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This is the horrifying moment firefighters first saw the Grenfell Tower fire. (Original Post) Cattledog Jun 2017 OP
"There's kids in there" RhodeIslandOne Jun 2017 #1
"How is that even possible?" Absolutely. Hortensis Jun 2017 #2
Only when you don't use fire resistant material malaise Jun 2017 #3
Polystyrene cladding elehhhhna Jun 2017 #4
Gentrification in form malaise Jun 2017 #6
Well said, malaise...well said. pangaia Jun 2017 #9
Right. This shouldn't be possible was almost my first thought. Hortensis Jun 2017 #5
You're right malaise Jun 2017 #8
79 dead last count. New info is that the flammable cladding was Hortensis Jun 2017 #10
Reminds me of a birthday candle lit from the bottom, or a wooden match. lostnfound Jun 2017 #13
That is precisely what happened here malaise Jun 2017 #15
From the video - "It's a towering inferno here" BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #7
"How is that even possible?" MrScorpio Jun 2017 #11
London Fire Brigade only has a 110 ft Ladder truck..... Historic NY Jun 2017 #12
That is the worst fire since 9/11 that I have ever seen. leftyladyfrommo Jun 2017 #14
 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
1. "There's kids in there"
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 07:07 AM
Jun 2017

Really gives you an insight to the bravery and guts of these guys and what they do every day.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
6. Gentrification in form
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 07:23 AM
Jun 2017

Fugg the poor and minorities - as long as it looks OK for 'their' skyline. State terrorism - there it is!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
5. Right. This shouldn't be possible was almost my first thought.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 07:22 AM
Jun 2017

It looked unbelievable, like a silly action movie's version of a high-rise fire.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
8. You're right
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 07:35 AM
Jun 2017

This was man, woman and childslaughter. Imagine their comments if this had happened in a developing country.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
10. 79 dead last count. New info is that the flammable cladding was
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 08:24 AM
Jun 2017

still legal in UK even though banned in many other nations, including the U.S., and was actually new, added in a recent renovation.

"The material in the exterior cladding consisted of insulation sandwiched between two sheets of aluminum. The type used at Grenfell Tower is made under the Reynobond name by Arconic, a company spun off from the aluminum giant Alcoa last year. It was installed around the tower, which was built in 1974, in a renovation completed last year.

Critics of the material have warned for years that aluminum surface sheets can melt in a fire, after which flames could race through flammable insulation. If other protections fail and fire penetrates the cladding, “It is like you have got a high-rise building and you are encasing it in kerosene,” said Edwin Galea, director of the Fire Safety Engineering Group at the University of Greenwich. “It is insanity, pure and simple.”

Such a runaway blaze appears to have been precisely what happened at Grenfell Tower. The flames engulfed the building in a matter of minutes, moving from the outside inward and emitting a dark smoke characteristic of burning insulation."

lostnfound

(16,189 posts)
13. Reminds me of a birthday candle lit from the bottom, or a wooden match.
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 09:33 AM
Jun 2017

Disregard for the residents but also for the firefighters.

Hard to believe this is still happening in 2017. Capitalism needs human supervision. Or to be kept restrained like an animal in a cage at the zoo. "Individual informed consumers" are not the solution to every last problem. Whoever knew about this, and profited by it, ought to be stripped of a good part of their wealth and have to volunteer in a burn ward.

BumRushDaShow

(129,440 posts)
7. From the video - "It's a towering inferno here"
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 07:25 AM
Jun 2017


I remember seeing that movie in the theater (plus read both books that it was based on - "The Tower" and "The Glass Inferno&quot .





It underscored all the "cost saving" decisions that were made in the construction that eventually precipitated the fire and ultimately created a death trap.

Historic NY

(37,453 posts)
12. London Fire Brigade only has a 110 ft Ladder truck.....
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 08:59 AM
Jun 2017

the building was over 259 ft. Inadequate standpipes, sprinklers, fire proof materials. They were undercut the day the building was built.

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