if after Phillando Castille shooting, you as a democrat say ALL LIVES MATTER

[La Lioness Priyanka]

when you are asked about the black lives matter movement, i wont vote for you. And i am pretty sure I am not alone

The time to make this error is over.

And if women of color do not show up for your candidate, your candidate has no shot in hell.

Just wanted to make that crystal clear to people who imagine that they have the magic bullet to democrats winning.

[raging moderate]

1. Tamir Rice's murder should have been enough to do that.

I still can't believe that really happened. Clearly a kid. But yeah, Phillando Castille's shooting also exposed vicious racism.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

3. sure, but i guess each shooting and each acquittal has made me more resolute

in my demand that my vote goes to people who value civil rights.

[DashOneBravo]

34. Both shootings were outrageous.

I couldn't believe those cops got away with it.

Mr. Castille was shot by Jeronimo Yanez. So I don't understand how race played in unless by the jury.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

37. black lives are devalued. just because a non-white person killed him doesn't invalidate that

reality.

non whites can also participate in the anti-blackness that exists in society

[DashOneBravo]

46. Thank you ma'am

[Aristus]

51. I agree with Pri. Racism isn't about the murderer in this instance, it's about the victim.

There should be no doubt that if the victim had been white, the cop would be facing some very hard time right now.

Since the victim was black, the murderer got everything but a pat on the back and a "Nice shooting there, son." (and I'm not the one to say that didn't happen in a back room somewhere...)

[JHan]

52. there are different ways racism manifests itself..

even within communities of color - Shadism, Anti-black sentiment even in hispanic communities ( read accounts of black cubans even in Cuba )

Implicit bias against blacks has been so pernicious and pervasive, it exists within communities of color as well.

[tblue37]

42. With clear video that the cop jumped out and started shooting IMMEDIATELY--within

much less than 2 seconds! That little boy was not given a warning and never had a chance to comply because he was shot right away and then left to bleed out while his sister was handcuffed and prevented from going to him.

Similarly, John Walker was shot on sight with no warning, and not even facing the cops.

In both cases the cops lied about how it happened, and clear video proved they lied. Yet they were not charged.

[raging moderate]

45. yes, thank you! I am NOT crazy, and neither are you!

This is what I also saw. Just the way you said it.

[betsuni]

2. K&R

[raging moderate]

4. That cop shot a grade school lunchroom supervisor.

I can hardly take this in. Everybody knows what lunchroom workers are like. Day after day, making school warm and homey, always with cheerful little comments and cute little touches on holidays. And they say Mr. Castille was especially good at his job, with every kid's allergies always in mind and the lunch always so well-planned and a friendly word for everyone.

[bettyellen]

5. Agreed. we cannot buy this RW "identity" politics framing. Libertarians can fuck off with that.

becasue it's not real liberals saying that shit.

[JHan]

6. buying into Republican narratives is what's hot in the streets.

[Docreed2003]

28. Exactly...

At the end of the day it's still a dog turd...

[hatrack]

48. And let's not forget letting the GOP define your brand as "toxic" . . .

And, of course, responding so as to appease them.

[unblock]

8. when i hear them whine about "identity" politics, i say, "my identity is american. what's yours?"

[bettyellen]

10. I'm an American who wants to control my own body. And live in a just society. Your feeling about

Corporate stuff is not more important than our right to life and liberty. But they've got theirs.

[geek tragedy]

13. the problem isn't black/brown folks engaging in identity politics.

it's that uneducated white people--of whom there are more than 2X of black and Latino voters combined--also start buying into identity politics

[bettyellen]

14. Also educated white men. They need to learn to be part of a coalition and not put themselves above

Women and POC if here going to call themselves liberal. This shit is not on.

[geek tragedy]

15. coalitions require work on both ends

currently, fairly or not, uneducated white people do not see the Democratic party as welcoming them, including people like them and their neighbors, and reflecting their values.

We need to win over more of them than we did in 2016, 2014, 2012, and 2010 if we're going to retake Congress.

Recommendations as to how we accomplish that?

[bettyellen]

22. Sorry but they have to do more than tolerate us- it's long overdue

I can't understand the mindset that allows people to put a price on my freedom, or expects me to negotiate over that. I need fellow Dems to explain how to politely explain that. Or have them explain it. But human rights are not on the table.

[geek tragedy]

36. you're not saying anything that's wrong

But, at the end of the day there aren't enough voters with our values to win elections.

[bettyellen]

38. I don't belive that. I think too many potential voters were complacent.

We can't change RWers who have been poisoned against liberals, and that's what they are - too tribal. We can only get new voters who realize their voices matter.
We cannot accept their xenophobia. Not going to happen.

[geek tragedy]

39. There were a significant number of Obama-Tr*mp voters.

Those are the key, imo.

We got as many Rmoney voters as we could get in 2016.

Imo, our most likely source of votes is negative--to get Tr*mp voters discouraged, complacent or otherwise unmotivated to vote.

[tblue37]

44. Way more of OUR voters were prevented from voting, and that voter suppression

is escalating. The Democratic establishment needs to take care of voter suppression and hackable voting machines.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

9. lol. yes, asking democrats to value black lives is def a step too far.

[bettyellen]

11. Justice for everyone ain't a purity test - it's a core value. You all gotta know

You aren't a party without us. You don't lead it, women and POC are the majority and you need to accept that we're not taking orders.

[smirkymonkey]

47. Thank YOU!

[bettyellen]

50. Your welcome!

[pirateshipdude]

12. That would be the Democratic base. Eom

[BumRushDaShow]

16. The GOP "wins" by cheating

not by getting more people to vote for them. See Bush v Gore & the 2004 general election in Ohio.

The party registration here in the state of PA is 51% Democrat and 49% GOP yet the state Congressional delegation is 13 GOP and 5 Democrat. How do you think that happened (hint: gerrymandering)?

[brush]

20. Sure you're on the right site with that old divide and conquer gambit?

[NobodyHere]

17. All Lives Matter

[La Lioness Priyanka]

18. and ?

[Gravitycollapse]

21. No, they don't. Which is why Black Lives Matter is so important.

[NCTraveler]

24. Not in today's society.

Not in the eyes of the government.

[hatrack]

49. No, they don't, just in case you went out of your way to miss the entire point . . .

[ck4829]

61. ... but some lives matter more and some matter less.

This is the unsaid thing.

[m-lekktor]

19. K & R nt

[leftstreet]

23. No Democrat should have been saying it in the first place

[La Lioness Priyanka]

26. I understand when it happens as a silly defense the first few times

But the moment has passed to be indulge this any more

[leftstreet]

27. Absolutely

This is NO DIFFERENT than what domestic violence women's groups encountered as they fought for legislation, medical care, safe houses etc for victims

"Huh! Well men get hit, too!"

I've seen this trick so many times

[WhiteTara]

25. Nor will I accept them as someone I know. What is happening

to the African American communities across the nation would be considered crimes against humanity if this were happening in a different country.

[sheshe2]

29. I posted this awhile back

The Real Reason White People Say ‘All Lives Matter’


let’s have an honest talk about why we say “All Lives Matter.” First of all, notice that no one was saying “All Lives Matter” before people started saying “Black Lives Matter.” So “All Lives Matter” is a response to “Black Lives Matter.” Apparently, something about the statement “Black Lives Matter” makes us uncomfortable. Why is that?

Now some white people might say that singling out Black people’s lives as mattering somehow means that white lives don’t matter. Of course, that’s silly. If you went to a Breast Cancer Awareness event, you wouldn’t think that they were saying that other types of cancer don’t matter. And you’d be shocked if someone showed up with a sign saying “Colon Cancer Matters” or chanting “All Cancer Patients Matter.” So clearly, something else is prompting people to say “All Lives Matter” in response to “Black Lives Matter.”

Many of the people saying “All Lives Matter” also are fond of saying “Blue Lives Matter.” If you find that the statement “Black Lives Matter” bothers you, but not “Blue Lives Matter,” then the operative word is “Black”. That should tell us something. There’s something deeply discomfiting about the word “Black.” I think it’s because it reminds us of our whiteness and challenges our notion that race doesn’t matter.

More Here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-halstead/dear-fellow-white-people-_b_11109842.html

[MLAA]

31. I'm with you! n/t

[Initech]

35. I saw that video yesterday. How are people not rioting in the streets?

[karynnj]

40. Is there any way that a candidate could retain your support with expanding from "Black lives matter"

- maybe explaining that saying that is to acknowledge that for many there is real concern that for some black lives don't matter and for that reason it is important and necessary to say affirmatively black lives do matter in as strong and as clear a way possible. I wish it were then acceptable o say that to add that the phrase, black lives matter, should never be parsed to mean that lives of others do not matter.

In 2016, the problem was that candidates were forced to essentially apologizing for saying something that - in and of itself was NOT wrong. I assume that you would agree that all lives matter -- even as you say BLACK LIVES MATTER. In essence, the phrase means more to you than normal parsing of the words were. You are creating a shibboleth to separate those you accept from those you don't using what almost amounts to coded language.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

41. No im reflecting the reality that exists, which is white lives matter and black lives are devalued

So I need people I vote got to say that they affirmatively value black lives and not bulslhit around with it

Much like I don't want my representative to say that straights need pride too

It's bigotry I won't tolerate. Neither will most of the Democratic base.

[karynnj]

43. Thanks for answering my question nt

[SaschaHM]

56. You compared BLM protestors to Dogs in another post.

I'm surprised that you are still voting for Dems after they made Barack Obama their nominee.

[tonedevil]

62. Where do you...

you get your white robes and hoods laundered?

[tonedevil]

67. I've seen no sign...

of you displaying that, but I have seen you type a couple of quite racist screeds in this very thread.

[JI7]

66. i don't think you are helping at all based on what you just posted

that's some fucked up shit .

[JHan]

68. It's unfortunate you see people expressing righteous anger as trouble makers .. worse yet...

dogs.

"Biting the people that help them" -

Since you're obviously unaware, the BLM movement is the first of its kind to successfully mount massive political mobilization against police brutality and mass incarceration since the War on Drugs began. For decades liberals of every stripe , including self professed " classic liberals" have been trying to place civil liberties front and centre of political discourse - from civil forfeiture abuse, to the militarization of police , drug decriminalization and addressing the spread of mandatory minimum sentencing . For years there have been calls for police reform and warnings of increased threats to civil liberties and for the first time in a long time there is an energetic movement driving this discourse aimed at ending systemic injustices

- but your hot take is that these activists are "dogs".

In today's climate, if you want to call yourself a Liberal, you should at the very least inform yourself of threats to liberty ... or maybe you really ought to be a Republican.

[elleng]

54. There is no single 'magic bullet.'

[VOX]

55. Anyone who says "all lives matter" really isn't LISTENING.

Of course all lives matter, that's an everyday given. But it's not the point here. If a BLM individual is told by John Doe that "All lives matter," then John Doe hasn't really been listening.

Anyone who's ever had relationship counseling to improve communication learns that they MUST listen to their aggrieved spouse/partner, even if the subject matter being discussed is difficult. You listen attentively, do not interrupt, you do not counter when the other person is having their say. But with each exchange, when appropriate, you must acknowledge that you have heard every word, and avoid shifting into an unnecessary and counterproductive defensive mode.

This same type of "I hear what you're saying, and you make several excellent points" genuine listening should apply to exchanges with the BLM folks as well.

[marylandblue]

58. Sometimes I think the speaker also bears responsibility

I understand that that black people feel marginalized and are more likely to have negative or dangerous encounters with a cop. But don't they really mean Black Lives Matter TOO? Wouldn't rhat make the point much more obvious?

[ConnorMarc]

60. No "Too" Is Not Necessary

The message has been sent loud and clear to black people that their lives don't matter.

Hence a cop can come on the scene and gun down an 11 year old boy in less than 2 seconds of arriving and get off scott free, because society is OK with it.

The response is to say, #BlackLivesMatter

Why do so many white people have a problem with black people being outraged, especially since white people are free to express their outrage at will, mostly for non life-threatening matters.

[VOX]

63. Well stated...

And it's an issue that never gets addressed adequately, all the way from 1865 to the present day. Just band-aids applied here and there, but until a majority of Americans sincerely and truthfully deal with this staggering, unspeakable inequality, there will be tragedy heaped upon tragedy, endlessly, as we've seen.

[ConnorMarc]

64. Roalnd Martin said that

We won't see an end to the senseless and wrong killings of unarmed blacks by the police unless and until we start seeing multiple/back-to-back videos of whites being killed similarly by the police.

Sad, but true.

[lunasun]

69. +1

[0rganism]

59. "all lives matter" implies "black lives matter"

i'm not sure the "all lives matter" people understand this