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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 06:53 AM Jun 2017

The even more ridiculous right-wing talking-point that is replacing "Reps and Dems are equally bad."

Oh, I know. I know. DC is one big swamp-pit. Republicans are bad. Democrats are bad. There really is no difference between those two.




You may forget that. That's the old talking-point. Now that Trump has shown everybody how BAD the Republicans actually are, it has become impossible to claim that the Democrats are basically like that.

That's why they have a new spin:
- Trump's presidency isn't so bad if you compare it to the hypothetical administration of hypothetical President Hillary Clinton with all her hypothetical scandals that have never happened and maybe would or maybe would not have happened had she become President. (For example: Found this spin on Politico.)
- The Republicans must ram through Gorsuch to the Supreme Court, because that is what the Democrats would hypothetically do if they were in power.
- The Republicans must get rid of the filibuster and ram through their legislation, because that is what the Democrats would hypothetically do if they were in power. (From a Trump-tweet.)



And now this:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/the-great-betrayal-of-middle-america

It is not too much of an exaggeration that the media is now a fundamental part of progressive clerisy. According to the Center for Public Integrity, 96 percent of all media outlet donations went to Hillary Clinton last year. This process has been accelerated by the shift of media to an ever smaller, and ever more blue series of cities. More than half of all journalism jobs are now in cities which Clinton won by over 30 points; in 2008 they had less than a third.

(Translated: Journalists live mainly in cities. Cities tend to vote democratic. That why all journalists are part of the elitist liberal "clerisy".)

...

Yet, particularly after Trump, the clerisy no longer feels it needs to contain its contempt for the population. One does not have to be a Trump supporter to see the long-term dangers to democratic governance from over-empowered civil servants openly contemptuous of voters and the people they vote for.

(That would have been a major opportunity to talk about how Republicans want to cut social items from every budget they can. Or how detached the Electoral College and the Senate are from the will of the people. Or how unaccountable to the will of the people republican Congressmen are, safe in their hyper-partisan gerrymandered disctricts. Or how they are evading town-halls. Or how they are deriding their angry constituents as paid protesters.

No?

Let's rather bash a strawman.)

...

Over the next few years, Trump’s failure will elevate these “experts” who, in the anti-expert Trump, have found a perfect foil. Every time the president, or his minions, say something stupid (which is often), the talking heads and academics can harrumph about how the country should be run by Ph.D.s and J.D.s who, they feel, should direct rule on the unruly masses from above.

(A country run by non-partisan group of people who are really good at policy, diplomacy, economy and science? That sounds like a horror-scenario!!!
Please forget that the author just 4 paragraphs earlier bashed the persistence of social class and called for the very meritocracy he is now demonizing because it would put intellectuals into power.)

...

The triumph of the oligarchs may spell the end of America as we have known it. Increasingly the core functions—and the big rewards—are concentrated in fewer hands and in fewer places. The distress being felt in rural areas and second-tier cities has its roots in globalization which, as Chicago sociologist Richard Longworth suggested two decades ago, undermines the industrial and routine business functions while boosting the already fantastic wealth of top echelon of executives, and those who serve them.

(That would have been a chance to talk about how Wall Street has decoupled profit from means of production and workforce. If only there were a political party devoted to worker's rights...)

...

To keep the voters and the people they vote for at bay, the oligarchs will make common cause with the social justice warriors (as we saw during the election) and the greens to confine and control the terms of our national conversation as they work to expand and enforce a neo-feudal order.

(And why exactly will the social justice warriors and the Greens accept their role as pawns in the assault on the common people??? Don't think about it too hard. They would simply sell out their beliefs. Trust me.)

...

The hoi polloi? They will get a stipend from the wealth generated by the oligarchs like Mark Zuckerberg. Likely not enough to start a business or own a home, but good enough to stave off homelessness or starvation. Silicon Valley and its media tools will forge a generation plugged into its phone but that owns little, and spends its limited capital on media, gadgets, and other idle pursuits. Americans will become more like a nature of serfs, their daily bread dependent on the kindness of their betters, their iPhone serving as both the new confessional and ephemeral town square.

This is precisely the America that Trump’s supporters sought to prevent, but may soon be stuck with. Not because the middle and working class has failed, but because Trump, due to his dysfunctional ways and inborn class biases, has betrayed the very people who put him in office.

(Sooooooo... The rich people giving money to the poor people to make ends meet is evil because the poor people are idiots who don't know how to spend their money properly?
And people will be stuck in jobs they hate and that pay too little? Maybe because the minimum-wage is too low and maybe because they need the healthcare-insurance and maybe they have very little legal worker's rights? If only there were political party that would strife to battle these evils...
Also, that paragraph would have been a major opportunity to talk about the gig-economy, but bringing that up would have ruined the narrative how the Left will happily sell out to Big Tech.)




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The talking-point is no longer "The Republicans and the Democrats are basically the same."

The new talking-point is "The real-life Republicans and the worst-possible hypothetical Democrats are basically the same."

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The even more ridiculous right-wing talking-point that is replacing "Reps and Dems are equally bad." (Original Post) DetlefK Jun 2017 OP
Oligarchs made common cause with "social justice warriors" in the last presidential election? What bettyellen Jun 2017 #1
That's a quote from the article. I would have put it in italics, but that's not possible on DU. DetlefK Jun 2017 #3
So you don't understand it either....? But know that SJW is RW framing perjorative to slime liberals bettyellen Jun 2017 #4
The author uses 'oligarchs" for tech billionaires, ignoring that Trump is the biggest oligarch muriel_volestrangler Jun 2017 #17
I was thinking I'd need to print it and eliminate 2/3 of the adjectives - and all of the boring bettyellen Jun 2017 #20
First Griffin, then Maher. Is there a pool to see which Democratic proponent SJWs will purge next? TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #2
Ahh the melodrama! Who are these mysterious SJWs you complain about? bettyellen Jun 2017 #5
Sasse immediately picked up on Maher's Malcolm X reference, the GOPs vision of indentured servitude. TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #7
Again/ who are you calling SJWs and why are you using it in this melodramatic negative way? bettyellen Jun 2017 #9
Why are you assuming SJW applies to you? The "melodrama" is a soon to be born reality. TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #10
I didn't say that- so strange since you're so good at typing so many words and yet.... bettyellen Jun 2017 #11
SJWs know who they are. I'm not getting dragged down that rabbit hole. TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #14
Well if you're stooping to use RW perjoratives to describe loyal Dems perhaps.... you're lower than bettyellen Jun 2017 #15
whatever TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #16
But that Sasse - he got the joke alright! Not like those foolish SJWs! /S bettyellen Jun 2017 #21
You're correct in the snarkiness. The "foolish SJWs," just the foolish ones. TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #24
Jesus Christ, neither the article nor this thread says anything about Griffin or Maher muriel_volestrangler Jun 2017 #18
Suppressing liberal opinion directly applies to the following, in the article: TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #19
You haven't a clue, have you? That's complaining that *conservative* opinion was oppressed muriel_volestrangler Jun 2017 #22
True. But the same machinery that performs one function can perform the other. TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #23
I'm laughing. So hard. The horseshoe theory is REAL. HA HA HA bettyellen Jun 2017 #25
That is one of the most florid overwrought pieces of shit I ever read. WOW bettyellen Jun 2017 #6
LOL! That RW writer sounds very self-important! Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #12
False equivalency is a handy dandy way of avoiding having to defend your position. ehrnst Jun 2017 #8
Yes, the republicans are extremely reflexive rock Jun 2017 #13
Where we fail is when we don't see that the debate is 100% partisan Cary Jun 2017 #26
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
1. Oligarchs made common cause with "social justice warriors" in the last presidential election? What
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 07:01 AM
Jun 2017

And who specifically are you talking about? How did I miss this development?



" To keep the voters and the people they vote for at bay, the oligarchs will make common cause with the social justice warriors (as we saw during the election) and the greens to confine and control the terms of our national conversation as they work to expand and enforce a neo-feudal order. "

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
4. So you don't understand it either....? But know that SJW is RW framing perjorative to slime liberals
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 08:02 AM
Jun 2017

Also I believe there is a 4-5 paragraph limit of what you can snip from other sources. Most people use quotes and .... snip" if they don't know how to do the italics

muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
17. The author uses 'oligarchs" for tech billionaires, ignoring that Trump is the biggest oligarch
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 09:03 AM
Jun 2017

that American politics has ever seen. He ran on the platform "I'm rich". His 'budgets' are huge giveaways to millionaires and billionaires. He's stuffed his cabinet with millionaires, and uses his family to run policy for the benefit of family businesses.

And yet he thinks Trump's election was a "peasants' revolt". He claims Trump "identified with the plight of the “left behind” America". No he didn't. He never felt "left behind". He identified with the desire for revenge of the deplorable section of "left behind" America. But that wish to punish "enemies" is what the author sees as valid, while anyone speaking against it is trying to "confine and control the terms of our national conversation as they work to expand and enforce a neo-feudal order".

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
20. I was thinking I'd need to print it and eliminate 2/3 of the adjectives - and all of the boring
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 09:13 AM
Jun 2017

Asides about historical dynasties (def paid by the word!) and then it would make clear points. Obvs Inwas wrong!
I suppose the author assumed if they dressed that turd up in a whole lot of florid verse, it would sound smart and so important. But it's the same old shitty "economic not cultural anxiety" nonsense. And it had DUers whining about SJWs too because liberal suck. Ugh, what a pant load.

Thanks for the recap , my friend.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
5. Ahh the melodrama! Who are these mysterious SJWs you complain about?
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 08:12 AM
Jun 2017

Could they be DUers who dislike racist slurs? Why don't they just shit up so you can have your funsies without feeling icky? So sad!


WTF DU.

TheBlackAdder

(28,189 posts)
7. Sasse immediately picked up on Maher's Malcolm X reference, the GOPs vision of indentured servitude.
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 08:28 AM
Jun 2017

.


They could be. They could also not be attuned to Malcolm X's words and pieced the two together with nuance.

I have posted elsewhere the literary reasons why the N-work should be tempered and when it shouldn't. And, in certain cases, when dealing with oppressive regimes and ideologies, it sometimes works to present the unfiltered word on display to highlight the coarseness of the issue. When a racist uses the N-word, and the press reports it as the "N-word" instead of the actual word, they actually aid and abet the perpetrator. Why? Because there is a decoding process that takes place, when a person sees the "N-word" and converts it back to its true meaning. During those few milliseconds, the sting of the word is removed. It's sort of like how White Supremacists like to call themselves Alt-Right, because it masks the true term.

While the "N-word" is not in my lexicon, except for a research paper of antebellum Southern Paternalism, my doctor of African American Studies professor gave strict usages for the word. It is extremely uncomfortable to say the word in public, as I had to when reading some slave narratives and Modern Literary works in front of class. Regarding the Modern Literary recital, I was chosen because of my more advanced age, being well outside of the university peer age.

The melodrama is in the post I am responding to, since the Republicans, reddit and 4chan users have the taste of blood now, seeing two successful campaigns underway. It is only rational to assume there will be a third, and the question is, "How many Dems will participate in that campaign, too?" I understand the personal umbrage taken.

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bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
9. Again/ who are you calling SJWs and why are you using it in this melodramatic negative way?
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 08:36 AM
Jun 2017

Honestly I'd love a straight answer- not five florid paragraphs that skirt my questions.

It's bizarre how much people expect me to read today without ever deigning to actually reply to my questions at all. It's rather rude.

TheBlackAdder

(28,189 posts)
10. Why are you assuming SJW applies to you? The "melodrama" is a soon to be born reality.
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 08:38 AM
Jun 2017

.

I detect defensiveness.

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bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
11. I didn't say that- so strange since you're so good at typing so many words and yet....
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 08:43 AM
Jun 2017

Miss the mark, and substitute your imagination while agai, dodging the actual question. I guess that's what you would call "playing possum". Who has time for this nonsense? Straight answer please, with minimal adjectives. That article was so florid, I can't cope with excessive digression any more this morning.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
15. Well if you're stooping to use RW perjoratives to describe loyal Dems perhaps.... you're lower than
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 08:48 AM
Jun 2017

you realize. Shitty thing to say about liberals, yes it is. But you put words in people's mouths so yeah, maybe not such a good judge. LOL

muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
18. Jesus Christ, neither the article nor this thread says anything about Griffin or Maher
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 09:06 AM
Jun 2017

Can you keep your personal obsessions out of threads that have nothing at all to do with them? It's hijacking, and it's rude. There are loads of threads in you can witter on about them to your heart's content, and we can ignore you completely.

TheBlackAdder

(28,189 posts)
19. Suppressing liberal opinion directly applies to the following, in the article:
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 09:11 AM
Jun 2017

.

To keep the voters and the people they vote for at bay, the oligarchs will make common cause with the social justice warriors (as we saw during the election) and the greens to confine and control the terms of our national conversation as they work to expand and enforce a neo-feudal order.

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muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
22. You haven't a clue, have you? That's complaining that *conservative* opinion was oppressed
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 09:18 AM
Jun 2017

You're taking the side of the fucking conservative who wrote this damn article!

Give up. Log off. Get rid of your 'SJW' obsession. And don't hijack threads.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
6. That is one of the most florid overwrought pieces of shit I ever read. WOW
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 08:24 AM
Jun 2017

The majority of sentences have 4-6 adjectives! It's twice as long as it needs to be. Paid by the word?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
8. False equivalency is a handy dandy way of avoiding having to defend your position.
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 08:34 AM
Jun 2017

And I've seen it on all sides, including here on DU.

rock

(13,218 posts)
13. Yes, the republicans are extremely reflexive
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 08:43 AM
Jun 2017

As per your examples. Also notice in particular, accusations against Hillary: of course the Clinton Foundation is a money laundering scheme because that's what I would do in her place.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
26. Where we fail is when we don't see that the debate is 100% partisan
Sun Jun 4, 2017, 10:04 AM
Jun 2017

Vote Democratic. Reject "conservative" blather. If we vote Democratic we win. If we go down the "conservative rabbit hole we lose.

KISS.

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