I hope and pray Steve Scalise gets well. That bullet did a lot of damage

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Nobody deserves that.


And the shooter was a real loser who beat his daughter:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/congressional-shooter-loved-bernie-sanders-hated-racist-and-sexist-republicans

[onecaliberal]

1. Gun regulations now!

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. I hope he will get well too.

Nobody should die from being shot--nobody.

Even people who vote to allow guns into the hands of people who should never have them.

[Else You Are Mad]

3. I don't care what a person believes...

In the end, we are all people. And, no one should have to go through such no matter how much we hate and disagree, we should never wish harm and should hope he has a quick recovery.

[MFM008]

4. It's bad

I truly hope he recovers.

[jrthin]

5. So do I. n/t

[Willie Pep]

6. Wow I thought he was sure to be OK.

The early reports seemed to be very positive. I didn't see the latest reports on Scalise's condition. I hope he pulls through. This is very upsetting.

[Kaleva]

7. Hope he pulls through

[RKP5637]

8. I hope he recovers OK. That's far more serious than it originally seemed. None deserve that!

The violence and division in this country needs to stop. It's so damn sick.

[shenmue]

9. Yes

[Not Ruth]

19. A pelvis hit can be extremely bad

Now that bullet proof vests are commonly used by just about anyone in a government role, law enforcement is less likely to shoot someone in the chest. The pelvis is large, has bones that do not heal, and major arteries.

[RKP5637]

22. I was thinking, probably shattered. Horrible!!! n/t

[dawnie51]

10. This is a life altering injury....

he will never be the same.

[Docreed2003]

11. That type of injury is what I immediately thought of when they mentioned "hip"

And then said he had undergone surgery and was in critical condition.
That's a serious injury and he's lucky to be alive. As others have said, this is a life altering injury. I've seen this injury before and it's a very difficult one to manage depending on the amount of damage sustained.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. Do you think his life is in danger or you just can't say ?

I don't expect you to be Dr. Bill Frist.

I know two people who have been shot, one in the elbow, the other in the shoulder. They had multiple surgeries and lots of rehab. Both never recovered full function but reasonably close.

[Docreed2003]

14. Without knowing the extent of the injuries, I'd just be spitballing

But having seen these types of trans-pelvic trajectory gunshot wounds in the past, and the information provided that he's had what sounds like two operations and massive transfusion of blood products, it certainly could be life threatening. Again, it all depends on how bad the injuries are, what was injured, and how his body responds to not only the effects of the GSW, but to the surgeries and the effects of significant amounts of blood transfusions. Also, I'd wager he's chemically sedated and on the ventilator tonight, which has it's own potential complications, for example pneumonia and a condition called ARDS which can be precipitated by massive transfusion.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. Have you done a lot of surgeries on gun wounds ?

[Docreed2003]

18. Yeah...unfortunately....

I'm not a trauma surgeon, but I've done my fair share of trauma cases, between a trauma heavy residency and a forward hospital stint in Afghanistan in 2011.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

26. My partner and I were driving past Cook County Hospital in Chicago last week.

I said to my partner this is wher you want to be if you get shot. My understanding is they send Army docs there for trauma/gunshot training.

[jmowreader]

54. Navy docs go there

According to http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2001-10-15/news/0110150169_1_trauma-doctors-trauma-centers-military-doctors, the Navy uses a trauma center in Los Angeles (plus the one in Chicago), the Air Force uses a center in Baltimore, and the Army one in Miami.

[GulfCoast66]

15. I deer hunt. Using a high power rifle.

You cannot imagine the tissue damage they can cause. Nothing like a handgun

Do not think of a hole through the body, but an explosion in the pelvis.

My rifle holds 4 bullets and takes a minute or so to reload. This nut managed to get off over 50 rounds. We have got to ban large magazines.

What a f'in day!

Have a nice evening.

[MFM008]

45. Not me

I thought he had winged him in the butt.
I was wrong.
It's very serious.
Hang in there Steve.

[Docreed2003]

53. It's understandable...

Unfortunately, I'm a surgeon and always think the worst, lol. "Prepare for the worst and hope for the best". That mantra was beat into me as a resident. As soon as I heard he had gone to surgery, I knew it was bad. A simple GSW to the buttock wouldn't necessarily need an operation.

[Rorey]

12. He's got a tough road ahead of him

I hope he recovers.

[Gothmog]

17. I will be praying for a swift and complete recovery for all shot at this event

[roamer65]

20. Hopefully, Rep Speier of CA pays him a visit.

She was shot 5 times at Port Kaituma, Guyana in November 1978 by People's Temple cult members. She was left for dead and was found alive 22 hours later.

[panader0]

29. Wow--I had to look that up ---from wiki:

"Speier entered politics by serving as a congressional staffer for Congressman Leo Ryan. Speier was part of his November 1978 fact-finding mission organized to investigate allegations of human rights abuses by Jim Jones and his Peoples Temple followers, almost all of whom were American citizens who had moved to Jonestown, Guyana, with Jones in 1977 and 1978.[4] Speier was one of two members of the mission who made wills before traveling to Jonestown.[9] Several Peoples Temple members ambushed the investigative team and others boarding the plane to leave Jonestown on November 18. Five people died, including Congressman Ryan. While trying to shield herself from rifle and shotgun fire behind small airplane wheels with the other members of the team, Speier was shot five times and waited 22 hours before help arrived.[10] That same day, over 900 of the remaining members of the Peoples Temple died in Jonestown and Georgetown in a mass murder-suicide."

[hamsterjill]

21. Prayers for a full recovery.

I think of his family and what they must be going through.

[EffieBlack]

23. Wow

Earlier reports that he had been shot in the hip made me think it was little more than a flesh wound. I had no idea this much internal damage occurred.

This kind of trauma combined with the fact that he was lying out on the field for about 10 minutes without any medical attention clearly makes this much more serious than I thought.

Praying for his recovery.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. I read that if you have to get shot the safest place is the buttocks.

Lots of fat and no major arteries.

Makes sense.

[EffieBlack]

32. It sure would be for me ...

[gademocrat7]

24. Hope he can recover.

Sending healing thoughts.

[Mme. Defarge]

25. Κύριε, ἐλέησον

[luvMIdog]

27. I hope he recovers as well. After reading that article I can't believe he was able to buy a gun

[CentralMass]

30. Prayers for his recovery and his family..

[TygrBright]

31. As do I. n/t

[emulatorloo]

33. Prayers for him and his family and all who were harmed by this madman.

DSB: thank you for this thread.

[The_Casual_Observer]

34. Lots of good people have died and he is a 2nd amendment

Asshole. A staunch one at that. He never cared about anybody but his nra shitheads. Why should we care now?

[Sunlei]

37. we care because in the USA no one has the right to go out and try to kill people.

If their life is so depressing, so fucked up- take them self out if they don't want to ask for help.

[The_Casual_Observer]

40. Lots of people have been murdered by nuts with guns and this asshole

Stood really tall behind the nra. He's an enabler. Somebody with sway and power he abused it. Now he's living, it more than many others can do. Fuck him.

[Music Man]

42. You're kidding, right?

Why should we care?

We're supposed to be the compassionate ones.

You're basically saying, "Why should we care that the Scalise family loses their husband/dad?"

It's not a big leap from saying, "Why should we care about his death?" to being the guy who pulls the trigger. Think about that for a second.

[Music Man]

48. Fortunately, you are in the very small minority on this board.

Some progressive you are. Can we not engage people on gun policy without condoning ATTEMPTED MURDERS!?!

I really hope you're not someone who goes around talking about opposing war, banning the death penalty, and believing all religions and people can co-exist together, but then when a real, tangible case like this one comes along, you get a hard-on because a Republican might get his comeuppance.

People like you are fake because you don't *really* stand for humanity, just being sure you're on the winning side of an argument.

EDITED: This post was in response to your comment that was removed.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

51. I really, really, really dislike Republican ideology and those that support it.

I really, really, really dislike Republican ideology and those that support it ( my posts scream that) but I don't want to see physical harm come to Republican officials and those that support them. That would make me a monster.

I hope and pray he makes a full recovery.

[The_Casual_Observer]

47. Do you think he ever gave one second of thought

To any family that died due to gun violence? He is nra sellout he had the power to do something and he didnt.
Now he can think about it.

[DeminPennswoods]

35. This is why broken hips are often fatal for the elderly

When my mom broke her hip, the surgeon told me there was a lot of blood and she wound up getting 2 units of blood after the surgery. When you think of bones, you think of skeletons where the bones are dried out. You forget that living bone is full of marrow and blood vessels.

[MFM008]

46. How did she do?

My mom broke her shoulder and femur in 2 places.
She's not doing well.

[DeminPennswoods]

56. OK

The biggest issue was post-surgery delerium which, I guess, is fairly common in the elderly.
Amazingly, she never had much, if any, pain in her hip.

Sounds like your mom had a nasty fall. I wish her a speedy and full recovery.

[MFM008]

57. Thank you

She also had post surgical delerium..

[Sunlei]

36. A very serious wound! I wish him & all the wounded to get well soon.

Much love to their friends & families.

[Demsrule86]

38. I hope so too...terrible thing. He has kids.

[katmondoo]

39. I really want him to recover

I disagree with him on most issues but he doesn't deserve this. I will never say anything against him again, not ever. Please get well

[buzzard]

41. After several years recovered password to respond

Hope that Steve Scalise recovers fully as others injured in this horrible event. Call me a luddite, I joined back in 2004 (I think) but forgot lost password and never bothered to recover it until now. I have followed DU daily sometimes wanting to post but mostly interested in the general feel of like minded individuals.

[Still In Wisconsin]

43. .223 is a really high energy round.

He's lucky to be alive and his recovery will be a long one. I'm praying he will make a complete recovery but it won't be short or easy.

[DesertRat]

49. Horrible news. Violence is never solution to anything. nt

[PatrickforO]

50. Yeah that was pretty sad.

The shooter was a Bernie supporter, for God's sake.

I know many of us feel lots of anger against these assholes because we feel they are setting back this nation 100 years with their destructive agenda. And certainly, there's the treason issue.

But let's not go shooting people, eh?

[montana_hazeleyes]

52. That is horrible.

I hope he pulls through and his recovery is as good as possible.

[lunamagica]

55. I do too

[Vinca]

58. I hope he recovers fully and I hope the GOP, as a whole, learns a gun lesson from this.

What happened yesterday happens every day to regular people who don't have police officers following them around for protection. It's time to tell the NRA to get lost and institute some reasonable gun restrictions in this country. We deserve better.

[Gothmog]

59. I will be praying for a full and complete recovery