horrid. Ratigan is great, however, when I gewt to see it.

[Mosaic]

16. Ratigan quit a while back

I think he felt he could do better as an activist not constrained by establishment conformity. His replacement is a show that includes a Glen Beck style con called Cupp. I know Chris Hayes and Melissa Perry are some progress recently, so I won't write them off completely. Those are the only two shows I watch, as long as they last. The Nation's best writers do seem to have been co-opted by msnbc panels to the predictable corporate slant, while their ads for their magazine say otherwise.

[DeltaLitProf]

54. SE Cupp is going to leave eventually, tho

She is far from the relatively rational conservative of her reputation. She's an airhead, and the presence of Toure and Krystal Steal really make that obvious. I predict she'll march into an office and pull an "either they go or I go" act.

[TeamPooka]

56. and apparently she was used by McCotter in his "pilot"..

I hope we get to S.E that one day.

[dionysus]

15. my, aren't we bold.

[otohara]

17. Rating Periods Dictates Vacations

I know when I worked in radio, the on-air folks took time off during the few times people aren't participating in ratings. They usually were around the holidays, because people aren't listening/watching all that much.

Those jail shows we hate, for some sick reason get decent ratings.
Come Friday, I'm ready to bid adieu to politics and watch something else.

Don't be dissing Rachel, she' hates the prison shows too.

It isn't perfect, but it's all we got. I'm just glad Comcast hasn't killed MSNBC.

3-2-1 Prison

[orpupilofnature57]

18. Rachel Maddow is Thomas Paine incarnate

Yeah Msnbc is a G.E. joint ,no shit.

[tritsofme]

20. The nerve of these hosts to vacation during the summer!

While no one is paying attention to news. Incredulous!

[Mosaic]

22. They take vacations all year round

Easter, Christmas, New Years, summer, 4th of July, heck probably even Valentine's Day. And long ass ones too. We're left with scraps. Nice way to treat ex/loyal viewers.

[lunatica]

27. Now you're showing your biased ignorance

Trying to sound like you know what you're talking about when it's all just a made up rant on your part. It's obvious you don't watch MSNBC nearly as much as you'd like us to believe. If you did this thread wouldn't exist.

[Mosaic]

32. I don't watch except

To monitor the propaganda the sheep eat up. One must know as much as possible. Like I said some of it is acceptable, they mix that in with their corporate spin. If that's what you enjoy, just keep watching. I did watch until, a lot of that crap, up until about a week ago, so I do know what I am talking about. You don't know what I watch. The internet is where you can get the real liberal news.

[mythology]

45. How very Ignatius J Reilly of you.

[inna]

34. your hostility is unwarranted and uncalled for

what's up with that? are you projecting, perhaps?... ever try to watch MSNBC on Friday nights??



(recommending the thread, btw, partly because of your (odd) comment)

[lunatica]

59. Recommend whatever you want

You don't need my permission anymore than I need your permission about how I feel.

[inna]

63. i didn't ask for your permission, did i.

[DeSwiss]

21. ''weekend trash shows for the lowest of classes''

- Sounds a bit elitist, wouldn't you say???? Hmmmm????

[orpupilofnature57]

60. sounds a bit freeper to me.

Kkkarl would agree.

[BOG PERSON]

23. tv news is garbage

i get all my news from prisonplanet. because i'm not a chump.

[Skittles]

30. THANK YOU for that tip

I dumped cable because I was sick of all the shit; I reply on the internet to get my news, and appreciate news tips

[Alexander]

25. On Sunday mornings MSNBC has great programming.

Chris Hayes & Melissa Harris-Perry both deliver excellent shows and usually have well-informed, well-spoken guests on instead of partisan hacks.

I don't really watch apart from that.

[bigwillq]

26. So don't watch.

Problem solved.

[MADem]

28. If someone tells you to jump out a window, would you do it?

RM gets PAID, you know, a lovely salary from MSNBC to bring in viewers and put eyes on their advertisements. That's how she is able to get paid, from ad revenue.

You don't have to follow her suggestion. Do your own thing. Don't get mad at her for earning her pay, though. That's just cold.

[A HERETIC I AM]

31. Sorry, but someone has to say this;

Who gives a fuck?

[Swede]

35. Go watch FOX.

You will probably enjoy it more.

[Mosaic]

36. I avoid all the television now

Especially Faux, won't even touch it for a second. I'll watch the Olympics maybe.

[Swede]

37. When does that start?

It is a nice break from things.

[Mosaic]

38. Around the 20th

This month, you can check to be sure.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

43. He wants us to

watch Fox with him.

[jimlup]

39. I mean really??? You expect more than this from the corporate media? Why?

There is never been an indication that corporatalism works. This is just one more example.

But hey! I don't think Rachel's really a sell out just the same. I mean maybe from some ultra-purist perspective but I don't many of us here can really claim any different ourselves. I certainly can't. Not that I haven't made hard choices but in a sense I still work for "the man."

[Downtown Hound]

40. Hmm...you'd think a news network owned by General Electric and Microsoft would be better

Oh wait, no, actually I wouldn't.

[bluedigger]

41. Some people create new programming.

Others recycle news feeds. I prefer today's news over last week's myself. I can get that anywhere.

[Egalitarian Thug]

42. Seven figure salaries come with a lot of compromise.

Lewis Rothschild: People want leadership, Mr. President, and in the absence of genuine leadership, they'll listen to anyone who steps up to the microphone. They want leadership. They're so thirsty for it they'll crawl through the desert toward a mirage, and when they discover there's no water, they'll drink the sand.

President Andrew Shepherd: Lewis, we've had presidents who were beloved, who couldn't find a coherent sentence with two hands and a flashlight. People don't drink the sand because they're thirsty. They drink the sand because they don't know the difference.

[Stardust]

44. How about a nice glass of Merlot?

[Skip Intro]

46. They all are. Look over here. Shiny things....

Just a small cog in a giant mechanism.

Oh man, I hope my post isn't alerted on as "crazy talk."

[Rowdyboy]

47. I happily stand with Rachel...sorry you don't....

"A loving hippie"? Why are you so angry? I am a loving hippy too. Life is too short to waste it hating...

[JNathanK]

51. Its punk to hate on hippies

[Scootaloo]

53. No, it's punk to be punk.

Slapping hippies around is its own category of sport (it has two levels; beginner and easy.)

There are logical reasons to do so. But their being "loving" isn't one of those reasons. Being politically useless is a reason; being nice people isn't a reason. Much like soccer, you've got to draw some lines and boundaries, else it's not a sport anymore; you're just kicking a ball around aimlessly.

And Rachel isn't even a hippy in the first damned place.

[TeamPooka]

57. I love Rachel too!...

but I do hate the prison shows.

[canonfodder]

48. What??

A sane voice in a forest of babble.
Get a grip.

[JNathanK]

49. Its better than Fox News, but yah, I am suspicious since its owned by the same people who run CNBC

Its too sensationalist, and half the time they're just reacting to stuff Fox News said when they should just be ignoring it.

[DeltaLitProf]

55. Yah, we should go back to ignoring Fox News

Because the years 1996 to 2006 were such good years for Democratic causes, weren't they?

[limpyhobbler]

50. It's one long Chevron commercial with brief interruptions for election horse race coverage.

You will be better informed if you find another way to get your news.

I like the personalities fine, Sharpton, O'Donnell, Maddow, Shultz, etc. The are basically mainstream liberals.

But they are working in a crummy system that doesn't allow much great reporting or analysis.

Any one of them would create a better show with their own independent internet program.

Opinions may vary tho.

[Scootaloo]

52. Speaking of news, this thread reminds me of something I saw in the paper a while back...

[Spitfire of ATJ]

58. MSNBC

You have a former Republican who claimed he was out golfing at night as an alibi for the dead woman in his office who's body was whisked away and cremated. His cohost is the daughter of a major player in the Trilateral Commission. Then you have the wife of Alan Greenspan and then there's a guy who represents the stereotypical Washington Villager with a huge ego who supported Rudy Giuliani because "he made it so the phone booths don't smell like pee" and who said "America wants a little bit of Fascism" and who had an orgasm on the air when Bush did his crotch dance on the Lincoln. Weekends are a fashion show of the latest in prison tattoos.

Or, as Conservatives put it, "The Commie Network".

Of course this is from people who watch another network where the women look like they left the house and forgot to dress below the waist and that takes their cameras into strip clubs.

[DirkGently]

62. I thought Rachel was pretty clearly mocking Lockup!

What else is she supposed to do -- storm off the set in protest?

Whatever sucks about MSNBC, they've got the real deal in Maddow and Hayes. There's nothing "pseudo" about either of them, and some days they're the only points of light in the inane mass media soup that surrounds us.

American media and journalistic culture is a joke. MSNBC is one of the few embracing something better, if only for a few hours a day.