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Aristus

(66,329 posts)
Sat Jun 3, 2017, 12:18 AM Jun 2017

The U.S. Climate Alliance confirms what I suspected would happen re: "states rights".

in the wake of Trump's toxic hypernationalism.

The states would go their own way, regardless of the direction of the inept, blisteringly incompetent course of Trump's White House.

And because the blue states have the bulk of the population (because no one lives in East Cornhole, Arkassippi; no one worth talking about, anyway...), we have a national majority on our side.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Climate_Alliance

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The U.S. Climate Alliance confirms what I suspected would happen re: "states rights". (Original Post) Aristus Jun 2017 OP
Make that ArkaTexaSsippiKansaKota mhw Jun 2017 #1
Took the words right out of my mouth... Aristus Jun 2017 #2
Lol. We could just keep adding on the names of stupid states mhw Jun 2017 #5
For me, it's a hundred miles to the Canadian border. Aristus Jun 2017 #8
I grew up across the border south of Winnepeg. Drinking age in Canada was 18.. mhw Jun 2017 #12
I'll bet. Aristus Jun 2017 #13
All the people in those states aren't stupid, though. The ones who are not T supporters are Amaryllis Jun 2017 #18
Indeed. Its the Trump voters from those red states who have damaged the rest of us beyond measure. mhw Jun 2017 #21
After Trump won I looked to the climate agreements between california applegrove Jun 2017 #3
I think it was going to happen. Aristus Jun 2017 #4
When was that tweet? applegrove Jun 2017 #9
Late yesterday or earlier today, I think. Aristus Jun 2017 #14
Thanks. I did not see that. Interesting. applegrove Jun 2017 #16
That is impressive Samantha Jun 2017 #6
Just got home from a social justice conference cilla4progress Jun 2017 #7
There really is no irony. Aristus Jun 2017 #10
GHG emissions are not specifically mentioned in the Constitution. roamer65 Jun 2017 #11
Dormant Commerce Clause may throw a monkey wrench into this issue LesterKasai Jun 2017 #15
Possibly. roamer65 Jun 2017 #17
OR gov says this has been in the works for six months: Amaryllis Jun 2017 #19
Now, Y'all Just Wait One Damned Minute, There MineralMan Jun 2017 #20
 

mhw

(678 posts)
5. Lol. We could just keep adding on the names of stupid states
Sat Jun 3, 2017, 12:34 AM
Jun 2017

..see how long a word we can make

It is really hurtful to sit here watching the USA being broken.
I compare the ordeal to watching the Arctic ice disappearing..bit by bit.

Should we stay or should we flee

Aristus

(66,329 posts)
8. For me, it's a hundred miles to the Canadian border.
Sat Jun 3, 2017, 12:38 AM
Jun 2017

I could probably score a work-visa pretty easily. And join the national health service of Canada that the USA hates and distrusts so much, simply because a bunch of wealthy corporations told us to.

 

mhw

(678 posts)
12. I grew up across the border south of Winnepeg. Drinking age in Canada was 18..
Sat Jun 3, 2017, 12:47 AM
Jun 2017

We visited often..

Aristus

(66,329 posts)
13. I'll bet.
Sat Jun 3, 2017, 12:49 AM
Jun 2017

I'd love to work in a little clinic in beautiful, liberal Victoria, B.C.

My focus is homeless medicine, so I should probably live in Vancouver instead; they have a pretty bad homeless problem.

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
18. All the people in those states aren't stupid, though. The ones who are not T supporters are
Sat Jun 3, 2017, 02:23 PM
Jun 2017

hurting and probably feeling pretty isolated. I'm in a blue city and at least have plenty of people who feel like I do.

 

mhw

(678 posts)
21. Indeed. Its the Trump voters from those red states who have damaged the rest of us beyond measure.
Sat Jun 3, 2017, 02:57 PM
Jun 2017

I'm in Texas btw.
I dont know how to pry the RW from our State houses.
They surround each other like a fortress. Rig the laws to favor their permanence
Like Trump's kids & Cabinet.

Apologies to those hurting who have seen their efforts be silenced, mocked & bulldozed over.




applegrove

(118,642 posts)
3. After Trump won I looked to the climate agreements between california
Sat Jun 3, 2017, 12:28 AM
Jun 2017

and Quebec and thought we would see more interconnectedness .

Aristus

(66,329 posts)
4. I think it was going to happen.
Sat Jun 3, 2017, 12:33 AM
Jun 2017

And I'm pretty sure PM Trudeau already knew it was going to happen; the way he worded his tweet: "The United States Federal government" as opposed to "The United States..."

Aristus

(66,329 posts)
14. Late yesterday or earlier today, I think.
Sat Jun 3, 2017, 12:50 AM
Jun 2017

I'm not on Twitter, so I can't give you chapter and verse.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
6. That is impressive
Sat Jun 3, 2017, 12:36 AM
Jun 2017

Thanks for posting this. I was thinking of calling Republican Governor Larry Hogan's office to ask what his position is on this subject. It is unusual for Maryland to have a Republican Governor, but this Republican outlawed fracking in Maryland -- which previously has been allowed. I was delighted to see his name on the list as supporting the alliance.

Sam

cilla4progress

(24,729 posts)
7. Just got home from a social justice conference
Sat Jun 3, 2017, 12:37 AM
Jun 2017

And it was noted the irony that progressives are now in favor of states' rights.

Aristus

(66,329 posts)
10. There really is no irony.
Sat Jun 3, 2017, 12:40 AM
Jun 2017

We were for Federalism when it meant abolition and equal rights. We're only leaning towards states rights now because the Federal government became inimical to those concepts.

We're not advocating for slavery...

We're not the bad guys...

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
11. GHG emissions are not specifically mentioned in the Constitution.
Sat Jun 3, 2017, 12:40 AM
Jun 2017

Therefore, in the absence of that mention, the states are legally able to regulate them as they see fit.

Especially in the absence of federal guidance.

 

LesterKasai

(132 posts)
15. Dormant Commerce Clause may throw a monkey wrench into this issue
Sat Jun 3, 2017, 01:04 AM
Jun 2017

Even though you are correct that GHG is not mentioned in the US Constitution, and that it looks like congress will not regulate GHG, I feel that the Dormant Commerce Clause may still play a significant role in this issue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dormant_Commerce_Clause

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
17. Possibly.
Sat Jun 3, 2017, 01:12 AM
Jun 2017

But it can be attacked through "nullification".

Any rulings can simply be ignored. It worked for the southern states in regard to slavery for many, many years.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
20. Now, Y'all Just Wait One Damned Minute, There
Sat Jun 3, 2017, 02:50 PM
Jun 2017

As a lifelong resident of East Cornhole, I take considerable umbrage from your scurrilous characterization, I'll have you know!

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