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(5,042 posts)Really gives you an insight to the bravery and guts of these guys and what they do every day.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)in the name of cheaper
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)Wth?
malaise
(269,157 posts)Fugg the poor and minorities - as long as it looks OK for 'their' skyline. State terrorism - there it is!
pangaia
(24,324 posts)That's the damn truth...
Urban renewal.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)It looked unbelievable, like a silly action movie's version of a high-rise fire.
malaise
(269,157 posts)This was man, woman and childslaughter. Imagine their comments if this had happened in a developing country.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)still legal in UK even though banned in many other nations, including the U.S., and was actually new, added in a recent renovation.
"The material in the exterior cladding consisted of insulation sandwiched between two sheets of aluminum. The type used at Grenfell Tower is made under the Reynobond name by Arconic, a company spun off from the aluminum giant Alcoa last year. It was installed around the tower, which was built in 1974, in a renovation completed last year.
Critics of the material have warned for years that aluminum surface sheets can melt in a fire, after which flames could race through flammable insulation. If other protections fail and fire penetrates the cladding, It is like you have got a high-rise building and you are encasing it in kerosene, said Edwin Galea, director of the Fire Safety Engineering Group at the University of Greenwich. It is insanity, pure and simple.
Such a runaway blaze appears to have been precisely what happened at Grenfell Tower. The flames engulfed the building in a matter of minutes, moving from the outside inward and emitting a dark smoke characteristic of burning insulation."
lostnfound
(16,189 posts)Disregard for the residents but also for the firefighters.
Hard to believe this is still happening in 2017. Capitalism needs human supervision. Or to be kept restrained like an animal in a cage at the zoo. "Individual informed consumers" are not the solution to every last problem. Whoever knew about this, and profited by it, ought to be stripped of a good part of their wealth and have to volunteer in a burn ward.
malaise
(269,157 posts)Murder most foul
BumRushDaShow
(129,440 posts)I remember seeing that movie in the theater (plus read both books that it was based on - "The Tower" and "The Glass Inferno" .
It underscored all the "cost saving" decisions that were made in the construction that eventually precipitated the fire and ultimately created a death trap.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)Tories, my friend.
Tories.
Historic NY
(37,453 posts)the building was over 259 ft. Inadequate standpipes, sprinklers, fire proof materials. They were undercut the day the building was built.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,870 posts)Stuff of nightmares.