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brettdale

(12,381 posts)
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 09:51 PM Jun 2017

Louise Mensch Rick Rolling Dems again

her Latest tweet

Louise Mensch?Verified account @LouiseMensch 55m55 minutes ago

Louise Mensch Retweeted Greg Palast

Prepare for Trump and Pence to have their election voided. Hear me on this . It is coming.

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Louise Mensch Rick Rolling Dems again (Original Post) brettdale Jun 2017 OP
Oh Sweet Jesus jberryhill Jun 2017 #1
It's in Article IV of the Constitution... HopeAgain Jun 2017 #4
Here's Article IV. Nothing about "voiding" elections. Try again. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #12
You didn't read ALL of it Brother Buzz Jun 2017 #43
It's written on the BACK of Article VI jberryhill Jun 2017 #44
Oh, where it says "electoral college null and void" Hortensis Jun 2017 #69
I forgot my "sarcasm" smilie HopeAgain Jun 2017 #98
Mine, too. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #101
It's there. In invisible ink. You have to put it over the toaster salin Jun 2017 #119
try this one Break time Jun 2017 #126
5. You're a Russian bot. SaschaHM Jun 2017 #18
Here she goes again. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #2
And yet I feel myself being drawn in... alwaysinflux Jun 2017 #14
I visualize her having a good laugh with her confidants who are in on the troll. m-lekktor Jun 2017 #30
This Charlotte Little Jun 2017 #48
She is quite popular here. m-lekktor Jun 2017 #50
I don't believe things that seem too good to be true, especially if The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #57
LOL, yeah that could do it. m-lekktor Jun 2017 #63
If you knew me in person... Charlotte Little Jun 2017 #124
Lauferlaw - Louise might be right on sealed indictments in EDVA womanofthehills Jun 2017 #66
And we should believe "Matt" ... why? The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #67
Because slip and fall lawyers like "Matt" are experts, doncha know... onenote Jun 2017 #79
But what if he had a case involving an elevator accident The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #81
You seem concerned this evening. nt Persisted Jun 2017 #3
She's out of control LibraLiz1973 Jun 2017 #5
in earnest bigtree Jun 2017 #6
Surly her partner in crime Claude Taylor brettdale Jun 2017 #8
The criminal is Donald Trump. Kingofalldems Jun 2017 #13
And don't call her Shirley. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #61
haha brettdale Jun 2017 #62
OhFerKrissakes Stinky The Clown Jun 2017 #7
Trump and Pence have already resigned in secret - we just don't know it dalton99a Jun 2017 #9
That's not even Trump/Pence any longer FBaggins Jun 2017 #121
This message was self-deleted by its author MiddleClass Jun 2017 #10
Does constitution has any clause once electoral colleage has voted? MyNameIsKhan Jun 2017 #11
Spoiler! stillsoleft Jun 2017 #23
Welcome to D, stillsoleft! calimary Jun 2017 #33
I'd say he made Bush endearing stillsoleft Jun 2017 #120
watch it...the season has more twist and turns MyNameIsKhan Jun 2017 #37
Batshit. demmiblue Jun 2017 #15
lol melman Jun 2017 #16
Trump and Pence are having their election voided Not Ruth Jun 2017 #93
What? melman Jun 2017 #112
Would she then not say that Trump is being impeached? Not Ruth Jun 2017 #113
By "she" I mean Louise Mensch Not Ruth Jun 2017 #116
Okay then melman Jun 2017 #117
Can you translate this into news? The detail is incredible. Unlike the "he" vagueness referenced. Not Ruth Jun 2017 #122
Do catfishing, GLOMAR and investigation supercede indictment and impeachment? Not Ruth Jun 2017 #123
It's coming sarisataka Jun 2017 #17
Believe me. Glimmer of Hope Jun 2017 #19
Could it be? Yes, it could! Something's coming, something good! The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #20
You really missed an opportunity. WinkyDink Jun 2017 #60
Louise who? Dem2 Jun 2017 #21
Being found guilty through the impeachment process is a means to void the election tirebiter Jun 2017 #22
Then why not just say they are going to be impeached? The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #24
According her it's already happening melman Jun 2017 #31
Somehow I think the WaPo or the NYT might have picked up on that. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #39
I know melman Jun 2017 #40
Except that Texas Representative Green issued articles of impeachment last month. LaydeeBug Jun 2017 #85
Rep. Green has not issued articles of impeachment, he only called for it. tammywammy Jun 2017 #92
Giving a speech is not the same as introducing a resolution. It's just a speech. onenote Jun 2017 #96
She has said "impeached" over and over and over. pnwmom Jun 2017 #32
So she meant to say HarmonyRockets Jun 2017 #35
No it's not 'twitter shorthand' melman Jun 2017 #36
Maybe we should cut Louise a little slack. She's British, so she probably never The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #41
it's so facepalm worthy I swear. JHan Jun 2017 #47
I'm sorry, but that's just plain silly jberryhill Jun 2017 #49
Of course. I should have added this: The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #55
you are correct, using the word voided saves three letters snooper2 Jun 2017 #100
The marshal of the Supreme Court writes VOID on the election results, right? Demit Jun 2017 #25
No way ! It is a stamp . It is not written , they stamp the election results VOID in red ink lunasun Jun 2017 #53
I thought they used one of those embosser things The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #56
The red ribbon has also been spotted and is ready to go lunasun Jun 2017 #58
When they really want to void something, they use the "null and void" stamp. onenote Jun 2017 #74
mainly because half the people i was with believed it until I explained the situation to them JTFrog Jun 2017 #26
Alexander Haig will be in charge. klook Jun 2017 #27
LOL Al was a little hazy on that whole "line of succession" thing too. Demit Jun 2017 #42
LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!1111 jpak Jun 2017 #91
Cool! Am going to her thread now! Thanks for reminding me. Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #28
She's confident that he will be impeached and convicted -- she's said that repeatedly. pnwmom Jun 2017 #29
Green didn't say when he would file a privileged resolution because he probably won't onenote Jun 2017 #45
"Hear" her, Pnw. She has spoken, and not about impeachment. Hortensis Jun 2017 #70
And a couple posts before that one she used the word impeachment. pnwmom Jun 2017 #73
If you want to consider her information for possible Hortensis Jun 2017 #77
I take everything I read with a grain of salt, remembering that the NYTimes pnwmom Jun 2017 #78
Sure. She and a couple thousand others, on those Hortensis Jun 2017 #80
The big risk soon after DT took office was people giving up and DT being normalized pnwmom Jun 2017 #83
You've been very courteous as I denigrated what's-her-name, Hortensis Jun 2017 #84
Thanks, Hortensis. pnwmom Jun 2017 #86
Yep jberryhill Jun 2017 #104
she's retweeting a post by a guy who wears a funny hat Ellipsis Jun 2017 #34
But this tweet has a lot of caps ProudLib72 Jun 2017 #38
The only explanation I can come up with is that Mensch is a performance artist onenote Jun 2017 #46
Or a troll. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #59
The Marshal of the Supreme Court will void the election in 24 business hours. tritsofme Jun 2017 #51
PS, Remember to change that to 48 business hours tomorrow. FSogol Jun 2017 #94
Jese Christ on a pogo stick, THERE IS NO CONSTITUTIONAL WAY TO VOID RPESIDENTIAL ELECTION!!!!!! Foamfollower Jun 2017 #52
Jeez, Louise! (It IS fun to imagine, though!) WinkyDink Jun 2017 #54
More fun - Colbert calls for a "new election" womanofthehills Jun 2017 #68
Let's nail that Trump coffin! WinkyDink Jun 2017 #71
As usual, no evidence flyingfysh Jun 2017 #64
Evidence? We don't need no steenkeeng evidence! The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #65
If people can't see how FOS she is after this one, JenniferJuniper Jun 2017 #72
Well, the other stuff is more or less panning out as predicted ucrdem Jun 2017 #75
She's as delusional as trump is nini Jun 2017 #76
I don't think she's delusional; I think she's trolling. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #82
You're right nini Jun 2017 #106
I've kept quiet on this, but this woman is playing with people's emotions. Stand and Fight Jun 2017 #87
This decided it for me... Stand and Fight Jun 2017 #88
A conspiracy theory... Whiskeytide Jun 2017 #89
How very incorrect. That photo was taken in July, not in November after the election. pnwmom Jun 2017 #103
Luv' ya' pnwmom, and ... Whiskeytide Jun 2017 #118
Then you were just duped by Milo. That isn't even a photo of the venue pnwmom Jun 2017 #102
Then we'll have to agree to disagree. Peace be with you. Stand and Fight Jun 2017 #110
This is a question of fact, not of opinion. And the fact is that that photo pnwmom Jun 2017 #111
Thanks. I am aware of this. It is a matter of opinion as to whether she is trustworthy. Stand and Fight Jun 2017 #115
Oh my nini Jun 2017 #105
Many Dems have mistakenly put hope in attention-seeker sensationalist Palast too wishstar Jun 2017 #90
Yep.. I caught on to him longgggggggggggg ago nini Jun 2017 #107
Is there any particular reason leftynyc Jun 2017 #95
Um... Isn't your issue with Palast in that case? Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #97
I can't believe that people still defend this shite! SecularMotion Jun 2017 #99
i think she is right but it will never come out okieinpain Jun 2017 #108
As an idiot, I make myself feel smarter LanternWaste Jun 2017 #109
Oh here we go...go away Louise! Puh-lease! titaniumsalute Jun 2017 #114
Now she is attacking Mike Farb's work at Unhack the Vote eom DrivingOnThe Left Jun 2017 #125
I seriously just... Kahuna7 Jun 2017 #127
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
1. Oh Sweet Jesus
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 09:56 PM
Jun 2017

Let me provide the explanations:

1. This is "raw intel"

2. She's not a lawyer, and so she gets the legal details wrong. Habitually.

3. You are a Russian troll.

4. I want to believe it, so it's true.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
4. It's in Article IV of the Constitution...
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 10:01 PM
Jun 2017

The process for "voiding" an election, look it up.

Maybe she drinks?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
12. Here's Article IV. Nothing about "voiding" elections. Try again.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 10:05 PM
Jun 2017

Section 1.

Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.

Section 2.

The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states.

A person charged in any state with treason, felony, or other crime, who shall flee from justice, and be found in another state, shall on demand of the executive authority of the state from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the state having jurisdiction of the crime.

No person held to service or labor in one state, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due.

Section 3.

New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress.

The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful rules and regulations respecting the territory or other property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to prejudice any claims of the United States, or of any particular state.

Section 4.

The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
69. Oh, where it says "electoral college null and void"
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 12:37 AM
Jun 2017

in ball-pen ink? Well, who could argue with that?

?1485129601

salin

(48,955 posts)
119. It's there. In invisible ink. You have to put it over the toaster
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 06:03 PM
Jun 2017

while it is toasting, and then you can see it. Just like the Founding Fathers meant it to be. *snicker.*

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
2. Here she goes again.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 10:00 PM
Jun 2017

She's getting worse. I haven't decided yet whether she really thinks she's getting "real" information and thinks of herself as an actual journalist, or if she's intentionally trolling, either for the purpose of wreaking mischief, or just for the fun of it. This is the most ridiculous bit of "news" yet.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
30. I visualize her having a good laugh with her confidants who are in on the troll.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 10:45 PM
Jun 2017

"hey milo, lets see if I can get gullible liberals to believe some bullshit. watch this"

Of course I could be wrong and she is just actually crazy.

Charlotte Little

(658 posts)
48. This
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 11:40 PM
Jun 2017

x 2,000 million billion...

I was soaking all in her Kool-Aid Jacuzzi until I got hit in the head by a reality hammer. I have an indent in my forehead now, but it was worth it to get out of the Mensch stench tub.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
50. She is quite popular here.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 11:50 PM
Jun 2017

People will imply things about you if you criticize her. The owner of this site has even commented negatively about her in several threads though.

I have always been a conspiracy skeptic especially if it favors my views. other people are the opposite. I just never believe things that seem too good to be true!

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
57. I don't believe things that seem too good to be true, especially if
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 12:06 AM
Jun 2017

they are proclaimed incoherently, using terminology that is wrong and describing events that can't possibly have occurred.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
63. LOL, yeah that could do it.
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 12:17 AM
Jun 2017

I don't pay attention to her tweets. I read a few at first then I googled her! :shudder:

Charlotte Little

(658 posts)
124. If you knew me in person...
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 02:08 PM
Jun 2017

...you'd know that I could care less about what is implied about me.

The Louise fan club members need to pull their heads out of their asses.

onenote

(42,703 posts)
79. Because slip and fall lawyers like "Matt" are experts, doncha know...
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 01:25 AM
Jun 2017

Yep. A New York City lawyer with a two person practice that includes "elevator accidents" is going to be on top of what's happening in the Eastern District of Virginia.
http://www.lauferlawgroup.com/about.html

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
81. But what if he had a case involving an elevator accident
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 01:32 AM
Jun 2017

venued in E.D. Va.? If he could get diversity jurisdiction it would be possible. Then obviously he'd know all about what's happening there because he'd be hanging around the courthouse, maybe catching scraps of conversations he could tweet immediately to Louise. He might hear the words "grand jury" or "indictment" just as an elevator door closed and cut him off from the rest of the conversation, but, hey, wouldn't that meant he'd heard something from a source "close to the Eastern District of Virginia"?

FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
121. That's not even Trump/Pence any longer
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 12:02 PM
Jun 2017

Clinton is already President (secretly). These body-double actors are just standing in for Trump/Pence until the rest of the crime syndicate can be arrested. All of this is confirmed by multiple sources.

Response to brettdale (Original post)

MyNameIsKhan

(2,205 posts)
11. Does constitution has any clause once electoral colleage has voted?
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 10:05 PM
Jun 2017

Even in house of cards, revote was held as electors were not ready to vote.

calimary

(81,267 posts)
33. Welcome to D, stillsoleft!
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 10:48 PM
Jun 2017

It's really kinda nuts. Lawrence O'Donnell led with "This Is Watergate." Because of all the reports about trump trying to get others to sit on James Comey so he'd stop investigating.

My head is spinning. I remember the original Watergate. That was pretty jaw-dropping, too. But Nixon never tried to get into bed with the Russians.

I NEVER EVER thought I'd find myself saying this is making Nixon look like a kid who stole some extra desserts on the lunch line. Hell, I've actually removed bush/cheney from the top of my worst-president list. trump out-ranks them all. And he's not even through his first year yet. Let's hope he doesn't last into a second year. He's a public menace - now, on a global basis.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
93. Trump and Pence are having their election voided
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 07:33 AM
Jun 2017

But no mention of Trump and Pence being impeached, only that "he" is being impeached. "He" could mean anyone.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
112. What?
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 01:27 PM
Jun 2017

No it couldn't mean anyone. Look at the tweet she's responding to. Just click it, it's right there.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
113. Would she then not say that Trump is being impeached?
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 01:30 PM
Jun 2017

She specifically chose to use the word "he".

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
116. By "she" I mean Louise Mensch
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 01:47 PM
Jun 2017

Though "she" could potentially have meant half of the world's population

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
122. Can you translate this into news? The detail is incredible. Unlike the "he" vagueness referenced.
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 05:13 AM
Jun 2017

Exclusive: Sources familiar with James Comey’s thinking say that today’s explosive testimony was planned in advance as part of the counterintelligence operation against Russia’s attack on the United States.

James Comey knew in advance he was going to be fired, these sources say, when Trump threatened him. At that point, the Director set in place countermeasures to protect the FBI”s investigation from Trump’s interference.

These included discussions with future key players at the Department of Justice and the FBI, these sources say, including Acting Director McCabe and Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein.

It was further anticipated by Director Comey, these sources say, that the Trump team would both try to access FBI data and pass it to Russian intelligence. As we earlier reported exclusively, data from Director Comey’s computer was both taken by the Trump Team and passed to the Russians. The property of the United States was then recovered, these sources say. Separate sources with links to the Justice Department say, without being definitive, that it is thought that Attorney General Jeff Sessions ordered an IT ‘audit’ of Director Comey’s electronics, and so the data may have been lawfully collected in a way that would not raise suspicions. Removable media containing data from Director Comey’s computer was then passed to the Russians, sources with links to the intelligence community confirm, adding that the said data has been recovered.

Director Comey anticipated further both that Donald Trump would boast he had tapes on him, and that he, Comey, would be called to Congress to give the sensational testimony he has given today under oath. Comey is highly sensitized to the value of television and the news cycle, sources familiar with his thinking say. He had reluctantly become so, after understanding the crucial role the data laundering of Donald Trump played in the election. Comey therefore decided to wait until his live televised hearing to reveal some of his knowledge about the Russian hacking investigation to the public in order that its impact not be diminished. Indeed, with partisans of both parties seeking to blame Comey for their failures, the Director had become convinced that if he were not dismissed the investigation might focus too much on him and not enough on the foreign and domestic enemies of the United States. While he was angered at the manner of his firing, sources report, Director Comey regarded the situation with the dispassionate eye of a chess player sacrificing a rook to back his opponent into a corner. Both Donald Trump and his Russian handlers fell into line, up to and including their concentration on lines in yesterday’s written testimony, which catfished Russian partisans into repeating ‘obstruction of justice’ until the concept was firmly affixed in the public’s mind. This left Comey open to detailing how Trump obstructed justice without using the term, today.

Director Comey was able to tell the public, using the GLOMAR technique, that both Donald Trump and Jeff Sessions are under criminal investigation for treason with Russia, and that both obstructed justice. Such a killer blow could not have been dealt – at least not so easily – had Trump and his Russian allies had the good sense to leave Director Comey to do his job.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
123. Do catfishing, GLOMAR and investigation supercede indictment and impeachment?
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 05:26 AM
Jun 2017

How do you catfish Trump, who has already been told by the marshal of the Supreme Court that he is being impeached?

And is Comey secretly still employed by the FBI, since he is still working counterintelligence?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
20. Could it be? Yes, it could! Something's coming, something good!
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 10:20 PM
Jun 2017

Something's coming!
I don't know
what it is, but it is
gonna be great!

tirebiter

(2,537 posts)
22. Being found guilty through the impeachment process is a means to void the election
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 10:22 PM
Jun 2017

Must be Queen's English or sumpn'.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
24. Then why not just say they are going to be impeached?
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 10:35 PM
Jun 2017

There is no process in the Constitution for "voiding" an election. Even if a president is impeached, convicted and removed from office, the election itself would not have been voided or nullified, because that president was duly elected in accordance with Constitutional procedures (notwithstanding some dodgy doings that might have effected the outcome). Subsequent removal of the POTUS and VP because of some sort of wrongdoing while in office does not nullify the original election.

Words have specific meanings. Mensch throws them around as if she was playing with a Magnetic Poetry Kit that has legal words in it.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
39. Somehow I think the WaPo or the NYT might have picked up on that.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 11:04 PM
Jun 2017

A Democratic Congressman, Al Green, has called for Trump's impeachment, but there is a specific procedure that has to be followed. Green says he's drafting articles of impeachment: http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/06/politics/al-green-trump-impeachment-plan/ But that's a long, long way from actual impeachment:

"Impeachment proceedings may be commenced in the House of Representatives by a Member declaring a charge of impeachment on his or her own initiative, by a Member presenting a memorial listing charges under oath, or by a Member depositing a resolution in the hopper, which is then referred to the appropriate committee. . . .

Resolutions regarding impeachment may be of two types. A resolution impeaching a particular individual who is within the category of impeachable officers under Art. II, Sec. 4 of the Constitution is usually referred directly to the House Committee on the Judiciary. A resolution to authorize an investigation as to whether grounds exist for the
House to exercise its impeachment power is referred to the House Committee on Rules. Generally, such a resolution is then referred to the House Judiciary Committee." https://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/98-806.pdf

The Judiciary Committee will conduct its own investigation to determine whether "high crimes or misdemeanors" have been committed, and if they decide to proceed they will draft articles of impeachment, which they will vote on and, if approved, send to the full House. The articles being drafted by Rep. Green might be considered but they won't be the final versions, if any. The president can be impeached by a simple majority, but conviction in the Senate requires a 2/3 majority.

So, in brief, any member of the House, or certain others, can take steps to get the ball rolling, but nothing will happen unless the House Judiciary Committee decides to proceed. The current Judiciary Committee consists of 24 Republicans and 17 Democrats. QED.

onenote

(42,703 posts)
96. Giving a speech is not the same as introducing a resolution. It's just a speech.
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 08:15 AM
Jun 2017

Speeches do not trigger (or even allow for) any action by the full House. You have to actually introduce something that can be voted on or referred to a committee. Green has done no such thing.

And this is how the presiding officer of the House responded to Green's speech: "Members are reminded to refrain from engaging in personalities toward the President, such as accusations that he committed an impeachable offense." https://www.congress.gov/crec/2017/05/17/CREC-2017-05-17-house.pdf

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
32. She has said "impeached" over and over and over.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 10:48 PM
Jun 2017

"Voided" was just Twitter short-hand. Two tweets later she used the word impeached again.

 

HarmonyRockets

(397 posts)
35. So she meant to say
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 10:54 PM
Jun 2017

that they are having their election impeached? That doesn't vmake any sense either.

Seriously, I cant believe there are people on this board still listening to this troll.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
36. No it's not 'twitter shorthand'
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 10:57 PM
Jun 2017

Whatever that means.


She specifically said the Supreme Court will void the election.







The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
41. Maybe we should cut Louise a little slack. She's British, so she probably never
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 11:10 PM
Jun 2017

learned anything about the American legal and political systems. If she did, she'd know that the Supreme Court has no power to void an election.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
49. I'm sorry, but that's just plain silly
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 11:42 PM
Jun 2017

There is no genetic defect which prevents a British person from understanding the basics of the US Constitution. None, zip, zilch, zero.

It is an utterly silly statement to make.

One of the most fascinating discussions I ever had about the 7th Amendment and the role of juries in patent cases was with a British lawyer who ran rings around me on 7th Amendment jurisprudence.

It is utterly basic to political science courses everywhere to learn how different systems work.

Do you have some kind of birth defect as an American which prevents you from understanding how a parliamentary system works? Of course not.

In the weeks or months that she's been at this, she has had plenty of time to learn the basics. I refuse to believe that being British is some sort of congenital learning disability.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
55. Of course. I should have added this:
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 12:02 AM
Jun 2017


If she wants to "report" on American law and politics she damn well ought to educate herself about those things.
 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
100. you are correct, using the word voided saves three letters
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 09:58 AM
Jun 2017

Letter space is oh so important on the twitters

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
25. The marshal of the Supreme Court writes VOID on the election results, right?
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 10:35 PM
Jun 2017

Or something like that. Louise might be a little hazy on the details.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
53. No way ! It is a stamp . It is not written , they stamp the election results VOID in red ink
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 12:01 AM
Jun 2017

I heard the stamp was brought out 2 days ago. They are getting ready

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
56. I thought they used one of those embosser things
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 12:04 AM
Jun 2017

and then tied it up with a ribbon. But it has to be a red ribbon or it doesn't count.

onenote

(42,703 posts)
74. When they really want to void something, they use the "null and void" stamp.
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 01:00 AM
Jun 2017

I assume Mensch is buying some wiggle room by saying that they're only going to void the election, not "null and void" it.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
29. She's confident that he will be impeached and convicted -- she's said that repeatedly.
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 10:41 PM
Jun 2017

Why is that so shocking?

This is from Newsweek, a couple weeks ago:

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-impeachment-articles-impeach-green-614841

TRUMP IMPEACHMENT ARTICLES NOW BEING DRAFTED, SAYS DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN AL GREEN

SNIP

Green did not say when he would file a privileged resolution for impeachment, which would have to be considered in the House within two days, but said he was working with constitutional lawyers. And, he added, he would be prepared to go at it alone if need be.

“At some point, we’ll wait to see what others will do, and if no one else does, the president has committed an impeachable act, and I will take it upon myself to do that,” he said.

Some Democrats have been far more cautious about jumping fully aboard the impeachment train. Yet others began openly using the impeachment word this month for the first time, following the fallout from Trump’s firing of Comey and admittance that he did so while thinking about the FBI’s investigation into possible collusion between his campaign and Russia.

SNIP

onenote

(42,703 posts)
45. Green didn't say when he would file a privileged resolution because he probably won't
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 11:32 PM
Jun 2017

All he'll end up doing if he files a privileged resolution is harming the prospects of impeaching Trump.

Why? Because a privileged resolution can be tabled. And that's what would happen. So instead of having the normal process of introducing a motion or resolution calling for an impeachment investigation by the Judiciary Committee, where there would be pressure to hold hearings, the matter would die.

Remember when Kucinich introduced a privileged resolution against Bush? How did that turn out?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
70. "Hear" her, Pnw. She has spoken, and not about impeachment.
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 12:42 AM
Jun 2017


Seriously, the votes of over 63 million people are not going to be "voided." That's the way it is. The laws of our republic still rule. Maybe try to take heart from that.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
73. And a couple posts before that one she used the word impeachment.
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 12:59 AM
Jun 2017

She has mentioned impeachment countless times.

And a few hours ago, she retweeted this piece on impeachment.

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-impeachment-articles-impeach-green-614841

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
77. If you want to consider her information for possible
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 01:06 AM
Jun 2017

validity, fine. Just please be cautious and not elevate trust in these "alternate" sources over those whose reputations are based on a long history of honesty and accuracy.

You've probably noticed that some of her admirers have reached a point down the rabbit hole where they are badmouthing and turning away from honest investigative journalists because they don't back her up, for them the light rapidly disappearing overhead. For social scientists, this slippery slope is a very common and well studied phenomenon.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
78. I take everything I read with a grain of salt, remembering that the NYTimes
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 01:18 AM
Jun 2017

once said that there was no FISA warrant, and that other publications confidently reported that that the FBI was only investigating Russia, not DT team collusion.

We won't know all the facts till we do.

But she got a couple major things right before most everyone else. She knew that there really WAS an investigation going on that involved a FISA warrant -- and she knew that Comey was, despite his mistakes with Hillary -- actually going after the DT team. At a time when a lot of Dems wanted Comey to resign (as if DT would appoint someone better!), she argued that he was working on the case and we should trust that he was doing his job.

And he was.

And I believe that Rosenstein and Comey knew all along that Comey might get fired, and they were ready with Mueller waiting in the wings. Because the day after Comey got fired, Mueller unofficially began his work -- a week before he announced his law firm resignation. And that same day he announced his resignation, 2 of his partners at that firm also announced theirs. The fact that they could all act so quickly tells me that this was in the works for some time.

And now we're hearing that, among other things, one of the new hires has extensive experience in mob and money-laundering prosecutions.

DT's crimes are so wide-ranging it could take years to pull a case together. But they will. I am counting on that. And then, yes, he will be impeached -- unless, like Nixon, he resigns first.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
80. Sure. She and a couple thousand others, on those
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 01:32 AM
Jun 2017

few occasions when it is true -- unlike this "voided" election thing.

I don't know why people imagine it'd be such a coup to read something unverified that only MIGHT turn out to be true a couple of days before responsible journalists verify and publish. If I thought I had to save the world with what I knew, maybe I could see it. As it is, I'm content to wait. And even with all that time available, I'm not willing to waste it on the Mensches of this world when I'll never read a ten-thousandth of the valuable, honest information in many fascinating fields being published every day.

Also, and to me very on point, when I was an at-home mother in my 20s I stopped reading our neighbor's National Enquirer when I realized I was retaining its entertaining nonsense and confusing it with what I read in the LA Times each day. My fund of knowledge could, and should, be far greater, but that awareness of danger is a critical reason it at least isn't filled with trash.

But to each his own.

Robert Frost — 'I hold it to be the inalienable right of anybody to go to hell in his own way.'

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
83. The big risk soon after DT took office was people giving up and DT being normalized
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 01:40 AM
Jun 2017

somehow, despite everything.

People like Louise, who broke the FISA warrant story months before the US media, and Claude Taylor, with his own sources, helped keep the drumbeat against DT going, at a time when the US media was still reporting on statements of DT's unnamed "officials" as if they could be trusted.

And they told us to trust Comey and the ongoing investigative process, when too many people didn't.

Louise is not going to let up, and i'm grateful to her for that. This could be a long haul and no one should give up.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
84. You've been very courteous as I denigrated what's-her-name,
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 01:59 AM
Jun 2017
, and thanks.

My own experience is that all during this time many, many others, some with far, far larger readerships, have been beating that same drum against not just rump but many others involved in the destruction of our government. I also find that one in-depth article in The Atlantic, Foreign Affairs, New Yorker, or many other quality journals, does incredibly more for my understanding than a tweet.

I'm with you that we all need to set ourselves for a long haul, though. Bed time.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
86. Thanks, Hortensis.
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 02:28 AM
Jun 2017

I've been reading a lot, too. Louise and Claude aren't primary sources for me, though they have often tipped me off to articles in the MSM that i might have missed otherwise -- just like DU does.

But I remember back in January, when I was still in shock and couldn't believe DT was President, discovering Louise Mensch and her first story about DT and how Comey was the White Night. At the time it had felt like we were doomed, and I remember thinking -- if only this could be true. If only I knew Comey was -- very quietly, behind the scenes -- moving forward.

She was right. He was.

But we didn't really know that till he testified at the Senate hearing in late March. And then, after Comey got fired, and it turned out Rosenstein had written the letter criticizing Comey's treatment of Hillary, Rosenstein looked bad. But Louise said to trust Rosenstein, that he was a good guy, too. And she was right. He appointed Mueller as Special counsel the next day.

And now she's confident in Mueller, and so am I -- for lots of reasons that predate Louise, and from looking at the hires he's made since he became Special Counsel.

Louise's utter confidence that good will prevail and that DT will get his just deserts helped me through some dark days. And they'll probably continue to cheer me through the months and years ahead.

It won't make me complacent. It won't make me think I don't have to keep up the fight on my own end. I promise.





 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
104. Yep
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 11:17 AM
Jun 2017

Birthers developed their own information ecosystem since the big bad old "MSM" was "ignoring the facts".

Over at Freeperville, they had these amazing whole-cloth legal theories about how Obama was going to be dragged kicking and screaming from the White House and that his presidency would be "nullified" to the extent that every law he signed or appointment he made would be automatically voided.

What was interesting to watch over there was that as these people got deeper into the imagination of Orly Taitz and other birthers, they became utterly resistant to actual facts about how our legal system or system of government operates, and retreated deeper into a fantasy world which immunized them against any rational argument.
 

Foamfollower

(1,097 posts)
52. Jese Christ on a pogo stick, THERE IS NO CONSTITUTIONAL WAY TO VOID RPESIDENTIAL ELECTION!!!!!!
Tue Jun 6, 2017, 11:55 PM
Jun 2017

Mensch is a fucking moron!

JenniferJuniper

(4,512 posts)
72. If people can't see how FOS she is after this one,
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 12:52 AM
Jun 2017

I'm not sure they ever will.

She's probably having a giggle with Milo somewhere right now....

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
75. Well, the other stuff is more or less panning out as predicted
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 01:04 AM
Jun 2017

with a couple of indictments and probably more on the way once Meuller gets rolling, so I wouldn't rule out action on the election front entirely. Anyway here's hoping it's all not some kind of RW psyop.

nini

(16,672 posts)
106. You're right
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 11:31 AM
Jun 2017

I'm getting to the point where I don't even know what to say with half of this crap going on

Stand and Fight

(7,480 posts)
87. I've kept quiet on this, but this woman is playing with people's emotions.
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 03:10 AM
Jun 2017

It may not be popular to say on here, but I think she's intentionally doing this. For what end? To keep people distracted. She's full of shit.

Whiskeytide

(4,461 posts)
89. A conspiracy theory...
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 07:00 AM
Jun 2017

... about a conspiracy theory which explains why she would conspire to troll the left with outlandish conspiracy theories. Theoretically, at least.

How very British.

Fwiw, I agree 100% with you.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
103. How very incorrect. That photo was taken in July, not in November after the election.
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 11:04 AM
Jun 2017

Milo was lying about that -- and the proof that this was July is the hotel ballroom they were in. Louise Mensch is a never-trumper and she never supported his victory with the Republicans.

Whiskeytide

(4,461 posts)
118. Luv' ya' pnwmom, and ...
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 05:36 PM
Jun 2017

... I'm almost always in agreement with your posts/takes.

But not on Mensch. She may or may not have highly placed sources, they may or may not be trolling her, she may or may not be operating a counter insurgency against the democrats, she may or may not be working for the Russians, or Breitbart, or Trump. I don't know.

But I do know that, historically, she has been no friend to progressives or our concerns, that much of what she says is not accurate, that she says things that seem to be aimed at generating publicity, and that she quickly drops back to "opinion" when it seems she overstated an event or story. There was one about a Supreme Court Marshall serving papers to the president on the tarmac... Really? And one about some huge tactical plan being approved to take many people into custody - blocking streets and stuff. That is all pure conspiracy-esque.

I hope they do frog-march the whole cabal out of the White House and Capitol building. But the more Louise says that's going to happen, the less I tend to believe it. I think I'm almost never wrong, but my wife would surely dispute that. And if I'm wrong about Louise, I will buy you a drink to celebrate my wrongness (since I'll be as happy about it as you).

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
102. Then you were just duped by Milo. That isn't even a photo of the venue
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 11:01 AM
Jun 2017

that was supposedly pictured.

That photo was taken in July, not in an event after the November election. Milo was lying. She was a never-trumper who supported Evan McMullin, the independent.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
111. This is a question of fact, not of opinion. And the fact is that that photo
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 12:19 PM
Jun 2017

is not of the location of the hotel where Milo and the Republicans -- not Louise -- celebrated after the election. It is the hotel where Milo and Louise were in July.

Stand and Fight

(7,480 posts)
115. Thanks. I am aware of this. It is a matter of opinion as to whether she is trustworthy.
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 01:38 PM
Jun 2017

She is not in my opinion, and not just on the basis of that photo. Have a great day.

wishstar

(5,269 posts)
90. Many Dems have mistakenly put hope in attention-seeker sensationalist Palast too
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 07:12 AM
Jun 2017

Not surprising she is quoting Palast, since she is using his playbook of raising false hopes for publicity and donations.

Going back to Bush/Gore 16 years ago, I have learned to ignore Palast who was elevated and almost revered by those desperately hoping for exposure of election fraud, when instead he was found to have exaggerated making unsubstantiated claims that lead nowhere.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
95. Is there any particular reason
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 08:10 AM
Jun 2017

people just can't IGNORE Mensch if you don't find her helpful or reliable? Do we really need daily (sometimes hourly) threads about this woman? I follow her on twitter, takes what she posts with a grain of salt and forget about it - what the fuck is the big deal about it? She's getting ZERO attention from the MSM so why does she get everyone's knickers in a knot here?

okieinpain

(9,397 posts)
108. i think she is right but it will never come out
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 11:36 AM
Jun 2017

yes i hear all the complaints about her but there is something funny going on and I just think the russians have figured out something that no one thinks is possible.

but i understand people should not get all worked up for something that isn't going to happen.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
109. As an idiot, I make myself feel smarter
Wed Jun 7, 2017, 11:41 AM
Jun 2017

As an idiot, I make myself feel smarter by pointing out who I believe are other idiots.

I'm sure you'll allege a much different reason though...

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