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(81,570 posts)mcar
(42,372 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)Think of all the money they'll have left over!
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PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,895 posts)save on rent once you're living on a park bench!
stopbush
(24,396 posts)After that comes the rule that you can't get insurance if you're a renter, not a homeowner.
After that comes the rule that if your house is worth less than $2-million, you can't get insurance.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,895 posts)Of course, they'll also need to pass a rule that if you don't have insurance you can't go to an emergency room for treatment.
gademocrat7
(10,669 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)supporters for their votes.
Enjoy abject poverty and early death SUCKERS!!
800 percent!!!!
mcar
(42,372 posts)I wonder how his voters will rationalize this?
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)on Fox and friends will blame it on Hillary's emails.
And the faithful deplorables will believe.
Trump is their Jim Jones and they have drunk deeply of his purple kook-aid.
mcar
(42,372 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)They are in for a rude awakening
taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)By making it too expensive for older Americans to afford health care so they die before they take too much money out of it.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)among the yes voters. It should be changed where Congress has to be under the bill they pass, maybe a premium of over half of their salary will get their attention. Shameful.
mcar
(42,372 posts)And my district is almost all retirees.
MyNameIsKhan
(2,205 posts)applegrove
(118,778 posts)mcar
(42,372 posts)Because these are their voters.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,870 posts)Fewer people on SSI. More money for those tax paying rich people.
Oh, except they don't pay taxes.
mcar
(42,372 posts)But fewer R voters too. Their strategy has some flaws.
mitch96
(13,924 posts)suffragette
(12,232 posts)Not by any definition is that a moderate change.
mcar
(42,372 posts)But that's "moderate."
suffragette
(12,232 posts)They profit; we lose.
mcar
(42,372 posts)All those good "Christians" who came up with this travesty will burn in hell with Roger Ailes.
suffragette
(12,232 posts)TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)still_one
(92,396 posts)could to undermine the ACA, are cause this instability.
On the other hand, California is an example of how to do it right.
"The state has recorded some of the nations most dramatic gains in health coverage since 2013 while building a competitive insurance marketplace that offers consumers enhanced protections from high medical bills.
Californians, unlike people in many states, have many insurance choices. That means that even with rising premiums, the vast majority of consumers should be able to find a plan that costs them, at most, 5% more than they are paying this year.
And all health plans being sold in the state will cap how much patients must pay for prescriptions every month and for many doctor visits."
That reflects deliberate choices by California state officials who, unlike many states, used the health law to expand the Medicaid safety net and build a marketplace that put stringent requirements on insurance companies.
California followed the blueprint. They did it right, said Dr. J. Mario Molina, chief executive of Long Beach-based Molina Healthcare Inc., a leading national insurer that is selling marketplace plans in nine states in 2017.
What has been lost in all the rhetoric and the politics is that the system can work, Molina said. Open enrollment begins next month.
California and its Obamacare marketplace, Covered California, still face challenges, including rising costs. Like consumers elsewhere, some Californians, particularly those who make too much money to qualify for government subsidies, are seeing substantial premium increases and narrowing networks.
But while health coverage has faltered in other states where politicians worked to undermine the law, California highlights what can be accomplished if government officials and industry leaders work together to expand insurance, control costs and protect consumers.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obamacare-california-model-20161007-snap-story.html
mcar
(42,372 posts)still_one
(92,396 posts)subsidies, leaders in red states were discouraging people from buying into the individual mandate, and that resulted in many young healthy people refusing to sign-up for the ACA, which over weighted the system with more people with existing problems or risks, and while the ACA would work, this not so subtle sabotaging of it could very likely cause the ACA to collapse.
The CBO's estimated that 20 million plus that will lose coverage under the proposed republican plan is adding further instability to the insurance industry.
From the republican perspective they hope no matter what happens, that hope the ACA will collapse on its own if they are not able to repeal it.
Either way it isn't a good scenario. Millions will lose their coverage, either by insurance companies pulling out, or those that remain, the premiums will be so high for those that need that coverage, they are not affordable.
For those that believe this will force Medicare for all, single payer, or a public option, I wouldn't hold my breath as long as republicans control the government.
2018 is even more critical, and just capturing one house won't be enough, we need both the Senate and the House to do something. Otherwise the best that probably can be hoped for is preventing things from getting less worse until 2020, and a lot of people are going to be hurt
The bottom line is do Americans as a whole believe that healthcare should be a right?
There is a bill going through California right now for Single Payer. Are people willing to pay more taxes for single payer?
I would be more than willing to pay the 15% state tax, but I have no idea if my fellow Californians would be