Prediction: Handel "wins" tomorrow, because they keep rigging shit

[LaydeeBug]

and they will continue to keep rigging shit as long as we insist talking about them rigging shit is off the table.

[hedda_foil]

1. Unfortunately, I completely agree.

[packman]

2. Yep, I agree also

Would like and would rejoice if otherwise, but Repukes play a hard game - too much bias, bigotry, anger to hope for any relief.

[Me.]

3. No Offense

But I wish people would stop predicting a loss before elections even take place

[LaydeeBug]

7. none taken

I just wish people would not turn a blind eye to what has been happening, and will continue to happen as long as we let it.

[Me.]

9. Agreed

[loyalsister]

11. Seriously

Why vote if that is the supposition?

[Me.]

14. I Do Worry

About discouraging voters, the why bother influence

[George II]

16. That's the problem with these day before the election dour predictions. Someone who is....

...on the fence about even voting may read this and decide it's just not worth the "trouble" to go to vote. Believe me, there are a lot more Americans than we think that find voting a burden or a nuisance and just look for an excuse to blow it off.

[loyalsister]

19. That's why republicans love this stolen election narrative

They are sitting back smiling "please proceed." Trump started pushing a claim of rigged elections right away. It garners a lot of public support for voter suppression.

It's an inescapable conclusion if one is to claim that elections have been rigged for a significant period of time. Without hard evidence, it's dangerous rhetoric that validates Trump's lies about the election numbers.

[diva77]

21. The narrative is not "don't vote since it's rigged anyway" the narrative is "a landslide is required

so your vote is VITAL"

[mythology]

45. How does that make sense?

If someone were to go so far as actually rigging voting (which doesn't happen) they would only do so if it was within some arbitrary percentage?

[LaydeeBug]

51. Thank you diva. nt

[diva77]

20. All the more reason to vote because if it is a LANDSLIDE it is harder to pull off the election theft

[MoonRiver]

27. Yes, because why do things to depress the vote before the election?

[still_one]

30. Thank you. I have no idea what they think they are accomplishing by this except maybe to encourage

people not to vote

It's bullshit

[ck4829]

4. If that's the case, then it's getting closer to the point where we must declare the House

as illegitimate.

It seems as though a lot of people don't want to say that, we need to start considering a line though.

[LexVegas]

6. I...DECLARE....BANKRUPTCY!!! nt

[Demsrule86]

5. I hope Ossoff wins...but it was always a heavy lift.

[NightWatcher]

8. I predict the standard repuke 2% point win that occurs towards the end of the counting

They always seem to find mysterious votes for the r after they count the left leaning areas.

[Docreed2003]

12. Always seem s that way, doesn't it

[pirateshipdude]

10. I think so too.

They will use the excuse of the shooting for the win, too.

[TrishaJ]

13. Agreed. Voting on machines in Georgia

With no paper trail guarantees GOP keeps that seat.

[RhodeIslandOne]

15. I'm not going to say a word until after its over

But well, yeah.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

17. So how long have they been "rigging shit"?

It's the suburban south and 70% white, it's an extreme almost comical long-shot.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. We chose a tough place to plant our flag.

Regardless , the struggle continues.

[still_one]

32. A district that has voted republican for decades, and that the polls are a dead heat is quite a

accomplishment

These OPs predicting our loss before the voting has taken place is worthless, unless of course they are trying to discourage people not to vote, because that is effectively what they are doing

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. The race is close. I remain optimistic.

[still_one]

36. so do I DSB

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. Price won that district by 24 points.

Regardless of the outcome we are going to improve greatly on that showing. I just hope people don't become demoralized if we pull up a tad bit short.

[still_one]

43. Absolutely. It was also gingrich's district.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

64. Maybe we could try "struggling" in CA-45 and CA-48

Where all we need to turf the Republicans are decent candidates.

[louis c]

18. I repectfully disagree. Ossoff by 3 points, and here's why

I think, at this point, every district in the country is a 5 point swing from Trump's numbers in last year's GE.

Trump won this district by 2 points, hence a 5 point swing toward the Dem and a 3 point Ossoff win.

[annabanana]

22. vapourware on no-account machines..

a recipe for no true vote

[LaydeeBug]

23. there it is right there...and we can't keep pretending they're not doing it...they *are*. nt

[Ilsa]

25. It's possible. They got the polls tied up so it

won't look as suspicious.

[FSogol]

26. Why on the eve of election would you post something to discourage people from voting?

[LaydeeBug]

29. Or it motivates them...whatever floats your boat.

He who CASTS the vote decides nothing. He who COUNTS the votes decides *everything*is an old saying that will prove apt today.

But thanks for the kick though.

[KingCharlemagne]

40. The saying has been credited to that crafty old humorist Joseph Stalin :) - nt

[oberliner]

28. She will most likely win

And it most likely won't be as close as people think.

[ehrnst]

31. Her voter suppression may pay off. (nt)

[BeyondGeography]

33. We lose because we don't vote

"Rigging" is a pathetic distraction. Younger voters vote at a fraction of the rate of older more conservative voters; maybe take off the tinfoil hat and spend some more time thinking about how we address that.

[LaydeeBug]

34. or our votes get fucked with...

one way or another.

[BeyondGeography]

37. Here's something factual

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/20/opinion/voter-turnout-democrats-republicans.html?smprod=nytcore-ipad&smid=nytcore-ipad-share

Our system makes it difficult/inconvenient to vote for many people but we still leave too many votes on the table. Take lethargy with a side order of suppression and you're on your way to clearing your head a little. Rigging is a bullshit non-story. Please stop pushing it.

[still_one]

41. You would think that would be obvious after what happened in 2016 when 47% refused to vote

[BeyondGeography]

44. Fugly numbers that have zero to do with rigging

So let's push dark fantasies that give them even less of an incentive to change their behavior. Yay!

[JustAnotherGen]

48. This times 10000000

Seriously - the numbers of actual voters really DO matter.

I don't discount the rigging AND the removal of people of color from the rolls. I don't doubt that. But at the end of the day - you gotta get the people to the polls.

I was watching the news this AM and it stated that 80% of voters in this district care about Health Insurance/Care - it's a priority for them.

Handel doesn't care about that. She point blank said so.

I think Handel is fucked in this election.

[LaydeeBug]

49. I agree with you here...but they are fucking with machines, and rolls, and Deza, and

pretending they're not...Pretending that they did not, or could not have (which is just insulting) or somehow stopped at that threshold is wholly naiive.

She will win...even though she's been trailing in the polls.

[JustAnotherGen]

63. We know that

But we aren't quitters. One thing the Republicans are really good at?

They never say die.

[ElementaryPenguin]

71. NO! You're kidding yourself if you believe that electronic voting systems aren't hacked!!!!

And that Republicans aren't willing to fucking CHEAT to seize/retain power!!!!

OPEN YOUR EYES!!!

[still_one]

38. You nailed it BG

[cwydro]

42. Yep.

Spot on.

[LaydeeBug]

50. Yes...there is certainly another message: THEY'RE FUCKING WITH OUR VOTES

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and pretending they're not enables them. You're welcome.

[LaydeeBug]

57. So it sticking your head in the sand.

[LaydeeBug]

73. Yes, you are.

[LaydeeBug]

75. *nope*

They will keep rigging *any* and *every* which way they can as long as you gaslight for them.

[LaydeeBug]

78. wrong.

Not getting into the gaslight.

Take care.

[LaydeeBug]

82. Why are you turning tail now? Aren't you proud of all that you posted? nt

[JustAnotherGen]

47. I think he's going to win

I *think* those 102K early votes are most likely in his favor. Digging in deep to some of the African American activism that is going on in 'the shadows' - you have to remember -

The Junior League in that district has a lot of black women in it - my cousin in law is one.

The minority population is very well educated.

They took no chances.

I just think the guy is going to win.

I have one more strong belief about his campaign that I won't type at DU but suffice to say - he ran the 'right' way for this District.

[Eliot Rosewater]

52. Count on it

https://www.thenation.com/article/karen-handel-has-a-long-history-of-suppressing-votes/


 Karen Handel Has a Long History of Suppressing Votes
She’s purged voter rolls, blocked Democratic candidates from running, and supported strict voter-ID laws.

THEY CANT win elections, they can only steal them.

[avebury]

53. There is another post about polling place locations being changed

which, if true, smacks of dirty tricks.

[ga_girl]

66. Changed for good reasons, and notices mailed

Mainly schools undergoing renovations during summer vacation.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/north-fulton-county/polling-locations-changed-ahead-of-6th-district-election/526637526

Fulton County is moving 12 of its polling places to different locations a little more than three weeks out from the highly watched Sixth Congressional District runoff election because officials said they had no choice.

Most of the polls are located in Fulton County School District schools, and shortly after the April 18 primary election, school officials informed elections director Richard Barron that they needed to renovate those buildings, so they could not be polling locations for the June 20 runoff between Republican Karen Handel and Democrat Jon Ossoff.

“We found out after the April 18 election,” Barron said. “Then we had to get our board to approve it, and then it takes time to get the letters printed and get the cards ordered.”

Barron said letters to the heads of households went out Monday. They’ll also be sending out new precinct cards.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

54. I wish I could disagree with you! But I can't.

[beachbum bob]

55. i hate hearing opinions expressed or implied as facts

nobody has shown any such thing as rigging outside of voter ID laws making it somewhat burdensome to get a voter ID card.....the clear fact that this race is SO fricken close is a huge win,,,Tom price won by what nearly 30pts in novemeber and we are in statisical tie???

quit the handwringing

[Lee-Lee]

59. Blaming every loss on hacking and rigging will ensure we keep losing

I'm all for blaming it if you have proof. Like actual proof that would make a decent case in court.

But this preemptive "if we lose it's because it is rigged" nonsense is not just without any basis in fact for a website where we are supposed to be fact based but it harms or efforts. Because if you just default to "it's rigged and hacked" every time you lose then you never look past that to learn what you need to do to actually win.

[SoCalMusicLover]

60. Actual Proof? There's No Actual Proof When There's NO Paper Trail

Why would they leave evidence of changing the votes? Better to make it look like the other side are filled with sore losers, looking for excuses. Nothing to see here, move along.

[LaydeeBug]

65. Thank you for this. They will keep doing it as long as we pretend it can't happen. nt

[Meowmee]

81. Agree

If something isn't done asap to address all of the voter issues this country is down the toilet forever. We need to go to paper ballots- hand counted and monitored- no more computer voting.

[Ilsa]

67. There was also the missing 40,000 voter registrations

that the state mysteriously "lost".

[workinclasszero]

61. I hope you are wrong

(but I fear you may be right)

We will know soon enough I guess.

[ecstatic]

62. Sadly, you're right. We should have fought like hell

to clean up our voting process before 2016. All the disenfranchisement and suppression, combined with machine/hacking/fraud... Make no mistake, Ossoff would win if there were no dirty tricks. They are purging minority voters based on duplicate first and last names, with no regard to the middle names and birthdays. I'm just waiting for those f*ckers to try to purge me from the rolls--I will raise so much hell they won't know what hit them.

[LaydeeBug]

68. We have to stop pretending there is something they won't, or can't, or didn't do...

because they *are*, and these motherfuckers are not worried about re election. They *know* they have it in hand.

Merrick Garland. McConnell *knew*. Moscow Mitch *never* worries about re election.

[roamer65]

69. No paper ballots - no audit trail - illegitimate.

[LaydeeBug]

72. and then they gaslight us with this fucktense that "it's not happening"

Republicans are NOT worried about re election.

Merrick Garland. They *know* the fix is in.

[ElementaryPenguin]

70. Couldn't agree with you more, LB!

[orangecrush]

77. Please give me

The lottery numbers.

[L. Coyote]

79. With DRE voting, no way of verifying the truth.

DRE's took the evidence out of election rigging.

[LaydeeBug]

83. exactly...and they will *KEEP* doing it as long as our side gives into the gaslight