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Does anyone know if the gun that was used at the baseball field was purchased legally? (Original Post) frankieallen Jun 2017 OP
No, nobody knows the answer to that question, and won't MineralMan Jun 2017 #1
Yes, buyin guns in VA as easy as beer & cigarettes... need serious, common sense gun control NOW!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2017 #4
In most states, that's the case. MineralMan Jun 2017 #6
And if you pass the background check. nt hack89 Jun 2017 #10
Yes. Why wouldn't I pass that check? MineralMan Jun 2017 #11
I have no doubt you would hack89 Jun 2017 #13
Actually, in the recent mass shootings, the shooters MineralMan Jun 2017 #14
Short of a ban and confiscation, what exactly is the answer? hack89 Jun 2017 #15
I don't have an answer for that question. MineralMan Jun 2017 #16
I think we need a stronger social safety net hack89 Jun 2017 #17
+1000..... could not agree more. frankieallen Jun 2017 #20
Bet it was originally purchased legally, as are most. Then the owner either sold it, had it stolen, Hoyt Jun 2017 #2
As I posted elsewhere it's not real hard to purchase a gun in VA justiceischeap Jun 2017 #3
CRAZY!! Maybe now that Repubics have been attacked, they'll stop stonewallin gun control legislation InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2017 #5
They won't, their base won't let them Amishman Jun 2017 #7
Long gun. Igel Jun 2017 #8
this incident has provoked a lot of fear & hate on the right RegexReader Jun 2017 #9
The BATFE is certainly doing a trace right now Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #12
Appreciate your support of guns. Do you think the gun was originally purchased legally? I'd say Hoyt Jun 2017 #18
Any conjecture is just that- conjecture. Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #19
For the answer to that- yes Lee-Lee Jun 2017 #21

MineralMan

(146,307 posts)
1. No, nobody knows the answer to that question, and won't
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 09:18 AM
Jun 2017

for some time to come. Probably, though, it was purchased legally. You can buy firearms like that one almost anywhere.

MineralMan

(146,307 posts)
6. In most states, that's the case.
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 09:32 AM
Jun 2017

I can drive 10 minutes to the local Fleet Farm store and leave with an AR-15 clone and as much ammo as I want. I could be home in less than an hour. I have no desire to do that, but it's certainly possible, as long as I have room on a credit card.

MineralMan

(146,307 posts)
11. Yes. Why wouldn't I pass that check?
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 10:08 AM
Jun 2017

I have no criminal history. I've never even had a traffic ticket.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
13. I have no doubt you would
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 10:16 AM
Jun 2017

the vast majority of gun owners do. It is the people that can't and carry illegally that are the problem

MineralMan

(146,307 posts)
14. Actually, in the recent mass shootings, the shooters
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 10:23 AM
Jun 2017

had acquired firearms legally, based on the laws in place at the time. And that's the problem, really, isn't it?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
15. Short of a ban and confiscation, what exactly is the answer?
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 10:27 AM
Jun 2017

I am fine with UBCs, stricter background checks, mandatory training, implementing measures to temporarily take guns from people that are judged a threat to themselves or others.

But I think back to Sandy Hook - an AWB, gun registration and a gun safe couldn't stop it.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
17. I think we need a stronger social safety net
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 10:31 AM
Jun 2017

I think a major factor in why Europe has lower levels of violence is that they invest in the physical, economic and mental well being of their people. Less desperate people means less violence.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
2. Bet it was originally purchased legally, as are most. Then the owner either sold it, had it stolen,
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 09:24 AM
Jun 2017

or he/she became a terrorist. I guess the original owner could have give it away "for the cause" or some such gunner BS.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
3. As I posted elsewhere it's not real hard to purchase a gun in VA
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 09:26 AM
Jun 2017

Virginia:
No background checks for private sales
No licensing
No registration
No permit req’d for concealed carry of long guns
Open carry long guns & handguns

Igel

(35,303 posts)
8. Long gun.
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 09:48 AM
Jun 2017

Probably legal.

From the little I've heard, probably the kind of rifle no gun-control legislation's covered. Wouldn't look bad-ass enough to scare people into thinking it's something it's not. Nobody's said it had an extra large magazine or was modified, so I'll assume not.

The only reason I'd think for it to not be legally purchased or owned is if the shooter wasn't legally permitted to own one. Not sure what laws are for giving guns, or even informal purchases in VA.

RegexReader

(416 posts)
9. this incident has provoked a lot of fear & hate on the right
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 10:01 AM
Jun 2017

I'm starting to sound like a parrot on this, but the right is calling this the opening shots of Civil War 2.0.

If anything, there is going to a lot of Reeps stockpiling weapons and ammo with the moral justification that the Progressives have already started a fight. It will only escalate quicker and faster.

Just wait until someone walks up to a rally and asks them if they're LBGTQ. Or waits outside of a rally for #antifa to show up then lights them up. Don't snicker, they're saying that the civil war has already started and the Progressive were the ones that started it. Violence begets violence. This isn't going to end well.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
12. The BATFE is certainly doing a trace right now
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 10:11 AM
Jun 2017

They by now will have been in contact with the importer or manufacturer and will know what distributor it went to, and from them what retailer, and BATFE agents are probably either at that shop or on the way to get the form 4473.

Until they complete that work anyone who says that know or have any idea is talking out their ass.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
18. Appreciate your support of guns. Do you think the gun was originally purchased legally? I'd say
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 10:47 AM
Jun 2017

the odds are high that it was. What happened to it at that point is a question -- sold in a back alley or at a gun show without a background check, stolen because they weren't secure, or the original owner became a terrorist. Fact is, gun lovers are irrational as to background checks, registration, restrictions on gun toting, etc.

Hope all your guns are safe.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
19. Any conjecture is just that- conjecture.
Wed Jun 14, 2017, 11:15 AM
Jun 2017

Looking at the information we have now and the shooter and that he is from Illinois I will say that if he did buy it legally than he bought it in a state that not has 100% licensing for gun owners and mandates "private sales" have the seller call the state police and ensure the buyers firearms license is current, so all sales have background checks.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
21. For the answer to that- yes
Thu Jun 15, 2017, 06:49 PM
Jun 2017

They have released the results of the trace.

https://www.uscp.gov/sites/uscapitolpolice.house.gov/files/wysiwyg_uploaded/FBI%20Joint%20Press%20Release%20-%20Alexandria%20Shooting%20Update%20%206.15.17.pdf


Purchased in Illinois, one of the more restrictive states to buy firearms and one of the few that has mandated licensing of gun owners.

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