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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump won every surprise swing state by the same 1% margin.
That 1% margin was just low enough to avoid audits.
Way too "coincidental" says a lot of us.
whadda ya think????
Hekate
(90,865 posts)OhNo-Really
(3,985 posts)All they needed was someone willing to boldface lie to the working men and women, a pruned power hungry opportunist, and a heartless poor hater - Trump, McConnell, and Ryan to lead the way.
Do a google search for
"80 Year Plan" "war on error" dailykos
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elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)Maraya1969
(22,507 posts)I wouldn't say that but Trump would. They would say it if it were Democrats doing this.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)JoeOtterbein
(7,702 posts)I know I'm sounding old!
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Response to JoeOtterbein (Reply #3)
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TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)Fla_Democrat
(2,547 posts)I haven't seen him in almost 20 years......
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)You know, just takin' it easy.
gtar100
(4,192 posts)What are they so afraid of that they can't handle verified elections. Obviously they know deep down that their ideology lacks integrity. So they are more than happy to continue with the shoddy system we have in place today because they are the benefactors of the lying, cheating and stealing.
3catwoman3
(24,072 posts)...just for good measure.
iluvtennis
(19,882 posts)IronLionZion
(45,563 posts)at some point in the process it will have to become electronic, and that is where they will do it.
JoeOtterbein
(7,702 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)ballot based election before.
Nihil sub sole novum. At best, electronic voting is simply cheaper to manipulate. Assuming they can manipulate it.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)paper ballots are not necessarily more secure. They can catch fire, be shredded, stolen, etc.
TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)more concerned about the ease and massive scale of tampering possible with machines.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I work in a related industry. We build software that withstands attacks, for money, every damn day all day long.
The platform and its attack surface reflects the amount of money invested in it.
I would argue, the old paper ballot system has just as large, if not a larger attack surface. Paper and Electronic voting, as employed in the US, both need additional security and audit mechanisms. Both.
You do not solve this problem by reverting to paper ballots. You just make the problem look different, and maybe more expensive to certain parties.
planetc
(7,845 posts)whathehell
(29,096 posts)You're sounding smart.
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)Despite what some naysayers believe!
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)all unexpectedly swung to Trump by the same 1% margin, do uou think?
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)Yes those events are unlikely enough to warrant scrutiny. Possibly not quite as unlikely as they seem but overall concerning.
Voltaire2
(13,213 posts)that were all in a statistical dead heat went to trump? Please show the math.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)Using SPSS. We'd need previous results from hacked/altered/rigged/"curiously resulted" elections, presumably from Western democracies. It could theoretically be done, though.
I'm a really lousy statistician, though
Yupster
(14,308 posts)that being New Hampshire by .3 %
Don't know how you'd do that calculation.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)If this election had massively defied the markets, I'd have though the fix was in too. I consider this better than exit polls.
Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)So true and I am totally stealing it.
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)Stinky The Clown
(67,832 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)For now we have evidence voters were microtargeted with Facebook ads to suppress votes for Hillary.
We know from BuzzFeed and WaPo that Russians hacked voter rolls, stealing private data that could be used for microtargeting.
We also know from FBI, Comey that Russians hacked DCCC and stole voter targeting data.
We know Russians stole emails and weaponized them.
We know from FBI that Putin ordered this.
That's enough to make the election illegitimate. Let's focus on that.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)I have heard nothing about the election results being illegal.
One would think the Dems would be talking about it at least.
All I hear is "meddiling Russia".
TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)need to go.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)At what point do we stop throwing out things that can possibly be manipulated by externalities?
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)So it's probably best to focus on suppression for now. Until we have other evidence about 2016.
In the meantime: paper ballots for 2018.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,026 posts)hamsterjill
(15,224 posts)We all know it. We just haven't been able to prove it...yet.
I firmly believe that the election was stolen from Hillary. I think there are people in power (even Dems now) who know this and are afraid of what it would mean for this country if that fact were leaked and proven. There is no precedent for this, no set path forward, etc. Nothing in the constitution that covers a stolen election.
It would produce chaos. But, isn't chaos what we are experiencing now almost anyway?
NRaleighLiberal
(60,026 posts)magnitude.
hamsterjill
(15,224 posts)But it did happen. Someone better figure out where we go from here. Because I see chaos on the horizon if there isn't some sense of freedom restored. If we go past the 2018 elections and people still wonder if their vote actually is counted, I don't know what will happen.
Don't get me wrong. Don't put words in my mouth. Please. I am NOT advocating violence.
But the situation where someone does become violent because they have been pushed with their back up against a wall and feel hopeless to change anything is going to become more commonplace than ever before.
My comment is merely acknowledging that I see that type of behavior on the horizon if things are not fixed. And I don't expect things to get fixed.
BzaDem
(11,142 posts)The margins of victory were all less than one percent (0.2, 0.7, and 0.8). Furthermore, in Wisconsin (with the margin of 0.8), there was a statewide recount, with a significant portion done by hand, with a negligible shift (towards Trump I believe).
TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)or areas which due to repug control, are highly unlikely to be recounted by hand. some people are extremely eager to trust the machines blindly, IMO. not me.
BzaDem
(11,142 posts)There are no paperless machines in Wisconsin. The vast majority of voters manually fill out their ballots, which are scanned with optical scanners. A very small portion use electronic voting machines that leave a paper trail.
Furthermore, in 65% of counties, the recount was done entirely by hand. It was done partially by hand in 18% of counties. Only 17% of counties did their recounts entirely by machine. (And as for your claim that Republican counties are highly unlikely to be recounted by hand, that is obviously false, since 65% of the counties were recounted entirely by hand, and Democrats only won in 17% of the counties.)
rgbecker
(4,834 posts)17% of counties did their recounts entirely by machine. (Your post).
We are supposed to accept the machine recount because why?
BzaDem
(11,142 posts)after the election how to count, are laughably low. The process of counting votes always involves people of both parties counting, testing any machines used, and observing. So not only would such supposed riggers need to get extroidinarily lucky -- they would need to involve a lot of people from both parties, and get every single one of them to stay quiet. The odds of getting caught would be extremely high (it just takes one leaker), and the odds of success would be miniscule. This is further compounded by the fact that no one knew in advance which states would be decisive or close.
In short, if someone is the type of person that believes we never really landed on the moon, I could totally see them being persuaded that the Wisconsin vote was actually rigged despite the recount. But if someone uses logic and reason to evaluate arguments, they would necessarily laugh such conspiracy theories out of the room.
TomVilmer
(1,832 posts)TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)so the odds of this are quite good, wouldn't you say.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Seriously. No white hat or blue hat hackers in the crowd? JUST 'bad guys' on the other side of the political fence?
Security reviews by election boards have resulted in updates to these machines, because they are free to pull in outside, independent experts for code and hardware review. There are certainly some problems, but the election board is a great watchdog that is bipartisan, and in a position to ensure the machines are stored, and the removable media sealed, appropriately.
review called out open ports, undocumented/convoluted code modules, etc. I'm actually surprised how decent the machines are.
TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)that generally it is hard to get a recount, and #2, it was not a complete hand recount, so you certainly can not say that the true result would not have changed by .8%. nobody knows with computer voting; you are obviously okay with that; i'm not.
ladjf
(17,320 posts)suston96
(4,175 posts)Control-Z
(15,682 posts)forensics should have begun Nov 9.
suston96
(4,175 posts)Since there doesn't seem to be any detailed or direct remedy for such an abomination committed against the republic the forensics can at the very least establish and record the election fraud.
The people can then demand action by the courts and/or the congress as appropriate.
Or by a constitutional convention.
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)diva77
(7,667 posts)If you can't be in Indianapolis with protest signs on July 7th at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway 5 pm as the secretaries of state meet to have their posh party paid for by voting equipment vendors and other corporate sponsors , then send protest letters demanding elections that are transparent with integrity held with paper ballots hand counted at the precinct level. Roster of SOS's here:
http://www.nass.org/index.php/about-nass/alt-roster-2016/
stephensolomita
(91 posts)Following your lead, I attempted to contact my Secretary of State, Rosanna Rosado. Unfortunately, you can only contact the various agencies in the New York Department of State, not individuals. Myself, I feel the fight for free and fair elections is only beginning. And we should remember that, historically, stuffing ballot boxes was a common practice.
diva77
(7,667 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 25, 2017, 11:39 PM - Edit history (1)
is like the difference between retail and wholesale --
stuffing ballot boxes cannot be accomplished in every precinct with no witnesses as easily as shaving votes can be done in every precinct silently with malicious code where the process is un-observable.
With public oversight, cameras, strict chain of custody, results posted at precinct before ballots leave polling place, etc., ballot box security can be dramatically improved.
With voting machines - including DREs, optical scanners, central tabulators the malicious code can enter the system numerous ways and elections officials have been trained to make recounts impossible
stephensolomita
(91 posts)For all the reasons you've provided, stuffing ballot boxes died out some time ago, although it should be remembered that Kennedy was elected in 1960 because Mayor Daley in Chicago voted the dead. I only meant, however, that election fraud has a long history in the United States.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)The great thing about switched voted, they count twice, plus one in column A and minus one in column B. That 80,000 vote margin is only a 40,000 voters difference.
diva77
(7,667 posts)just trying to grasp the finer points!
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)If 40,000 voters counted as Trump votes are switched to Clinton, she wins. And, if 40,000 votes for Clinton were switched to Trump, that's all that was needed to alter the election.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)50 Shades Of Blue
(10,064 posts)Amaryllis
(9,526 posts)letter than handed him the election; it was a combo of RUssian and repub shenanigans.
malaise
(269,219 posts)dalton99a
(81,637 posts)bitterross
(4,066 posts)I'm not a real statistician, but I did enough stats and quantitative analysis courses in college to be suspicious of that.
Jim__
(14,089 posts)Link to the story: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/swing-state-margins/
<excerpt>
?c=866
<Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin>
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________
This election was effectively decided by 107,000 people in these three states. Trump won the popular vote there by that combined amount. That amounts to 0.09 percent of all votes cast in this election.
</excerpt>
George II
(67,782 posts)...then at around 10 PM the "big four" flipped to trump all in a matter of 10-15 minutes. Not a coincidence in my mind.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Yupster
(14,308 posts)I was surprised how early the campaign and Obama knew it was pretty much over.
We were sitting there at 2 am and they knew it was over hours ahead of that.
Just to summarize, an old Arkansas friend called Bill Clinton early in the night and told him they were in horrible trouble in Florida. That surprised the campaign because they thought the numbers were coming in not great, but good enough to win. The guy said they weren't catching Trump's numbers in the rural districts. He wasn't just winning those, he was dominating, winning small counties by 25,000 votes which Romney won by 3,000.
Each hour Mook did a conference call with the key campaign guys updating the numbers. By 8 pm, everyone knew they were in big trouble, by the 9 pm call it sounded like hope instead of facts.
Mandy Grunwald asked Mook early in the night how things looked. He said it wasn't as good as they exp[ected but the model was holding. Grunwald said it didn't look like the model was holding to her.
Bill's Arkansas friend said he was looking at a particular county in Florida where most of the people came from the Mid-west. They were going heavy for Trump. Then the next question was would that trend also show up in the Mid-west? Once the campaign saw it was, they knew it was over.
It's a pretty interesting read. Pretty much must reading for us geeks.
One surprise was I didn't realize Obama called her campaign twice during the night trying to get her to concede. Also interesting why Hillary didn't speak that night and how Podesta was chosen to go out and speak.
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)The assertion in a post in this thread that Hillary was leading the key swing states until all of them flipped on cue is utter bullshit.
I was following Florida expert Steve Schale on Twitter. His early tweets were positive enough, indicating that Hillary was faring well in the huge Florida counties. He expected Hillary to carry Florida by 1-2%. Then he added some caution, saying Trump was exceeding expectation in exurban counties and the state would be tighter than his initial estimate.
Then there was a very long pause between tweets. It was something like 20 or 25 minutes. Maybe slightly more. It was during that delay that I got nervous for the first time. It couldn't be good news, considering his prior pace. Sure enough, when he returned there was ominous news and tone. Schale reported that Trump was pulling better percentages in 47 different Florida counties than any Republican nominee from 2000 forth.
At that point I hadn't given up but I was absolutely numb. I knew what it meant. This was not isolated. The angry white males and rural voters were avalanching against Hillary, beyond all projection. At that point the state polls that everyone had relied on meant nothing.
Now Hillary had to sweep the board in the midwest, instead of Trump needing to sweep. I didn't consider Ohio because that state wasn't legitimately in play. There was one website tracking projected results in each state, given current tallies and sophisticated estimates of the outstanding vote. I wish I remembered what site that was. It was being linked on Nate Silver's site by Nate and the guys who were also live tweeting there. Anyway, I took one look at the Michigan projections and it was so disastrous I got sick and basically gave up. This was either slightly before or slightly after 9 PM. I'm not sure which. My neighbor soon knocked on my door with a stunned expression and asked what the hell was going on. I told him it was over. Then another friend started texting me. That was wild because I seldom text. He was likewise stunned and looking for any positive vibe. I told him it was over. I started packing for a trip scheduled for the next morning. That second friend continued to text for another hour. He was watching the networks, who apparently were being cautious. I had the TV off and the computer off. Every time he texted with some hope I told him to forget about it. Finally when the texts stopped at 10 PM or thereabouts I sensed that he finally realized it was over.
I haven't read that Shattered book. Maybe soon but I'm still not ready. This was an unforced error. Anybody who was going to be the nominee of this party had to realize post-2014 that a message was desperately needed toward the simplistic angry white males, designed to hold onto merely a few more percent of them. I'll be forever astonished that we didn't see it coming.
Yupster
(14,308 posts)They had the same looks okay, getting closer, oh crap that you had.
bucolic_frolic
(43,364 posts)He knew.
kyburbonkid
(251 posts)that he has a propensity to brag about secrets. He's dense enough to tweet that he knows personally that it's rigged... almost certaintly from his close Russian contacts!
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)He is a master at manipulation though. I just can't believe it wouldn't have been caught long before now.
broadcaster90210
(333 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 25, 2017, 08:13 PM - Edit history (1)
All appointments made and laws passed are illegitimate. There is no United States government.
But the question is ....
What do we do about it?
SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)And remember when he defied ALL strategic wisdom and visited certain states? My take is Bannon got hacked Russian info from his old company, passed it to Kushner who crunched the numbers with his voter data base and voila suddenly a trip to a non starter state that he was predicted to lose BIG time.
Follow the $.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)What does the country do when there's a Russian infiltrator in the Presidency? He's been "elected" (note that Putin was "elected" repeatedly, always by a YUGE margin).
Normally, we have the checks and balances of the Congress, but we don't because the Republicans are in on it because of greed.
The judiciary is one part of the checks and balances. That requires "the people" to file very costly litigation. And of course, the last stop, the U.S. S.Ct., is now packed with the same party, one even chosen by the infiltrator himself.
There are the Democrats, but they have little power.
Let's hope the Dems pick up a lot of seats in 2018. More than hope. That must happen.
mnhtnbb
(31,408 posts)where all these factors were identified:
http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/youre-not-just-imagining-it-the-hillary-clinton-vs-donald-trump-vote-totals-do-look-rigged/104/
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Please show the states and vote totals you are using to support that claim.
"That 1% margin was just low enough to avoid audits." - you don't get recounts if the margin is too big,
you get recounts if it is too small. Your claim should be "was just high enough to avoid audits".
Jim__
(14,089 posts)Wikipedia has the totals by state: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2016
The difference in Michigan was 0.23%, Pennsylvania 0.77%, and Wisconsin 0.72%
rzemanfl
(29,573 posts)Jill Stein vote. Wonder why she was in Moscow with Flynn?
kyburbonkid
(251 posts)The election was hacked... It was a very coordinated and staged attack. Stage 1, attack Hillary on character and trust issues with the Email hacks... Stage 2, Troll social media, plant fake news etc, AM Radio, media. Stage 3, Grab voter information identify targets and machine types to hack. Stage 4. Hack the state election systems... Plant voter machine attack vectors on election worker systems. Use USB infection techniques (similar to Stuxnet worm). Stage 5 (post election) Game over, evaluate success/failure and cover up tracks.
Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)If you were looking for the easiest least noticeable theft of an election...these would be the numbers to use.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,026 posts)Girard442
(6,086 posts)Seems there's been a hell of a lot of those in the recent past (think Florida 2000). I've puzzled over how this could be done and come up completely dry. Any of you statistics/voting methodology/data processing/communication/hacker geeks got anything?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Of course Trump won by a small percent in so-called "SURPRISE" states. It was close in those states, hence winner was going to win by small percentage. To me, states like Ohio were a surprise state. Trump won by over 8%.
Yupster
(14,308 posts)If you read "Shattered," you'd see that they considered Iowa and Ohio lost a week before the election.
mythology
(9,527 posts)This is another conspiracy theory that ignores the evidence. Coincidence in this case, mostly just seems to mean not including relevant facts to fit the theory.
Also apparently they forget to "steal" New Hampshire.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)lose in 2018, 2020, 2022, . . . . . Fact is, we lost and not because of vote tally hacking.
You'd think by now people would realize the Palmer Report is mostly junk.
standingtall
(2,787 posts)of Florida,Michigan,Penn,and Wisconsin. Ohio was not a true swing state by election day anyway. There may have been some polling that showed a 1% race,but generally it polled about 5 points in favor of Trump. New Hampshire is so few electoral votes that it was not even relevant republicans didn't even need to steal that one.
Close or not the odds of Trump sweeping Penn,Wisconsin,Michigan and Florida were extremely long given he was the underdog in all 4 of them.
onenote
(42,782 posts)Florida (29) plus one of the following - Michigan (16), Wisconsin (10), or Pennsylvania (20) would have put Trump at 270 or better. So why steal Wisconsin (with 10 electoral votes) but not Minnesota (also 10). Why not buffer the margin with New Hampshire (4).
There is a reason these are referred to as swing states. Obama barely won Florida in 2012. With Ohio looking solid for Trump towards the end of the campaign, the fact that other Midwest states could go either way (particularly given the unpredictable factor of third party candidates siphoning off votes) is not surprising
standingtall
(2,787 posts)they could also leave a note for us on the machines they hacked that said hacked machines. Why bother stealing anything extra? How about for an electoral cushion. Trump got 306 electoral votes,but 2 members of the electoral college refused to vote for him giving him only 304 electoral votes. Without Mich and Penn he would lose 36 electoral votes. 304-36=268 not enough to win the Presidency without congress. Also you will never convince me Minn was a swing state in 2016. They could've tampered with the margins in states Clinton won like Virginia and Minnesota to make their cheating look less obvious.
onenote
(42,782 posts)If the outcome was pre-ordained by theft, even your assumptions about faithless electors doesn't establish the need to steal Wisconsin as well as Michigan and Penn. In fact, merely stealing Pennsylvania and Florida would be more than enough, notwithstanding the faithless electors. (304-26 (WI and Mich) = 278
standingtall
(2,787 posts)if there would be any at all,but they would've wanted a broad cushion.
onenote
(42,782 posts)The idea (suggested in the OP) that all of the swing states were decided by the "same" margin already has been debunked. The notion that there were folks sitting behind some console pressing buttons to determine precisely how many votes went to Trump, to Clinton, to Johnson and to Stein in order to guarantee the outcome if six states is not credible. There were six swing states decided by 1.5 percent or less. Two went to Clinton; four to Trump. Shit happens and it happened in November.
standingtall
(2,787 posts)night. Republicans should've had no chance of pulling that one off without blatant cheating. Think of it like a basketball game with one team being down by 5 with 2 seconds left. The losing team sinks a 3 at the buzzer making the score a close looking 2 point game,but in reality they had no chance. I don't care the that op said Trump one every surprise swing state by the same 1% margin and one state might have have been 0.7% and another 1.2% that's just nit picking.
bresue
(1,007 posts)Pretty fascinating to follow!
prairierose
(2,145 posts)take a lot of planning. It is not luck, it is not miraculous.....it is planning and hacking of the highest order.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)He won by less than 1%, not exactly by 1%.
onenote
(42,782 posts)PA- .7
MI - .23
WI - .77
FL - 1.2
MN - 1.5
NH .3
The last two are states won by Clinton. Also, it's hardly surprising that swing states would have close election results, particularly with third party candidates siphoning away a few percentage points from the main contenders. In 2008, Obama won NC by .3 percent and 2012 he won Florida by only .88. Close elections happen. And I have no idea what the reference to 1 percent and audits in the OP means. The automatic recount thresholds vary in these swing states, but I don't think 1 percent is the threshold in any of them.
Amazing how many DUers simply accepted the premise of the OP (across the board "1 percent" victories in swing states) as true without even checking.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)But he almost won here.
These conspiracy theories make us look like Trump. Sounds like I'm being a jerk, but is it not true without hard evidence?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)cilla4progress
(24,783 posts)REMEMBER!
tiptonic
(765 posts)I can't image how that happened. Very strange!! He is so lucky.
Alice11111
(5,730 posts)Now, how to get someone to see it, like Mueller, before he is fired.
RestoreAmerica2020
(3,439 posts)Last edited Mon Jun 26, 2017, 01:55 AM - Edit history (1)
Something is rotten in the state of Denmark! Is that why the liar-bigot, know-nothing very mal hombre (bad man) is squirming because la verdad, the truth WILL come out and expose him for what he is -- a criminal. On election night we all knew something was amiss. Lock him up! Lock them up!
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)that there ARE NO coincidences. It's taken many years and many unbelievable occurrences to burn that thought into my brain.
joet67
(624 posts)of this around election time. Thought it was the RNC using the backdoors they installed under HAVA. Just didn't know they hired it out to Russia.
downeastdaniel
(497 posts)jimlup
(7,968 posts)that my intuition that something seriously wrong happened on election night is absolutely correct.
We all felt it. It was stunning and "what happened". Heck, even Trump and his campaign staff were not prepared for it. They had a little ball room and no victory speech.
catbyte
(34,485 posts)He "won" By 10.7K votes out of almost 5M votes cast. The Republican Secretary of State threw almost 188K voters--mainly from urban areas--off the rolls in the months leading up to the election. When they began the recount here, 45* was ahead by 13.7K votes; as the recount went on, he lost almost 1/3 of those votes then Attorney General Bill Schutte (R-Asshole) sued to stop the recount. All hackers would have to do is flip a few votes in critical precincts then nobody's the wiser.
This reeks. I'm convinced we've been a victim of a coup d'etat. I'd be willing to see reliable evidence to the contrary, though.
Mrs. Overall
(6,839 posts)onenote
(42,782 posts)The claim in the OP is false.
Mrs. Overall
(6,839 posts)cubbies01
(85 posts)1) Let's not forget, in addition to the interesting magical slim margins that kept breaking Trumps way, she was ahead in almost all polls for MI, WI and PA. Many in Florida and NC too.
2) I think the election was for sure hacked, and we know it. You look at what the Russians were bragging about beforehand, comparing it to the advent of nuclear weapon, and I guarantee you that was not about bots targeting naive Americans on social media. They had figured out and tested and were going to use it to put Trump in place.
3) Makes you wonder if they were helping him in primary too early on, as their testing.
4) The country almost has to hide this, which is why it I being buried. The alternative is too hard to admit. We were cyber attacked by Russia and they changed the votes and outcome of the presidential election would cause significant unrest, chaos and bloodshed.
5) Last week when the BS line that "Trump only won Osoff's district by 1.5%" really has to make you wonder. Because the republican congressional candidate won by 26%. Think about it, this is one of the most Republican districts in the US and a bigly portion did not vote for Trump.
6) They must laugh at how easy it was, the road map was all but given to them the entire election. They just had to target hacking a very small portion of our vulnerable machines and operations in 4-5 swing states and create a small win for Trump in each one.
7) The Federal government has to step in and protect election systems at a National Level. No State can be expected to thwart or even recognize a sophisticate cyber hacking from our biggest enemy
8) Nothing is being done.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)The media and the vast majority of people are so blasé about how we vote, about our voting procedures. One might think it would be a good idea to have a nationwide foolproof system to ensure reliable results. But no, we have a hodgepodge of arcane procedures ripe for malfeasance.
Why this is is beyond me.
sagesnow
(2,824 posts)is happily sitting on the Voting Machines.
adigal
(7,581 posts)I remember seeing it come up in my twitter feed.
annielion
(15 posts)We cannot trust our voting systems. US elections rank last among all Western democracies.
https://www.electoralintegrityproject.com/eip-blogs/2017/1/7/its-even-worse-than-the-news-about-north-carolina-american-elections-rank-last-among-all-western-democracies
Once the results were "official" no one was allowed to recount all the ballots in Wisconsin or Michigan, nor was anyone allowed to look at the voting machines used in Pennsylvania. Exit polls (which are reputed to be accurate in every country but ours!) indicated Hillary won all three states (among others).
usaf-vet
(6,217 posts)it is nearly impossible to get to the truth because the "decks" are stacked. Republicans have taken the reins of every important batch of government. Which come first the chicken or the egg. Citizen United then stolen (purchased) democracy.
One Trump cohort said on national TV that Walker had rigged 5 election including his recall election.
hueymahl
(2,510 posts)Alex Jones would be proud.
brooklynite
(94,792 posts)DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)I wouldn't have guessed that in a million years.
brooklynite
(94,792 posts)Makes perfect sense.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Not by a mile.
spanone
(135,900 posts)Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)He is the expert on Florida voting trends. Since this site was down I was looking at Schale's twitter and Nate Silver's site, where they had various people tweeting on important trends.
Everything seemed fine until Schale posted this tweet:
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
Note the comments immediately below, including one from Schale himself. That indeed was the first hint of danger. I still didn't realize how bad it was until Schale took a very long pause before tweeting that Trump was pulling better margins in 47 different Florida counties than any Republican from 2000 forth. At that point I basically knew the election was over. This was not going to be isolated. The reason Nate Silver had Hillary's win likelihood so comparatively low compared to conventional wisdom was his emphasis that if the polls were wrong it would likely impact one swing state after another, and not a single example. He repeated that many times prior to election day.
HenryWallace
(332 posts)Russia, Russia, Russia.....