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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo, are people going to give Sen. Manchin a pass for supporting Trump's Paris Agreement Withdrawl?
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pnwmom
(108,977 posts)And with all the coal miners in his state, I don't blame him for that position.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)babylonsister
(171,065 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,686 posts)Yeah, he's from WVa, but Jesus on a pogo stick, with Democrats like him who needs Republicans?
msongs
(67,405 posts)kacekwl
(7,017 posts)he of course will pander to his state. Hopefully he knows trumps "order" means nothing at least for several years and I fully expect pres. Shitstain will be gone well before then.
BzaDem
(11,142 posts)So if you are in favor of a permanent Republican super-majority, by all means you should support defeating Manchin. Political parties that throw away such seats (where the opposing party's presidential candidate won by 40 points) simply are not relevant in our political system.
QC
(26,371 posts)that he has committed in the past or might commit in the future.
It's like having an indulgence signed by the pope himself.
(Obligatory disclaimer: I have been a registered Democrat since I became eligible to vote in 1983. I voted for Hillary. I would rather have Manchin in that seat than a Republican. Etc.)
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)agree with us, if we are ever to win back the House and the Senate.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)brand, make us weak as the opposing party, and he will make us weak when we try to pass legislation if we become the majority party, and his position forces the rest of our Dems to walk on egg shells when talking about these things, for fear of putting a target on the heads of our own members that we supposedly need so badly. He's a fucking poison pill.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)who is not electable in W Virginia is worthless to us.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)More than you can say for your non-existent pure progressive West Virginia Senator.
JI7
(89,249 posts)If dems could control the Senate they control committes and what issues come up for vote.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)Or they do and they just don't care.
JI7
(89,249 posts)Rather than having the votes which he did.
JI7
(89,249 posts)In the dem primary alone over 40 percent voted for a prison inmate over Obama.
These things are facts .
JCanete
(5,272 posts)voters than the way we're doing it. Just accepting a very very low bar as all we can get actually means that that is all we can get. Fuck it, if Manchin wins in the primaries, that's a pretty fair statement to your point, but if he isn't primaried, and we aren't given a chance to see if the people there want something else, by, I don't know, actually offering something else, then we are arresting ourselves in this reality..
what is wrong with primarying these people?
JI7
(89,249 posts)You do it by going after minorities.
That's why voted for the priSon inmate over Obama.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)coming from a state that strongly supported DT.
And challenging a Democratic incumbent in a primary in a conservative district or state is a good way to kneecap him in the general election against the Rethug. You'd think Democrats would have learned that by now.
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)Frank Underwood always said to vote your district. This is precisely what Joe Mancin is doing.
His state voted 70% for Trump.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)a climate change accord, you are not "representing" your voters...you are fucking them. If they don't know that to be the reality, that doesn't change that it is the reality. If he isn't going to actually protect their interests then what is he good for.
a la izquierda
(11,794 posts)I'm supposed to be okay with that?
Fwiw, I live in WV. I'm supporting his opponent. I don't care if that gets me banned from here.
QC
(26,371 posts)Maybe some "Pro Traditional Marriage" Democrats? They will probably vote for the leadership most of the time, after all.
I understand the reasoning here, that someone who will vote for the party leadership and that having the speaker's chair / majority leader spot means a lot in terms of scheduling votes and appointing committee chairs and issuing subpoenas and such, but I wish we wouldn't give a pass to wretched behavior by our own, which is something we have long criticized the Republicans for doing.
Yes, it's better to have Joe Manchin in that seat than a GOP knuckledragger, but that doesn't mean he's a progressive hero.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)a DINO in a conservative district or state than a Rethug. And Manchin votes with Democrats about 70% of the time. A Rethug would vote with Dems 20% of the time. Which is better?
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treestar
(82,383 posts)that absolves him of this one.
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DanTex
(20,709 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)They are the ones who vote for or against him, and they know a lot more about his service to their state.
JI7
(89,249 posts)People outside of west virginia are not able to vote in that state.
What you need to do is convince voters in the state to support liberal positions if you want their reps to do the same.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)Joe Manchin doesn't represent me, or most of the people on this board. He only represents people from West Virginia, and he probably has his finger on the pulse of what W VA voters want better than we do.
And I'd rather have a Democrat, any Democrat, in that seat than a random Republican.
JHan
(10,173 posts)If someone stronger can be found who can primary him, and who will surely keep WV* Dem, then let's hear it.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)Better on some than a right wingnut- but frankly that's an awfully low bar.
NCjack
(10,279 posts)no replacement jobs. He is trying to stay in the game. Now, I feel dirty and need a long hot shower, with lots of soap and scrubbing.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)Unless he believes his own rhetoric.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)emulatorloo
(44,121 posts)Strong opposition to Trumpcare.
Dumbass statement on Paris accord though.