Bombshell intel leak reveals Russia cyber attack targeted voting software and election officials

[deminks]

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/bombshell-intel-leak-reveals-russia-cyber-attack-targeted-voting-software-and-election-officials/

According to a report at The Intercept, an internal document at the NSA shows that Russian military intelligence “executed a cyberattack on at least one U.S. voting software supplier and sent spear-phishing emails to more than 100 local election officials just days before last November’s presidential election.”

The Intercept notes the document is dated May 5, 2017, and states, “Russian General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate actors … executed cyber espionage operations against a named U.S. company in August 2016, evidently to obtain information on elections-related software and hardware solutions. … The actors likely used data obtained from that operation to … launch a voter registration-themed spear-phishing campaign targeting U.S. local government organizations.”

According to the Intercept, the Russian hackers “focused on parts of the system directly connected to the voter registration process, including a private sector manufacturer of devices that maintain and verify the voter rolls. Some of the company’s devices are advertised as having wireless internet and Bluetooth connectivity, which could have provided an ideal staging point for further malicious actions.”

The NSA notes that the attacks could have had an impact on voting tallies.

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Oops, there it is. If this is true, covfefe.

[awesomerwb1]

1. Wow

Pardon my ignorance, but are these reliable sources (The Intercept)?

[janterry]

8. see my post below

[L. Coyote]

43. "NSA notes that the attacks could have had an impact on voting tallies. "

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If Trump didn't lie and obstruct justice so much, the leaks would not be needed.

Reality Winner versus Reality Loser. Trump's Lies Revealed by Leak.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

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[defacto7]

81. Very reliable in some ways...

They've been pro wikileaks, pro Snoden and Greenwald but also have had a strong opinion that Russian hacking didn’t happen. I wonder how they feel now?

[War Is A Racket]

124. I Know One Thing

I finally got over my reluctance to comment given how upset the news makes me lately. The article here on the Russians developing a hypersonic missile that can avoid air defenses and nuke us should give everyone pause. I've been called a commie liberal for decades and told throughout the 80s to "love it or leave it" and "move to Russia" and now these same asshats are seemingly ok with Russia and dictatorships as long as their team materially benefits in office? These traitors are the ones who should move to Russia instead of telling us to get behind the country because Trump won. First off, the country isn't the government and Trump has a 32% approval rating, Trump lost the popular vote thus getting no mandate and for 8 years a tempered, thoughtful president was stymied, bullied and obstructed for 8 years with no republican getting behind him. REPUBLICAN=HYPOCRITE. It's the 11th commandment. BUT I noticed in the article about the hypersonic missile here there were a lot of in-depth comments about the technical aspects of this weaponry and as a scientist it was apparent to me way too many folks commenting here have a lot of updated, military and defense sophistication which worries me. Many military contractors do not like what is discussed here and hate liberal policy. I worry about sock puppet profiles managing online opinion and even worse trolling and starting arguments to divide progressives and centrists. I would seriously question anyone picking a fight by bringing up defense or surveillance related straw men as they could have another agenda and those elements have been hard at work ever since Bush's first term to divide us and push their jingoistic agenda.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

145. Isn't that crazy??!! WE went from being pinko commies to elitists and the Repubs went from

Elitists to pinko commies.

[War Is A Racket]

154. Karmic Wheel

There is always an equal and opposite reaction. That's why the infighting in the primary bothers me because there is always a equal and opposite reaction to anyone's behavior and contrary to what some people think no one is above it.

[still_one]

2. How reliable this is The Intercept?

[janterry]

7. The report is confirmed by CBS

Link to tweet

[still_one]

10. Thanks. Very interesting. Smoking gun?

[AntiFascist]

23. This needs more MSM coverage! n/t

[L. Coyote]

46. Mother Jones has an article too.

Link to tweet

[L. Coyote]

58. Salon: "Russia attempted to hack U.S. voting software days before election: NSA document"

Link to tweet

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[Volaris]

62. Intercept is the publication that Jeremy Scahill helped start.

[War Is A Racket]

121. It's Very Reliable IMO

Yes I have disagreed with them but they have very professional, in-depth reporting. Let's not forget most of us just comment on news aggregate sites and these people put their asses on the line threatening some very powerful, dangerous forces. Don't let our partisanship blind us just because we have butted heads with Glenn Greenwald. What about Jeremy Scahill? Yes there are many here with a vendetta against Snowden I assume just like every other establishment supporting site....we liked him when he exposed Bush but pulled back when Obama was in charge. Freedom, slavery, surveillance, oppression....these words shouldn't change depending on who's at the helm. I've been worried about hacked voting machines since Sen. Chusck Hagel won in an unpredictable landslide in 1998 when he just happened to be President of ES&S voting machines months earlier. The Bush Cabal caught notice and patched into voting tabulators and machines in 2000 and bigtime in Georgia in 2002 when bigot, warmonger and draft dodger Saxby Chambliss defeated triple amputee war hero Max Cleland in an election with 100% electronic voting machines. The naysayers say the machines aren't centrally connected but it's much more complicated than that especially with software updates worming in and just the voting tabulators aggregating all the voting machines is suspect because they are online. Oregon has the best system which is mail in ballots sent to everyone and signed. Counters are isolated and not wireless. You can claim your not connected to the web and just an infraweb but if you're still wireless then there is a weakness and they only needed to flip a minute number of votes. We need to be careful about revelations from The Palmer Report and other inside sources that could get stymied and never see the light of day (as with JFK things were accepted amongst reporters but never reported to the public because of the higher bar set), but The Intercept is well documented and footnoted and as thorough as they come.

[dalton99a]

3. There is a reason the French don't allow electronic voting

They know the Russians pretty well.

[njhoneybadger]

4. Well, cov-muthafuckin-fefe

[LOL Lib]

111. Lol!

Great response!

[democrank]

5. K & R

[LonePirate]

6. So this was a known (and failed?) attempt. What about unknown and/or successful attempts?

Why do I have the feeling there is a lot more to this story than what is being reported here?

[emulatorloo]

12. I've read several times on Du that the head of NSA is

Going to drop a "bombshell" on Wednesday.

Could get interesting.

[iluvtennis]

114. Agree. I'm sure there is more that we don't know and they don't want us to know.

[Cracklin Charlie]

9. Covfefe, indeed!

[enough]

11. Link to original Intercept article:

https://theintercept.com/2017/06/05/top-secret-nsa-report-details-russian-hacking-effort-days-before-2016-election/

[Cyrusvirus]

13. I'm not much into conspiracies...

but I know this is the real reason he won. No way he won PA WI and MI.

I never believed for a second he won from secret Trump voters that were too embarrassed to tell the truth to pollsters.

I almost think Conway was in on this because she came up with the laughable theory well before the election to cushion the suspicion of the surprising outcome.

[LonePirate]

19. If MI, PA and WI were tampered with, chances are high that FL and NC were as well.

[berksdem]

51. Not sure about PA

... Pennsyltucky was hardcore Trump...

[DeminPennswoods]

78. Exactly

nt

[BumRushDaShow]

88. I think Erie County was

They have touchscreen machines (although not the more notorious ones like Diebold) and they flipped to red for the first time in decades. In the past, they always voted blue with Allegheny County, Philadelphia County (and its burbs), and Lehigh County (and some parts of that NE PA area).

[Duppers]

96. As Michael Moore told us before the election.

Few were taking him seriously.

[disillusioned73]

142. lol, Still is..

these people are devoid of reality.. gave up on intelligent conversations long ago..

[iluvtennis]

115. FL for sure. Hillary lost a 400K+ lead in less than two minutes after results were advertised.

[Maraya1969]

34. +1,00000000 AND this is why we still have a GOP majority in the Senate and maybe the House

Remember they were all supposed to tumble back to the Dems? Or at least the House was?

All those damn seats were stolen and no one has even time to figure out which seats were stolen

[cilla4progress]

127. I too have thought this based on vote totals

Too implausible

What does Greg Palast's research have to say about this?

Will this be one of those, "where were you when you heard it?" stories?

[Nwgirl503]

35. Me either

Sounds like a dumb equation, but to me, his winning was like watching someone beat a straight flush by pulling a 1-outer and getting a royal. Not impossible, but hiiiiiiighly improbable.

[iluvtennis]

116. love that analogy...ur absolutely right about the look on his face on Nov 8th

[Greybnk48]

36. According to WI results, Ron Johnson made up

a 10 point deficit and beat Russ Feingold in the last two weeks of the election. No one I know believed that was legit, but what can we do?

[Justice]

41. I never will understand that one. Seemed so odd.

[dhill926]

89. yep....

[Native]

135. In light of Roger Stone's recent accusation that Walker & Co fixed at least 5 elections...

in Wisconsin, this wouldn't be surprising, right?

[kerry-is-my-prez]

147. Might as well move to another dictatorship where you really can't vote.

[BadgerMom]

40. I remember election night

It was sooo unbelievable. The fact that less than 80,000 votes won the electoral college was and is too much to put over on all of us. He's a Russian plant and a traitor.

[cilla4progress]

128. I basically collapsed

On election night. Guess it was a panic attack. Had people over - still haven't drunk the champagne! Went to bed in fetal position early and made hubby close down the party!

Still haven't cried. Still in panic mode, I guess.

[DangerousRhythm]

131. Re: Panic attack

I got physically ill when I saw Florida coming in. I knew pretty early on that it wasn't going well by the faces I was watching on TV, and the looks in their eyes. When it dawned on me that there was no way she was going to win because of Florida, I was so ill and I felt on the verge of hyperventilating, or maybe I even was. It's all a blur. I nearly passed out, which has never happened to me before as such a reaction to anything at all. Maybe the closest I could come to that was 9/11, and I feel weird saying that. My head was spinning and I felt like I was going to black out, so I had to turn off the TV and go to my bedroom. I was alternately numb and uncontrollably crying. I couldn't even talk, I was so upset. What a horrible night, and beyond. I couldn't shake the feeling that something had gone drastically wrong in the world, and that everything was upside down.

Fortunately, it didn't take me long to go from devastated to fight mode. I want to see these people perp walked... ALL of them.

[cilla4progress]

136. I know...

Woke up at 5:30 AM today hoping for the perp walk....

No such luck

[Madam45for2923]

44. + 1 million!

[Demsrule86]

95. Welcome to DU...that would explain the crazy numbers in WI, PA and Michigan.

It is not a conspiracy theory either.

[Achilleaze]

14. K and r

[TheFrenchRazor]

15. NO! it's not possible!!... oh wait, of course it's possible, and probable. nt

[orangecrush]

16. Kick

And rec.

[NRaleighLiberal]

17. as many of us has known since election night, this election was stolen.

[Alice11111]

21. ...in so many ways its almost impossible to identify.

[Control-Z]

28. Yes. We've all known.

The saddest part of all, to me, aside from the damage we will suffer because of it, is that noone will ever talk about restitution for Hillary and the country.

I'll probably get scolded and demeaned for writing such a thing. I should know better. This modern day crime isn't addressed in the Constitution.

[mhw]

39. "...that no one will ever talk about restitution for Hillary and the country"

We'll hear dead silence from everyone who played a role in silencing HRC, except for the millions of her supporters who considered their vote as sacred in 2016 as ever before.

If this is proven, everything Trump has done should be null & voided.
Sec Clinton should step in as President for the remainder of this 4 yr term & claim her rightful place.

Imagine the tough job of undoing so much damage to this country.
Hillary is one of the most respected & admired persons worlwide.
It would take someone of her character to restore faith in America among our questioning allies.

She would be the one person next to Obama, that has the creds & smarts to do so.

In all fairness to us & the world, this is what should happen.
Then she can stick Putin with some of the toughest sanctions in history.

*finger* to Putin

[Control-Z]

52. I agree with every last word.

Talking about it is strongly discouraged by a couple of folks here - to the point of intimidation. It makes me question the validity of their argument.

[mhw]

60. The ones who talk loudest against it reveal what they are.

We see them.

America will only emerge stronger & better when the atrocious blatent wrong has been made right.

Still Madam President ~ She deserves her rightful place as do the millions more votes of "the people"

"Equal Rights are Human Rights, are Women's Rights, are LGBT Rights, .." ~ HRC 1993

"Love trumps Hate" ~ HRC 2015

"Stronger Together" ~ HRC 2015

[Bernardo de La Paz]

63. The Republican Party must not be continually rewarded for theft of Electoral Coll. by appointing

The Republican Party must not be allowed to continually appoint successors as Republican President tRump and Republican VP Pence etc. are impeached in turn. To do so would reward them again and again for stealing the Electoral College.

Congress can make a law to control succession and elevate the winner of the Majority of the Popular Vote: Hillary Clinton.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Clause_6:_Vacancy_and_disability

Congress is unlikely to but it can. It might if the two brands of Republican and Trump are rightly tied together irrevocably, such that the twin brand becomes toxic for them in 2018 and 2020. They might move to salvage their own brand at the last minutes in advance of those elections.

Democrats must always refer to the "Republican President Trump" and the "Republican Party of Trump" or "Trump's Republican Party". The GOP has labored mightily for 40+ years with propaganda, dumbing-down the electorate, polarization, gerrymandering, and voter suppression. They had no shortage of candidates in 2016 and chose tRump.

[mhw]

68. + Thank you. An interesting read

[iluvtennis]

117. Yes, we need to #revote

[mhw]

120. #PaperBallots from here on.

There is absolutely no reason why we don't vote with paper.

End the purging of voters.


Countries who know what Putin is capable of turn to unhackable Paper Ballots.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/01/world/europe/netherlands-hacking-concerns-hand-count-ballots.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0&referer=https://t.co/XiVx3CllZ7

Good read. We are now wise like these countries are.
Paper, hand counted ballots are the only way to keep meddling Russia out of our nation's business.

[iluvtennis]

125. Agreed on paper ballots.

[cilla4progress]

129. Gorsuch too

Replaced by Merrick Garland

[mhw]

130. Indeed. Everything gets reversed. Every exec order he signed.

Every immigrant compensated & every family in pain from separation, returned together.

What has been done to this country cannot be left to stand in history.
It is appalling how people have been treated by Trump & by those who looked the other way.

[SCantiGOP]

140. That's probably going to happen

[mhw]

143. That's what SHOULD happen

Will it?
Nope

[Cadfael]

18. K & R nt

[vkkv]

20. Trump LOVES Russia.

He publicly INVITED Russia to HACK his opponent...

[pnwmom]

22. Here is a better link. The Raw Story one doesn't work.

https://theintercept.com/2017/06/05/top-secret-nsa-report-details-russian-hacking-effort-days-before-2016-election/

[Dream Girl]

24. Where is Lady Bug? She has been on this from the beginning...of course I think we all knew this. nt

[Kleveland]

25. Electoral College phooey!.... should be Electoral Calamity!

They obviously did not do their constitutional duty to this country!

In my mind, they betrayed the US voters. That makes them all complicit as well. They should be ashamed!

Cov-muthafuckin-efefe indeed!!

Should be an interesting week.

I may need a new bottle of Tequila!

[pangaia]

56. I could recommend,CASAMIGOS-100% Anejo Agave from Jalisco

[Kleveland]

101. Anejo is my favorite type, by far!

I think I may have had Casamigos.. not sure. Would know if I saw the bottle... will look.

I have tried MANY. Selection is limited in Ohio.

Big fan of Chinaco. (Have to mail order that)

My go to "cheap" is Sauza Black Barrel Anejo... really really great stuff for the money.

Been trying to explore Mezcals, hard to find! Interesting history.

http://mezcalphd.com/2012/08/tequila-vs-mezcal/

Cheers!

[pangaia]

107. There is an excellent Mexican place in my small town.

No idea why here, but..
Owner is from Jalisco,, great chef AND, the have as tequila bar with maybe 100 or so tequilas, many small batch types..

I am NOT any kind of tequila expert....

You should be able to get Patron.... pretty commonly available...

[Blue_Tires]

26. The Snowden crowd ain't gonna like this...

And everyone on DU needs to be suspicious as hell about this story running in the Intercept of all places...

[YoungDemCA]

86. Why do we need to be "suspicious as hell?" about The Intercept?

[Blue_Tires]

134. Because they're Hillary-hating Putinist tools?

Because Glenn Greenwald of all people has long maintained there still isn't any "proof" that Moscow hacked the DNC?

Because a leaker taking this to the Intercept is like somebody with explosive dirt on Trump going to Breitbart or Drudge?

How many more reasons you want?

[GoCubsGo]

27. To me, even if this is true, it's no "bombshell."

Nothing will surprise me, regardless of what winds up getting revealed. I would not put anything past Putin, Donnie Doll Hands, or any republican. Not a thing.

[YCHDT]

33. Especially when their dumb asses have stood behind him like this so far !!!

[Mr. Ected]

29. And the Constitutional remedy is.....

There is no constitutional remedy.

Without a remedy, this is a crime without a punishment. We the People will suffer through at least 3.5 more years of Republican rule because an adversary manipulated our election process, the Republican Party conspired to assist, and the Founding Fathers could have never foreseen such gross malfeasance in a country where democracy and freedom are purportedly our bedrock principles.

Sure, we can try to prevent this from happening again in the future, but it is a damned shame that the cheaters can't be thrown in prison and the duly-elected President of the United States, Hillary Rodham Clinton, be sworn in.

Of course, this doesn't even speak to the down-ticket races that were also compromised.

I'm sick to my stomach.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

72. Actually, there are at least three.

They all depend on the Republicons realizing just how toxic Trump is becoming for 2018 and 2020. This will be advanced by Democrats unifying the Trump and Republican brands, which is right as it should be. He is the Republican President Trump and they are Trump's Republican Party.

When Republican Pres. Trump becomes toxic enough, the three remedies are:

1) Impeachment

2) The Republican controlled Congress can declare Republican Pres. Trump unable to competently carry out his duties due to ill-health or dementia or similar excuses (which will have substantial truth).

3) By Article II, Clause 6 of the Constitution, the Congress can make a law for succession by other means and on other grounds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Clause_6:_Vacancy_and_disability

[Mr. Ected]

93. Yes, but all 3 paths lead through Congress

Please tell me one reason that you honestly believe that the crooks in the GOP will ever find Trump too toxic for their agenda.

I don't see it. Sorry. I wish I did.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

99. If Democratics tie them to toxic Republican Pres Trump well enough to damage 2018 & 2020 chances. nt

[SCantiGOP]

141. Correct, and if they did

They would put Pence, Ryan, etc etc in charge

[KewlKat]

30. could have impact vote tallies......what we've all felt for

Some time. I'll have to read this when I get home.

[musette_sf]

31. K&R

[kimbutgar]

32. And is it possible that the GOP knew this and made sure they won the Senate?

I was always suspious over Ron Johnson winning Wisconsin when he had such low approval ratings.

[mhw]

47. Yes. That's why McConnel did all he could to keep Garland from the SC.

He knew back then that the election was being fixed for the GOP.
He stalled Garland with every sleazy tactic he could think of.
McConnel knew it back then.

A lot of them knew it.

[renate]

77. I think that's really the only reasonable explanation for his stalling

It's not as though Garland was some left-wing firebrand. He was more acceptable to the GOP than anybody Hillary was likely to nominate. There was no reason for McConnell not to go with the devil he knew unless he'd been promised a Trump win.

[GeorgeGist]

37. Trump said the election was rigged.

He knew. And couldn't resist trolling it.

[Nevernose]

45. I honestly don't think he was trolling

I think it's part of his insanity. Trump is the king of projection. If he says the election was rigged, then it was, except by him.

When he said that he wasn't a puppet and that Clinton was, to me it seemed like was confessing.

It's not trolling. He really is that crazy and that stupid.

[Rollo]

112. Yup, true, right on down the line.

[iluvtennis]

118. Yep, that's the truth there. Dumpty is a master at transferring things attributable to him to others

[Amaryllis]

38. This is not new. It was even in MSM before election:

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/2017/01/23/russians-suspected-hacking-local-dems/96965824/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/01/24/russians-suspected-hacking-wisconsin-dems/97023222/

http://crooksandliars.com/2017/01/according-declassified-report-russians

http://fortune.com/2016/10/01/hackers-targeted-election-systems/

http://abcnews.go.com/US/russian-hackers-targeted-half-states-voter-registration-systems/story?id=42435822

[deurbano]

53. I don't understand the difference (don't have time to read the whole thing right now),

but this time, according to the report, NSA is saying this interference could have affected voting tallies.

From your Crooks and Liars link:

<<However, they also conclude that "DHS assesses that the types of systems we observed Russian actors targeting or compromising were not involved in vote tallying."

That leaves a whole lot of other issues unsaid. Like, for example, whether any tampering with the databases could have dropped certain voters off the rolls ahead of election day. Or whether the voter information they obtained was used to build databases at a corporate operation like Cambridge Analytica, which was heavily involved in voter microtargeting activities.>>

From Raw Story (originally Intercept) OP report:

<<The NSA notes that the attacks could have had an impact on voting tallies.>>

[Amaryllis]

74. I guess it depends on how you define vote tallying. Obama said it didnt affect that but I never

believed it. As I've said a bunch of times, they didn't do all that hacking just to prove they could and stop there.
And there could be more info now than when that article was written. My point was that there has been a lot that has already come out on all this Russia/vote stuff and it goes well beyond hacking the DNC.

[deurbano]

80. Oh yeah, agree with that.

[dragonlady]

83. Registration tampering can affect vote tallies

If your registration is erased from the database in a state that requires registration before election day, you can't vote and that will mean your candidate gets one less vote. Even a state like Wisconsin that has same-day registration could be affected. You have to show a proof of residence from a list of approved types, and if you can't find one that day, you can't vote.

[Amaryllis]

103. And even MSM reported widespread hacking into voter reg databases by Russia several

months before the election.

[malaise]

42. They stole the elections

Truth will out

[suffragette]

144. Yup. The question is who in power will finally acknowledge this given that it might be difficult

Or impossible to determine the full extent of the tampering.

The hard part is that the people who were elected are the same people who would need to investigate this, knowing that it could call into question their own election as well as the full system we currently have. The party in power has the most to lose in this scenario (which would be true no matter which party is in power) and so would be reluctant to call into question the process and outcome that benefited them.

It feels like we may finally be reaching the tipping point where some might be willing to do this. I hope so.

[Mountain Mule]

48. K & R!

[Dustlawyer]

49. Stephen Spoonamore, a Republican, is an expert in electronic vote and credit card hacking.

He testified in the hacked Ohio election that went from Kerry to Bush.

He has warned that our electronic voting system is a joke. He has claimed that with $2 million someone could change the outcome in a Presidential election. With all of what they spend in a Presidential election, why wouldn't they?

http://www.alternet.org/story/99337/how_the_gop_wired_ohio's_2004_vote_count_for_bush_to_win

[MedusaX]

50. Of course *45 & KGOP knew... Hell, Sechin (Rosneft) knew in June ... also why *45 so sensitive about

Legitimacy issues

And why he said to a group "Next time we will win the old fashioned way"

And likely why Vlad decided this was the time to blame hacking on
Unknown Patriotically motivated Russian citizens ...


And likely why *45 was in such a hurry to stack the SCOTUS.... so no worries about do-overs

Afterall....
The Electoral College reflects an all/none point allocation based pretty much solely on the Majority VOTE TALLY of each state....
So if those TALLY #'s are not accurate
Then the Electoral College results are based on false data
And
One could argue that the entire process
beginning from election day & going forward is invalid as a result.

Who knows......

[lark]

54. Wonder if this is why some WI disctricts had more Repug votes and voters in county?

Read something the other day that 90 machines were verified to have reported inaccurate totals and 534 had been marked as having deviations, but no verified inaccuracy (yet).

[Ms. Toad]

69. Different systems.

This was an intrustion to the voter registration system, not the vote tallying system.

[putitinD]

76. Remember Detroit? 300+ precincts could not be counted, because the numbers didn't match up.

[iluvtennis]

119. And over 15 vote county machines in Detroit/surrounding areas breaking down on election night..hooey

[putitinD]

133. Detroit has enough Democratic votes in it to carry Michigan for the Democrats, as it has reliably

the last several decades. I still think the Russians had a hand in Delivering Michigan to Trump!

[bucolic_frolic]

55. Reports the probability of Trump winning those 3 states and several counties

were very low, something like .16% ... is that what I read?

We've heard of vote-flipping for years, feared the manufacturers and software companies
and tech gurus, then cell phone flippers ...

Here it is ... this is the method ...

Hope they prove it.

[ananda]

57. It's always been obvious to some of us.

Why do you think 45 and co. worked so hard
to prevent complete hand recounts in those
swing states????

[L. Coyote]

59. It certainly is staring us in the face.

I expect the Green Party pointed to the wrong states to help cover up for their pal Putin though.

[Ms. Toad]

67. This has nothing directly do with the vote tallies.

The article & caption are poorly worded - the intrusion was to voter registration software, not voting machines or vote tallying devices.

According to the Intercept, the Russian hackers “focused on parts of the system directly connected to the ***voter registration process***, including a private sector manufacturer of devices that maintain and verify the voter rolls. Some of the company’s devices are advertised as having wireless internet and Bluetooth connectivity, which could have provided an ideal staging point for further malicious actions.”

If people are prevented from voting, a recount of those permitted to vote will show exactly the same thing the the original count did. (All that means is that Clinton voters were kept from the polls by bein purged, etc.)

[sandensea]

61. I had a post or two hidden for suggesting the very thing.

How many more shoes have to drop for people to understand that Putin's people took full advantage of our ridiculously vulnerable, read-and-write software powered voting systems in use in so many states (another legacy of Dubya's, who knows better than anyone just how far electoral fraud can get you).

They didn't just influence or impact the election, they flat out stole it.

[mhw]

73. + a million.

I'm with you.

That's what is most pathetic. The level of disrespect for country in flat out stealing it..their arrogance in giving America the middle finger while their intent was to steal it bare.

S.o.b's.

[sandensea]

102. Thanks.

If only we had a Congress who actually put country first - wither the thought! - instead of circling the wagons around this thieving despot.

[mhw]

110. Yes sandensea, A tragedy.

Well said my friend

[Goodheart]

64. MSNBC - Greta van Susteren just led off with this story!

[mhw]

70. WOW! Not watching her show but its at least a start anyway.

Hmmm.
Thanks for the heads up..

[Portland_Anni]

65. Change the current voting system...

... Make it secure at a level this can never, ever happen again. The only ones in this I loath worse than the Russians is their willing dupe of a traitor, Donald Trump, who out did Benedict Arnold.

[onecent]

71. Yes, I' am your side....CHANGE THE INSECURE LEVEL SO THIS WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN!!

[Portland_Anni]

82. You know, this sabotage just fits in logically...

... I mean, this perp in the White House has no vision at high priority except the drive to revengefully destroy Obama's legacy and self gain. If he is proven a traitor a firing squad isn't punishment enough, but I would settle for seeing that made so.

[underthematrix]

66. I said this months before that what was being classified was

the fact that voting machines were hacked and the results are fraudulent. In a way, this makes me feel better to know most white folks did not vote for a mentally unstable ignorant incompetent asshole.

It also means HRC won PA, WI, MI, OH, FL and NC. I also guesstimate 27 House Republicans and 7 Senate Republicans obtained their seats with fraudulent election results. I think this specifically includes Marco Rubio.

[McCamy Taylor]

75. Gun meet smoke

[BigmanPigman]

79. They're covering it on CNN right now (3:30 Pacific Time).

[sarah FAILIN]

84. I've said this from day 1, all they had to get was the programmer

They don't have to hack every machine.

We are going to be stuck in this hell because we can't get access to those machines to get the software and prove it.

[coeur_de_lion]

85. Oh my covfefe

She performed a public service if this is true.

[The_jackalope]

87. The leaker has been arrested.

On the same day as the leak was published. Given the LE response, the leak seems to be as real as it gets.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/breaking-doj-charges-federal-contractor-with-leaking-classified-materials-to-news-outlet/

According to a DOJ release, 25-year-old Reality Leigh Winner is being charged with removing classified material from a government facility and mailing it to a news outlet.

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein commented on Winner’s arrest.

“Exceptional law enforcement efforts allowed us quickly to identify and arrest the defendant,” Rosenstein said. “Releasing classified material without authorization threatens our nation’s security and undermines public faith in government. People who are trusted with classified information and pledge to protect it must be held accountable when they violate that obligation.”

NBC News is reporting that the document Winner is alleged to have leaked was published by The Intercept on Monday. It was a top-secret NSA report which found that Russia tried to hack into voting machines in the days leading up to the 2016 election.

[CentralMass]

90. Our government undermines public faith in government.

[FailureToCommunicate]

105. They're charging her ten years in the pen!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9163749

[Tarc]

138. Hopefully she can hold out til 2021

When either President Kamala Harris or President Corey Booker can issue her a pardon.

[DFW]

91. The big question we have been asking ourselves for over 16 years

IF definitive proof of election tampering has taken place, and proven to have been extensive enough to fraudulently alter the result, WHO, if anyone, has the authority to nullify the election result and order a new one?

Obviously not the Congress that was supposedly "voted" in.

The FEC?

My bet is nobody, because cyber tampering and rigging of electronic vote-tallying machines by a foreign power was not something that even our far-sighted framers ever envisioned the country ever having to deal with. The Republicans aren't going to do anything but provide roadblocks. After all, it got them the presidency three out of the last five times, and Congress even more than that. They are not going to bite the hand that swore them in.

[CentralMass]

92. The people do if and when they have had enough.

[jimlup]

94. This is something I have long suspected but have had no evidence for...

I hope statisticians are honestly looking at the results. I think something very fishy happened on the evening of November 8th.

The mainstream will likely choose to bury their heads in the sand because admitting that there is evidence of a far darker hack than previously suspected throws the whole democracy into question. Thus they will remain with heads comfortably buried singing "La La La ..."

[LenaBaby61]

97. Like I always say ....

Even if Dems or Indy's turn out in record numbers to vote, HOW in hell are we going to vote thuglicans out of office in 2018 (Don't even mention 2020) when our voting machines can EASILY be compromised, hacked are old & vulnerable?

We Dems will be GOP voter-suppressed on 'roids in 2018, and we know the ruskies WILL be interfering again (Per Clint Watts, they never STOPPED), and THIS rotten ass DOJ lead by beauguard won't do a damn thing to stop the GOP even if he's given evidence of voter-suppression. Back to the ruskies, they got their "official" invite to interfere with Dem elections when that treasonous, filthy, fat, mentally-deteriorating POS tRumputin called on russia to find Hillary's missing emails last July 2016.

We have SERIOUS voting issues on our hands, and I'll be the first to admit that I haven't a CLUE as to what we do & how we fix them ahead of 2018 & 2020 with thuglicans, tRumputin and the ruskies all running our DOJ.

[Honeycombe8]

106. Exactly. nt

[kerry-is-my-prez]

146. We are like the citizens of Russia, etc. who can only look on while those in power continue to "fix"

the elections. How are we really that much different when it comes to elections?

[Scurrilous]

98. K&R

[Takket]

100. the citizens of this country need to DEMAND..........

1. elimination of the electoral college (makes it too easy to change and election by only swinging a few votes in large EV states)

2. elimination of electronic voting machines. hand counted paper ballots. raise my taxes to pay for the labor to count them if you must

3. a constitutional provision to allow for new elections when an election is shown to be overwhelmingly corrupt and a method to suspend nonessential activities of the president until the new election is held

[TheFrenchRazor]

123. agreed on all three. nt

[wildeyed]

104. I thought we knew this already.

They hacked a few voter registration systems. Those are separate from the actual voting machines and tally systems. It's definitely something to worry about. They could vandalize the registration systems on election day and cause huge chaos. But they didn't.

I always wonder if they used the registration data in concert with their propaganda push, but you can get that info legally, so that doesn't make sense.

[brooklynite]

108. Several analysts have been clear that this DID NOT INVOLVE HACKING VOTING MACHINES...

[TheFrenchRazor]

122. proving a negative is hard, especially when there is zero evidence to support these analysts. nt

[BootinUp]

109. The intercept? Sigh.

[wishstar]

113. Definitively states Russian General Staff Main Military Intelligence Directorate actors responsible

Shooting down those who have been denying and downplaying the Russian involvement.

Whole situation is very damning knowing how WH has been determined to rescind sanctions and give Russians back their diplomatic headquarters in spite of NSA having proof of Russian's attempts to interfere.

The whistleblower must have been frustrated and concerned that with all the Repub right wing spin and denials, nothing would be done and Russians would be able to succeed in future elections, but instead they are focusing on leakers. Ironic that she would be the first leaker facing punishment but fact she got caught could bring more attention to the NSA info that she leaked.

[burrowowl]

126. PAPER BALLOTS!

DAMN IT!

[SHRED]

132. We have a victim here you all are ignoring

Reality Winner.

The Intercept threw her under the bus.

[Botany]

137. "The NSA notes that the attacks could have had an impact on voting tallies."

So Russia was spear phishing election oficials, hacking computers to obtain voter lists*,
and now they have been caught trying to gain information on voting software and hardware
systems but now we are supposed to believe that these acts didn't effect the outcome of
the election?


* https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/01/24/russians-suspected-hacking-wisconsin-dems/97023222/

[spanone]

139. KKKKKKK & RRRRRRR....

[workinclasszero]

148. An act of war against the USA by Putin's

Russia.

Aided and abetted by the traitorous Republican Party and the right wing in this country.


"The NSA notes that the attacks could have had an impact on voting tallies."

[Javaman]

149. if true, would this not constitute an act of war? nt

[kyburbonkid]

150. One more piece of a well coordinated multi pronged attack

You have the fake news, the trolling of social medias, the email hacks and email dumps, and in the last month of the election we now know there was full blown hack on the electoral system. This is massive. With all of the Russian links back to Trump's circle how could this not be coordinated? How could the GOP leadership not be involved? KGOP is now sounding like such a fitting title for them.

[SusanaMontana41]

151. My, my

"The most concerning scenario would be actual evidence that the Russians somehow hacked state voting machines, and manipulated the outcomes."


http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/05/30/did-russia-interfere-with-our-election-yes-did-it-elect-trump-absolutely-not.html

[disalitervisum]

152. Reality Winner--It's right in front of our faces

She's being given a cover for her contribution.

Speaks three rare languages, a previous intel operative in the Air Force.

Didn't cover her tracks to the Intercept (lol)

She's a contractor, not NSA. I guess they want her.

[Rene]

153. the actual harm is done where votes are tallied

I support distributed scheduling of batch on servers; we have a prod vs dr technique that probably was used for vote total flipping. Thru using a virtual name for two servers and a switch script...batch vote counting can start executing a script on one server...be switched to another server/script....and then revert to the original.
Anyone watching the screen would not even notice what happened in the background. I think this was used in 1999 with the Bush/Gore tally......and more and more since in various states. Would love to discuss this technique/election hijack, with any concerned election rep.

[triron]

155. most interesting!