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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTim Ryan started his bid to unseat Pelosi as Minority Leader in '16.
Ryan, supporter of the Stupak Amendment, still has his little feelings hurt. A strong and powerful woman kicked his ass and he is not over it. Weak and pathetic little man. He lost by an embarrassing vote of 13463.
This vote took place AFTER Trump was elected.
He is personally invested in becoming leader. That is known. It's not about the greater good. It's not about the good of the party. It's about stroking his puny little ego.
oasis
(49,431 posts)Disloyalty has consequences.
pirateshipdude
(967 posts)What is this with our Democratic men. Ok. Not all are Democratic. Ryan anyway. Democrats clearly voted Pelosi in. Democrats clearly voted Clinton in. They won. That simple. Now these men are trying to ruin the Democratic Party.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)Sanders is not licking any wounds. He's moving on. Fighting for health care right this very minute on the road. He's all about policy. He's just as critical of Democratic men when he disagrees with them. That's quite on unwarranted attack on Sanders. If anything, he's part of saving the party. He's brought millions of new young people into the party and they really listen to him and trust him. Guess you don't value these new ones?
I'm a lifelong Democrat and a woman and have many issues with Pelosi myself. She's been very good on many things but it may be time for her to give way to new voices and new faces. The Democrats should not be in the trouble they're in. Because of their policies, they should be the dominant power in the land because most Americans agree with us on the issues---yet we keep losing. Guess I'm being sexist to say that Pelosi plays a role in our diminishment.
pirateshipdude
(967 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)We've lost State Houses. We've lost all three branches of the Federal government. Because of this we've lost the Department of Education. The Department of Energy.
We need to do something radically different and fast, before 2016, to get ready for 2016.
fallout87
(819 posts)And if we are going to take back the house in 2018 we have to flip seats. No way around it.
pirateshipdude
(967 posts)FarPoint
(12,469 posts)Please.....get on board with the Democratic Party...stop the fretful thinking.
pirateshipdude
(967 posts)Ryan is the one with his "fretful" thinking and causing the Democratic Party issues.
JHan
(10,173 posts)fallout87
(819 posts)In some republican areas.
JustAnotherGen
(31,969 posts)The Governor's mansion here come November. Exciting time in NJ!
fallout87
(819 posts)I whole heartedly agree. I think it's natural to look at all angles that will help us in the mid terms. Even if that means a change at leadership.. let's at least talk about it. And this isn't an attack on Pelosi for being a woman... Schumer is on thin ice too as far as I'm concerned.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)...about Schumer too. Doesn't mean we need a wholesale house clean. But we need to look, to have the conversation. The last campaign was not run well. I know, I know, she won by 3M votes and that matters but the Democratic leadership needed to be screaming about gerrymandering 20 years ago. Just as one example.
And Democrats have lost the mantel of being THE Party of Jobs. That has to change.
FarPoint
(12,469 posts)This is just right wing flamebait. Pelosi is fine....
pirateshipdude
(967 posts)We hear from both sides. What I do know, is it is not a "good" Democrat with the statements he has made about Pelosi and he is wrong. He ran against her and lost. That matters, listening to what he has to say.
FarPoint
(12,469 posts)Not any of our Democrats.. I will support all Democrats....we need to get a majority before we start splitting hypothetical hairs of irrelevant issues.
pirateshipdude
(967 posts)It is part of the conversation for "support all Democrats".
When a Democrat or outsider are about tainting our party, then the hypocritical hairs have to be called out to avoid creating a false premise.
JustAnotherGen
(31,969 posts)I can't remember if it was Wednesday or yesterday that I was listening to him on Sirius on my way into work.
He specifically stated something along the lines of 'southern state pro life candidate should be okay'.
I'm all for regional approaches - but does this guy EVER touch on anything that is of value to anyone outside of the Midwest or South?
He should NEVER be the leader of the Democratic Party. Stupak Amendment is a line for me that he crossed.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)rogue emissary
(3,148 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)LonePirate
(13,431 posts)TeapotInATempest
(804 posts)But sometimes you have to decide not to try to tear your own party apart for the greater good, as you said. Ryan's clearly not interested in the greater good, but I think he's picked the wrong woman to retaliate against.
bresue
(1,007 posts)For 2 years, nobody even heard from him...what has he done for the party or for unity? He finds things wrong...but does he provide a solution besides the fact of changing leadership?
BannonsLiver
(16,530 posts)Ryan was within his right to run against Pelosi but I don't care for his tone lately.
Hekate
(90,901 posts)The guy can go to hell
denbot
(9,901 posts)Pelosi will regain the Speakers Gavel next cycle.
Cha
(297,851 posts)nini
(16,672 posts)He needs to shut the hell up.
lamp_shade
(14,850 posts)I don't like him.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)In fact, I actively despise him.
skylucy
(3,746 posts)Tim Ryan is acting like a kindergartner who hasn't learned how to be a gracious loser. I've watched him be interviewed on TV lately and he is NOT impressive at all. He needs to get over himself.
Me.
(35,454 posts)But it just makes him look dumb
skylucy
(3,746 posts)Yet he thinks he's a leader. Well, I bet Rice is just using him and will kick him in the pants when it suits her own ambition.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Big Whiner
Wounded Bear
(58,755 posts)I mean, Pelosi is the Minority Leader for this session, all of it. I don't see Ryan being able to drive some silly "no confidence" vote on her. After '18 there will be another chance to elect a leader, hopefully Speaker of the House. If someone can beat Nancy in a fair vote, more power to them. But for now, she's the leader of House Dems. Arguing it now just breeds dissension at a time we need some party cohesion.