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John Schindler and Claude Taylor on Twitter this morning: (Original Post) Shell_Seas Jun 2017 OP
Oh, wouldn't this be so nice. I am not holding out anything will happen to Trump, pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #1
Yeah - two different things Cosmocat Jun 2017 #20
The investigation must take out the rot at the top of the GOP or the USA is toast. CrispyQ Jun 2017 #37
Ford Pardons Nixon rurallib Jun 2017 #27
This is how I see it, also. Eom pirateshipdude Jun 2017 #38
as long as the pardon is more specific than "unindicted co-conspiritor" i mopinko Jun 2017 #42
If Trump doing time is what the feckless base of the GOP wants, that's what will happen. LanternWaste Jun 2017 #43
Pence can't pardon Trump for a state crime. LOL Lib Jun 2017 #46
Maybe not, but they most surely will try, I bet rurallib Jun 2017 #49
You know they would try something! LOL Lib Jun 2017 #50
Would that logo be that Family Crest that Trump stole from another family and just started using it politicaljunkie41910 Jun 2017 #61
That or his gaudy gold "TRUMP" name. LOL Lib Jun 2017 #68
But Nixon wasn't accused of NY State crimes that Ford couldn't pardon. pnwmom Jun 2017 #52
Not if he is convicted of a state crime! DarleenMB Jun 2017 #57
republican traitors against the USA should be Achilleaze Jun 2017 #2
No offense but...... awesomerwb1 Jun 2017 #3
Jared has lawyers. They advise. He might also think he has friends who can keep confidentialities. WinkyDink Jun 2017 #5
I wonder if Trump leakers get $$ for leaks... OR... Shell_Seas Jun 2017 #6
We shouldn't be surprised at this push for attention. Hortensis Jun 2017 #31
I couldn't agree more. nt DesertRat Jun 2017 #36
exactly, and IF they were going to spread the rumors grantcart Jun 2017 #41
Maybe its Mike Flynn and he's just stating the obvious. Maybe he feels used by the Trump admin. politicaljunkie41910 Jun 2017 #63
First Tweet can mean only Jared Kushner. And he is familiar with the incarceration thingie. WinkyDink Jun 2017 #4
That's what I thought, too. Shell_Seas Jun 2017 #7
I'm not holding my breath, Borchkins Jun 2017 #8
I'm sorry, but I don't believe this for a second. Bleacher Creature Jun 2017 #9
Schindler isn't saying Trump believes this. He says someone else in the "inner circle" believes it. pnwmom Jun 2017 #11
Ahh, that makes sense. I read it too quickly - sorry! NT Bleacher Creature Jun 2017 #16
no, he is just making shit up so people "follow" him LOL snooper2 Jun 2017 #18
That is sooo easy to say and impossible to back up. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #29
Yours is a most ironic allegation. LanternWaste Jun 2017 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author Kathy M Jun 2017 #69
Trump hasn't said it. If you read the tweet carefully berni_mccoy Jun 2017 #13
I misread it. Sorry!! NT Bleacher Creature Jun 2017 #17
NSA Counterintelligence Officer... Shell_Seas Jun 2017 #15
Reality is what it is independent of your beliefs. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #28
Huh, I misread the tweet and readily admitted to it. Bleacher Creature Jun 2017 #44
Strange isn't it? melman Jun 2017 #54
BS... JenniferJuniper Jun 2017 #10
The NY attorney general is investigating trump related financial crimes, and those wouldn't be pnwmom Jun 2017 #12
Actually, Trump is not immune to the laws in the United States. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #33
.......... YoungDemCA Jun 2017 #14
patience MissKat Jun 2017 #19
Six years? More like two. Watergate break-in on 6/17/72. Nixon resignation on 8/8/74. LonePirate Jun 2017 #22
Nixon was elected in 68 DefenseLawyer Jun 2017 #24
Or Perhaps... flotsam Jun 2017 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Kathy M Jun 2017 #72
'Trusted member of tRump'sinner circle' enid602 Jun 2017 #21
this is probably crap ...... flying-skeleton Jun 2017 #23
That is sooo easy to say and impossible to back up. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #26
I don't know Schindler SpankMe Jun 2017 #30
Very entertaining, but unlikely..... Kleveland Jun 2017 #32
You don't seem to hate to be a skeptic. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #34
If it sounds too good to be true....it usually is Freethinker65 Jun 2017 #35
I trust Taylor and Schindler. Batship Jun 2017 #39
Because when he said six weeks ago that arrests would be coming "soon" he was right? onenote Jun 2017 #64
Define soon? Shell_Seas Jun 2017 #70
Soon generally doesn't mean some inefinite time in the future. onenote Jun 2017 #73
Entertaining stuff for a Monday morning. L. Coyote Jun 2017 #40
Well, if he listens to Warren Zevon he can't be all bad. Ligyron Jun 2017 #66
I hope this is true. We need all the help we can get. Amaryllis Jun 2017 #47
Too bad for 45 we now have an extradition treaty with Paraguay. QED Jun 2017 #48
Cornered rat RestoreAmerica2020 Jun 2017 #51
Like: Shell_Seas Jun 2017 #56
Fake shit to get us spreading rumors then to use us as examples of fake news. If it is true nikibatts Jun 2017 #53
Food around the corner bucolic_frolic Jun 2017 #55
Well, it sure seems to be a movable feast. Ligyron Jun 2017 #67
I can't believe some of you all believe this garbage OKNancy Jun 2017 #58
And what should we believe? Shell_Seas Jun 2017 #59
You should believe people who have a history OKNancy Jun 2017 #60
Mensch wasn't linked on here. I agree though, Mensch is not a reliable source. However, Shell_Seas Jun 2017 #62
Yup. I can't believe it either... Agschmid Jun 2017 #65
Fool me once... Dem2 Jun 2017 #71
 

pirateshipdude

(967 posts)
1. Oh, wouldn't this be so nice. I am not holding out anything will happen to Trump,
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 11:34 AM
Jun 2017

or Republicans; but, I sure would like to see them suffer repercussions.

Cosmocat

(14,529 posts)
20. Yeah - two different things
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 12:36 PM
Jun 2017

these scumbags being dirty as sin, which is pretty darn obvious at this point, in too many ways to count.

AND ...

Something actually happening to them.

Too many people don't get how close we are to republicans just saying "fuck it" and going COMPLETELY (cause one foot is already) off the norms of american government reservation.

CrispyQ

(35,943 posts)
37. The investigation must take out the rot at the top of the GOP or the USA is toast.
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 01:29 PM
Jun 2017

I hope that's what the IC is working toward.

mopinko

(69,535 posts)
42. as long as the pardon is more specific than "unindicted co-conspiritor" i
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 02:16 PM
Jun 2017

might be good w it. a true list of his high crimes, and prison sentence for a couple dozen minions and i MIGHT feel like justice was done.

i need a frog march and an orange suit to be truly satisfied that justice is blind, tho.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
43. If Trump doing time is what the feckless base of the GOP wants, that's what will happen.
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 02:18 PM
Jun 2017

"Pence pardons Trump..."

If, and only if it's politically expedient. If Trump doing time is what the feckless base of the GOP wants, that's what will happen. If Trump doing time assists the GOP in what will have to be a re-branding of their image, that is what will happen.

Additionally, though Nixon commanded little loyalty, Trump commands none.

LOL Lib

(1,462 posts)
46. Pence can't pardon Trump for a state crime.
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 02:21 PM
Jun 2017

At least that is my understanding.

The constitutional language governing pardons reads, “The President … shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.”

Only a state governor could pardon trump for offenses against said state.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/05/24/could-trump-issue-himself-a-pardon/?utm_term=.4251aaede65f

Hopefully he runs afoul of crimes against ny state and AG Schneiderman puts him behind bars.

LOL Lib

(1,462 posts)
50. You know they would try something!
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 04:44 PM
Jun 2017

He will be on twitter crying to his cult members that the "Dems set me up! I didn't know why that guy gave me 50 million for a 5 million property! I though he just liked the Trump logo!"

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
61. Would that logo be that Family Crest that Trump stole from another family and just started using it
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 10:40 AM
Jun 2017

on Trump properties and other crap he owns?

LOL Lib

(1,462 posts)
68. That or his gaudy gold "TRUMP" name.
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 11:46 AM
Jun 2017

Who the hell does that? Steal a family crest. I shouldn't say this, but I'm going to anyway. Donnie 2 Scoops is the definition of white trash. That might violate the TOS, but no one can argue that it's not true.

pnwmom

(108,872 posts)
52. But Nixon wasn't accused of NY State crimes that Ford couldn't pardon.
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 03:46 AM
Jun 2017

NY Attorney General Schneiderman is said to be investigating the Trumps, too.

DarleenMB

(408 posts)
57. Not if he is convicted of a state crime!
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 09:55 AM
Jun 2017

Presidential pardons only apply to federal crimes. And Pence is going down too. Why do you think all of them have lawyered up?

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
2. republican traitors against the USA should be
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 11:38 AM
Jun 2017

brought to justice.

the republican Draft Dodger in Chief, Comrade Casino, merits a full measure of justice, as does his Cabal of Complicit republican Cronies.

awesomerwb1

(4,248 posts)
3. No offense but......
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 11:38 AM
Jun 2017

I am open minded as they come (sometimes hehe) and I follow both on Twitter....but take that with a massive grain of salt.

Re. Schindler. Why would the person (trusted member of trump's inner circle) go around telling people he knows he's going to jail?? He may be guilty as can be, but there is still due process etc etc etc.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
5. Jared has lawyers. They advise. He might also think he has friends who can keep confidentialities.
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 11:42 AM
Jun 2017

Shell_Seas

(3,300 posts)
6. I wonder if Trump leakers get $$ for leaks... OR...
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 11:43 AM
Jun 2017

if they secretly hate Trump and play like they don't?

Regardless, I'm hopeful, but I we've been let down before.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
31. We shouldn't be surprised at this push for attention.
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 01:23 PM
Jun 2017

I PREDICTED (all hail me!) that we would get spoiled by that period of huge news every day. When it stops, as everyone should have predicted, cynical opportunists push into the void to fill the craving.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
41. exactly, and IF they were going to spread the rumors
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 02:05 PM
Jun 2017

they would do it with Costa or the WSJ group.

Somebody on Twitter posted something we like so let's get distracted.

Also with the pardon power at his fingertips Trump doesn't believe any of them are going to jail.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
63. Maybe its Mike Flynn and he's just stating the obvious. Maybe he feels used by the Trump admin.
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 10:52 AM
Jun 2017

He had been undergoing questioning by Mueller's FBI team according to news reports. If it's him, I'm sure he must have something juicy on Trump. Why else would he have risked everything for that clown?

Bleacher Creature

(11,214 posts)
9. I'm sorry, but I don't believe this for a second.
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 11:55 AM
Jun 2017

I have no idea who John Schindler is, other than a vague reference to a "netsec" writer, and this just screams "too good to be true."

It also makes no logician sense. Even if Trump knew it to be true, he's not going to say it out loud, and he's WAY too delusional to think such a thing.

pnwmom

(108,872 posts)
11. Schindler isn't saying Trump believes this. He says someone else in the "inner circle" believes it.
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 12:00 PM
Jun 2017

Presumably that would be Jared, and IF AND ONLY IF this is true, Jared would be in the best position to know if DT were equally culpable.

It would have to be a NY based offense, because Pence's pardon powers wouldn't go that far. But this is conceivable, what with DTs casino-linked money-laundering past.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
45. Yours is a most ironic allegation.
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 02:20 PM
Jun 2017

"Some people need attention..."

Yours is a most ironic allegation.

Response to snooper2 (Reply #18)

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
13. Trump hasn't said it. If you read the tweet carefully
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 12:04 PM
Jun 2017

it says trusted member of Trump's circle has told friends and family....

That person didn't tell Schindler this, a friend or family member most likely did...

Shell_Seas

(3,300 posts)
15. NSA Counterintelligence Officer...
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 12:05 PM
Jun 2017

..also columnist at the New York Observer.

I don't know. I guess we'll eventually find out.

Bleacher Creature

(11,214 posts)
44. Huh, I misread the tweet and readily admitted to it.
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 02:18 PM
Jun 2017

I'm not sure why people need to jump into attack mode so quickly, but I agreed that the initial assertion seemed more believable. That said, until it's actually verified, nobody has a definitive claim on "reality."

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
54. Strange isn't it?
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 04:43 AM
Jun 2017

The attack mode I mean.

Some posters are *very* aggressive in their defense of charlatans like Mensch and Taylor. It's curious thing.

pnwmom

(108,872 posts)
12. The NY attorney general is investigating trump related financial crimes, and those wouldn't be
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 12:02 PM
Jun 2017

subject to pardon by Pence. So prison can't be ruled out, depending on what Schneiderman finds.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
33. Actually, Trump is not immune to the laws in the United States.
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 01:26 PM
Jun 2017

He actually cannot shoot people in the street when he wants, or other delusions of grandeur he proclaims. He can be indicted just like you or me, albeit he has some brief protections from proceedings while in office, nothing more. And any constitutional pardon powers of the federal system do not apply to state crimes.

MissKat

(218 posts)
19. patience
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 12:33 PM
Jun 2017

It took SIX years to get Nixon out.

This isn't going to be quick. It won't be easy.

It is going to be miserable and grinding and seem endless...but maybe, just maybe...we can hope for justice.


Be prepared for a long, tough, slog.

Response to MissKat (Reply #19)

enid602

(8,430 posts)
21. 'Trusted member of tRump'sinner circle'
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 12:36 PM
Jun 2017

Let it please be Jeff; oh dear lord it must be Jeff... it must be Jeff, or I will die. Or I will cry. Hello, hello? It must be him........(apologies to Peggy Lee)

SpankMe

(2,909 posts)
30. I don't know Schindler
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 01:23 PM
Jun 2017

But, if his national security cred and prior jobs give him any sort of off-the-record access to "background" info, then this could be ominous.

I wonder if the piss video is among these alleged foreign briefings that were turned over?

Kleveland

(1,257 posts)
32. Very entertaining, but unlikely.....
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 01:24 PM
Jun 2017

I will believe it when and if it actually happens.

I hate to be a skeptic, but there is so much fiction, and soap opera quality info floating around, that I just cannot take it seriously.

I want to believe that justice, and a functional democracy exists with all of my being.

It remains to be seen at his point.

The only thing that I have absolute faith in, is that the sun will rise and set for a few more years.

That, and the fact that the Dumpster will occupy too much of our waking consciousness.

It is a shitty TV show, but the channel seems to be stuck!

Freethinker65

(9,811 posts)
35. If it sounds too good to be true....it usually is
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 01:28 PM
Jun 2017

Beware of real honest-to-goodness wishful thinking but unverified fake news.

Batship

(28 posts)
39. I trust Taylor and Schindler.
Mon Jun 26, 2017, 01:35 PM
Jun 2017

I trust those two more than some others I could mention, anyway.

That said... just based on the language of the tweets, this doesn't actually point to action. "I'm sure we're going to jail" can mean "I've done slimy things and I'm afraid I might get caught." Particularly if it's, say, Kushner -- who's not really known for his expertise about, well... anything. Just an idiot with a guilty conscience (guilty as in "I know I did it," not "I regret doing it.&quot And Schindler's tweet... well, 200 countries could turn over tapes of 45 actually talking about bribery; it still would require the GOP to do something about him. And they won't. Period.

My feeling is that when they've decided he's an anchor on their reelection chances, they'll start turning more and more to a medical excuse. (And the fact that he's suddenly spent a boatload of cash on attack ads against Republican senators who are opposing the wealthcare bill just might be the anchor we need!)

That said... I'll take the hope and run with it!

onenote

(41,992 posts)
64. Because when he said six weeks ago that arrests would be coming "soon" he was right?
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 10:56 AM
Jun 2017

Oh wait. He wasn't.

Shell_Seas

(3,300 posts)
70. Define soon?
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 11:53 AM
Jun 2017

Kushner just hired high profile criminal attorney yesterday. Soon could be tomorrow, next week, or before Christmas...

onenote

(41,992 posts)
73. Soon generally doesn't mean some inefinite time in the future.
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 12:25 PM
Jun 2017

Unless you're Claude or Louise.

If one tells one's boss that they will finish a project "soon", it generally doesn't mean six or seven months from now, or maybe longer.

 

nikibatts

(2,198 posts)
53. Fake shit to get us spreading rumors then to use us as examples of fake news. If it is true
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 04:25 AM
Jun 2017

just let it happen. We need to keep our eyes on the prize, not the wrapping paper.

bucolic_frolic

(42,088 posts)
55. Food around the corner
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 06:19 AM
Jun 2017

We're gonna have a feast, but it sure seems like an eternity before the table is set

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
58. I can't believe some of you all believe this garbage
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 10:26 AM
Jun 2017

However, I've been here since 2001 and there have always been those who fall for charlatans.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
60. You should believe people who have a history
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 10:34 AM
Jun 2017

of correct reporting and the background to be believable.
For example Malcolm Nance.

You will be disappointed when all the people like Mensch, and the two tweeters in the OP turn out to be nothing but kooks.
In fact their past statements and predictions already prove that.

Shell_Seas

(3,300 posts)
62. Mensch wasn't linked on here. I agree though, Mensch is not a reliable source. However,
Tue Jun 27, 2017, 10:47 AM
Jun 2017

I have not seen a reason that Taylor or Schindler were not to be believed.

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