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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRepublicans think that liberals are literally communists, but communist Russia
Is there goddamn friend. How the fuck did that happen?
Efilroft Sul
(3,579 posts)Russia performed an act of mental jiu-jitsu on the so-called patriots to turn them into the Red, White, and Borscht.
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)WTF?
unblock
(52,209 posts)It's crony capitalism, and it works very well for the few cronies.
Benedict Donald and the republicans just want to be among those few cronies, or at least be benefactors.
Also, they want to remake America in Russia's image.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)And spent what, trillions? Fighting the creep of communism, which was sponsored by the Russians . Okay, the USSR. Now the creepy guy that sold off the state owned assets at fire sale prices to himself and his friends is trying to drag us down to modern Russia's depressed level. If anybody paid attention to Russia in the 90s, they would see this for exactly what it is.
unblock
(52,209 posts)He's trying to turn us into a puppet state of the remnants of a failed communist empire.
I'm no fan of Reagan (and don't believe he deserve much credit for the collapse of the ussr) but can you imagine what he'd say? We defeated the Soviet Union only to surrender to what's left of Russia?
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)They kind of busted out in Afghanistan , and then the oligarchs gave themselves every bit of the commons.
To be honest though, I'm sure we've done the USSR and Russia dirty, ourselves. This game's been going on for a long, long time.
unblock
(52,209 posts)The ussr collapsed under its own weight, incapable of supporting an overly large military with an empire that simply wasn't sufficiently profitable.
America did have a large hand in that, but really that was 70 years of democrats and republicans alike sustaining an arms race and proxy wars that kept them spending themselves into oblivion. But they would have had to spend a lot on their military anyway just to keep their satellite states in line.
70 years of republicans and democrats saying we will defeat them because capitalism is better then communism. Then when it happens, suddenly it's not because capitalism is better, it's because Reagan made a speech. Oh, and Afghanistan. As if that wasn't just another part of that 70 year bipartisan strategy. Sheesh.
And yeah, we've obviously done worse meddling in other countries. Dunno about Russia, though. Certainly putin's not our guy....
Voltaire2
(13,027 posts)Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)Prehaps totalitarian is a better term!
Voltaire2
(13,027 posts)And certainly not communist in all but name. Russia is yet another authoritarian, not totalitarian, state. It is a corrupt capitalist representative democracy. Very corrupt. Barely representative.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)At least for all intents and purposes.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)They've gone the other direction. Close relationships with powerful oligarchs, the state sponsored racism and bigotry, the pushing of extreme conservative religion as part of focusing public anger on other groups... They even have the genocidal campaign against lgbtq people.
It's more in line with Nazi Germany than any Communist state. It's a big reason Hitler admirer Trump is so enamored with Putin.
Initech
(100,068 posts)tenderfoot
(8,426 posts)with the added bonus of being openly racist, homophobic and anti-semitic.
What's not to like for a US right winger?
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)and the Rethugs look up to them as examples.
bresue
(1,007 posts)Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)they never attained a real communist society.
Libertarianism and Communism are two faces of the same coin.
Neither are attainable for the same reasons....people will inevitably abuse them because people are always corruptible.
Modern Russia is just a rebranded totalitarian version of the Soviet Union without the trappings of the communist state to cover the corrupt leadership.
I suspect that the conservatives hatred of communism was not really about hatred but about jealousy.
American conservatism is really just about using and exploiting others, greed, and abject selfishness.
Just another version of the Putin's corrupt state. That is why fat fascist 45 like him so much, he wants to be just like him.
Baitball Blogger
(46,704 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,181 posts)Under the guise of a psuedo-democracy.
Hell, even under the USSR it was only nominally Marxist for much of its existence.