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Wed May 31, 2017, 02:03 PM

"collusion is not a crime"??


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Reply "collusion is not a crime"?? (Original post)
HAB911 May 2017 OP
Johnny2X2X May 2017 #1
marylandblue May 2017 #2
get the red out May 2017 #3
mchill May 2017 #4
ProfessorGAC May 2017 #5
Kablooie May 2017 #6
sharp_stick May 2017 #7
Cicada May 2017 #8
DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #9
onethatcares May 2017 #10

Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Wed May 31, 2017, 02:06 PM

1. Knew this was coming

As soon as Trump said there was "no collusion", I knew they'd eventually say nothing was wrong with collusion.

They colluded with a foreign government to steal the US Presidency. And it's not like this foreign country was Canada, it is Russia, who is our adversary.

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Wed May 31, 2017, 02:07 PM

2. Well sure, they were just colluding on a surprise party for Donald

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Wed May 31, 2017, 02:10 PM

3. Nothing that sticks it to godless liberals

is a crime. That is absolutely their belief.

If the Trumpers are ever capable of believing there was collusion, they will applaud it as patriotic for "saving the country".

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Wed May 31, 2017, 02:10 PM

4. I have heard someone in Intelligence say

"collusion" is not a crime, but "coordination" is, so may be a matter of semantics and Fox is trading on that technicality.

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Wed May 31, 2017, 02:12 PM

5. It Can Be

Fomenting a conspiracy through collusion can violate RICO. Two mafia dons collude to take over a third don's rackets. They've already broken the law, but haven't done anything but collude.

So, they're wrong.

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Wed May 31, 2017, 02:12 PM

6. The argument is that there is no statute covering collusion,

Unless we are in a state of war.

But the RICO laws probably have something to cover this

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Wed May 31, 2017, 02:19 PM

7. I saw that trial balloon

It makes me think that the administration is really getting worried that something is going to stick.

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Wed May 31, 2017, 02:42 PM

8. Collusion to break a law is a separate crime

If a trumpeter colluded in illegal hacking or in securing illegal political contributions or in illegally revealing private information then that collusion is the crime of criminal conspiracy. But colluding in getting Trump elected in legal ways is not a crime.

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Wed May 31, 2017, 02:44 PM

9. He might be technically correct.


But subornation of perjury, perjury, and obstruction of justice are crimes and one can be guilty of all those even if the underlying act was legal.

A great example is Clinton's consensual blow job. It was legal. The cover up is what created legal exposure for him and Monica Lewinsky.


Also, if there is evidence of collusion that's an impeachable offense.

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Wed May 31, 2017, 03:25 PM

10. technically correct,

and of course, Faux news would be the first to say that if Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Barrack Obama or anyone else on the Democratic side of the aisle had talks with the Russians and wanted to secure a private back channel to their leaders.

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