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They knew before the GOP Convention (Original Post) BSdetect Jul 2017 OP
Orrin Hatch will be #46 after Trump, Pence, and Ryan all go down. Shell_Seas Jul 2017 #1
I would love to see them all ironically dressed in orange. BSdetect Jul 2017 #2
No. Pence will appoint Mother Pence as his VP leftstreet Jul 2017 #4
Ew. Shell_Seas Jul 2017 #6
I predict he will appoint Mitch Daniels as VP. grantcart Jul 2017 #16
I'm not sure if that Twitter theory is legit Nevernose Jul 2017 #9
Stop raining on my parade. Shell_Seas Jul 2017 #10
It's my dream too Nevernose Jul 2017 #41
I agree so getting excited over media marlakay Jul 2017 #15
I think Air Force 1 will have an accident. That is the easiest and cleanest way to replace a LiberalArkie Jul 2017 #19
Will space aliens be involved? SCantiGOP Jul 2017 #23
Pew pew! Shell_Seas Jul 2017 #28
Heart attack is more likely Nevernose Jul 2017 #32
I think they'll forcefully get him to resign. They won't vote to impeach ReformedGOPer Jul 2017 #21
After all compared to them Nixon was a liberal and makes where no true conservative LiberalArkie Jul 2017 #24
Good point Nevernose Jul 2017 #31
True. He can claim a heart attack and resign. And good riddance to him and his own. ReformedGOPer Jul 2017 #38
I don't think he can issue pardons in cases of treason NewJeffCT Jul 2017 #33
That's my hope Nevernose Jul 2017 #40
we can't win bora13 Jul 2017 #12
Not unless the Dems take the house Seedersandleechers Jul 2017 #22
Only if all 3 go down simultaneously. Very hard to arrange, but possible. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2017 #27
Has Ghoulani Weighed In On This Yet?...... global1 Jul 2017 #3
I bet he's spilling his beans to the FBI for a deal. BSdetect Jul 2017 #7
DURec leftstreet Jul 2017 #5
Both McConnell and Ryan knew Botany Jul 2017 #8
"Both McConnell and Ryan knew." 3catwoman3 Jul 2017 #11
"they" have Ryan on tape telling fellow republicans not to talk about Trump getting $$$ ... Botany Jul 2017 #13
Indeed. When Kevin McCarthy confided his suspicions that Trump and Tanuki Jul 2017 #29
McConnell was the brains behind it ProudLib72 Jul 2017 #14
GOP betrayed America Achilleaze Jul 2017 #17
Traitor Pig and the Traitor Pig Republicans who love him MarinCoUSA Jul 2017 #18
the reason that they pushed that plank in was so that they had "an offer of proof" that they grantcart Jul 2017 #20
Without the Fox Noise box this would all be over by now ffr Jul 2017 #25
It had been in works for months. Flynn in Moscow Dec 2015; Carter Page contacts Mar. 2016. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2017 #26
Yep. dalton99a Jul 2017 #30
Note mini-Trump accepted PREMISE of Russian govt support for Trump. The DEAL was already made. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2017 #34
And all for effing tax breaks... 3catwoman3 Jul 2017 #35
Heck, I knew that they knew They_Live Jul 2017 #36
And now THIS video BSdetect Jul 2017 #37
This video shows what a malignant narcissist is capable of doing. BSdetect Jul 2017 #39
k&r BSdetect Jul 2017 #42

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
9. I'm not sure if that Twitter theory is legit
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 11:26 AM
Jul 2017

As much as I'd like it to be. The GOP just won't let it happen. They still control all three branches of government. They don't really give a shit about their brand, either. After Nixon, Iran/Contra, impeaching the most popular modern president, 9/11, Iraq, Katrina. They'll just keep conning their way into power by convincing the little guy that rich people are on their side.

My own personal best guess is that after Trump's usefulness is at an end (which looks like it'll be sooner than expected), Trump is impeached and everyone gets a nice round of pardons.

In fact, he might just start issuing pardons today. There's nothing stopping him. It doesn't look good, but neither does firing the FBI director or licking Putin's jack boots.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
41. It's my dream too
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 03:42 PM
Jul 2017

But for it to come true, the GOP would have to have both patriotism and backbones. Talk about a fantasy!

marlakay

(11,457 posts)
15. I agree so getting excited over media
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 12:35 PM
Jul 2017

That went from helping him to get attention and money to not helping him to get attention and money, is a waste of our time and efforts.

The efforts should be on trying to get a honest election next time if that is even possible now.

LiberalArkie

(15,715 posts)
19. I think Air Force 1 will have an accident. That is the easiest and cleanest way to replace a
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 01:01 PM
Jul 2017

president

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
32. Heart attack is more likely
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 01:46 PM
Jul 2017

Old, fat, hates exercise, and even half-assing it still has the most stressful job in the world.

ReformedGOPer

(478 posts)
21. I think they'll forcefully get him to resign. They won't vote to impeach
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 01:05 PM
Jul 2017

one of their own. Nixon had a democratic house of rep when he resign.

LiberalArkie

(15,715 posts)
24. After all compared to them Nixon was a liberal and makes where no true conservative
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 01:20 PM
Jul 2017

has been impeached, only those lousy liberals.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
31. Good point
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 01:45 PM
Jul 2017

But is it possible to force a narcissistic sociopath to do anything at all?

My side bet is still heart attack. He's old, fat, doesn't exercise, and even half-assing it still has the most stressful job in the world.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
33. I don't think he can issue pardons in cases of treason
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 01:55 PM
Jul 2017

and, also not for state court charges/convictions. I am guessing that Schneidermann from NY may eventually hit him with state level charges.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
40. That's my hope
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 03:41 PM
Jul 2017

In fact, I think the whole reason Ivanka and Jared were given official "jobs" was to provide them with some semblance of executive privilege. I think as long as they work for the WH, they can't be tried on the state charges, or at least they can muddy the jurisdictional waters for years.

bora13

(860 posts)
12. we can't win
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 12:27 PM
Jul 2017

but you have to wonder how someone like him
would run the country post-tRump, if that were to pass.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
27. Only if all 3 go down simultaneously. Very hard to arrange, but possible.
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 01:41 PM
Jul 2017

If tRump goes first, Pres Pence appoints new VP. Won't be Ryan.

If Pence goes first, Trump appoints new VP. Won't be Ryan.

If tRump & Pence go together or before their VP pick is confirmed, then Ryan gets drafted. Pretty pickle for him to be in. If he declines, then his own 2020 or 2024 Pres campaign is probably dead in the water (refusal to serve country). He is likely aiming for 2024.

Botany

(70,501 posts)
8. Both McConnell and Ryan knew
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 11:20 AM
Jul 2017

Both McConnell and Ryan knew

God only knows how wide and deep this corruption goes. Ryan is in a
CYA mood right now.

How did McConnell know if he waited until after the election he would have
somebody else to vote for for SCOTUS?


https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028671176 (NY Times Article)

Paul Ryan & Republican Establishment Used Hacked Info From Russia Against Democrats:

Let's not forget that a super PAC tied to Paul Ryan used material provided by Russia's hacking of the DNC and DCCC.

It was known that Russia had stolen material from the DNC and DCCC and a Paul Ryan Super PAC and as well as other Republican groups used it.

It wasn't just Hillary Clinton being attacked. It wasn't just Trump benefiting. There's potentially more collusion than just that between Trump's team and Russia.

3catwoman3

(23,975 posts)
11. "Both McConnell and Ryan knew."
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 12:25 PM
Jul 2017

I am absolutely certain of this, especially in regard to McConnell. That rat bastad absolutely KNEW the fix was in, which is why he was so resolute in denying Merrick Garland a hearing. Even as deceitful and duplicitous a creep as McConnell would probably have had a hard time denying a SCOTUS appointment to HRC for 4 years. I'm sure he would have tried, but to stall for an entire presidential term would have been difficult, I would think.

I detest that SOB.

Botany

(70,501 posts)
13. "they" have Ryan on tape telling fellow republicans not to talk about Trump getting $$$ ...
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 12:32 PM
Jul 2017

.... from Russia. When his staff was confronted with the tape they said Ryan was
only joking about Trump getting money from Russia.

This "Russia stuff" is just the tip of the iceberg to Republican election rigging.

Tanuki

(14,918 posts)
29. Indeed. When Kevin McCarthy confided his suspicions that Trump and
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 01:43 PM
Jul 2017

Dana Rohrabacher were on the Kremlin payroll, Ryan went all hush-hush and directed the group to "keep it in the family." Note the date of the conversation.. June 15, 2016!


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/national-security/house-majority-leader-to-colleagues-in-2016-i-think-putin-pays-trump/2017/05/17/515f6f8a-3aff-11e7-8854-21f359183e8c_story.html
"A month before Donald Trump clinched the Republican nomination, one of his closest allies in Congress — House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy — made a politically explosive assertion in a private conversation on Capitol Hill with his fellow GOP leaders: that Trump could be the beneficiary of payments from Russian President Vladimir Putin.

“There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump,” McCarthy (R-Calif.) said, according to a recording of the June 15, 2016, exchange, which was listened to and verified by The Washington Post. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher is a Californian Republican known in Congress as a fervent defender of Putin and Russia.

House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) immediately interjected, stopping the conversation from further exploring McCarthy’s assertion, and swore the Republicans present to secrecy.

Before the conversation, McCarthy and Ryan had emerged from separate talks at the Capitol with Ukrainian Prime Minister Vladi­mir Groysman, who had described a Kremlin tactic of financing populist politicians to undercut Eastern European democratic institutions.".....(more)



ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
14. McConnell was the brains behind it
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 12:35 PM
Jul 2017

I think turtle man was the strategist/main enabler in congress. He had to let Ryan in on the scheme. Since Ryan has no backbone or brains of his own, he just nodded. I'm not willing to let any other GOP senator off the hook entirely, but I do wonder how many of them actually wondered what was going on with Garland. Maybe they believed they were just continuing their party line of obstruction.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
17. GOP betrayed America
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 12:50 PM
Jul 2017

for the sake of their godawful republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief, Comrade Casino.

Deplorable.

MarinCoUSA

(891 posts)
18. Traitor Pig and the Traitor Pig Republicans who love him
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 01:01 PM
Jul 2017

Orange Pustule Hitler did not get "served" by the Ruskies at G-20.- He OFFERED himself- and the Republic- to them.
Henceforth and forevermore- TRAITOR PIG and his party TRAITOR PIG REPUBLICANS

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
20. the reason that they pushed that plank in was so that they had "an offer of proof" that they
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 01:05 PM
Jul 2017

could deliver on policy changes after they get in the WH. After that the Russians unleashed a full push to interfere with the election.

ffr

(22,669 posts)
25. Without the Fox Noise box this would all be over by now
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 01:34 PM
Jul 2017

But RW'ers need them as their support group. Without Fox, support from anti-American Pro-Russian KGOP loving drones would falter and so would this illegitimate administration.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
26. It had been in works for months. Flynn in Moscow Dec 2015; Carter Page contacts Mar. 2016.
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 01:36 PM
Jul 2017

Plus McCONnell knew, which is why he stuck his turtle neck out on blocking Merrick Garland.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
34. Note mini-Trump accepted PREMISE of Russian govt support for Trump. The DEAL was already made.
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 01:55 PM
Jul 2017

Plus McCONnell refused to confirm Merrick Garland because he knew the scheme was in motion.

Thus by date of that first email, about a week after Republicon Convention, there had already been negotiations and agreements for that support.

The quid pro quo was the change to the Republican platform regarding sanctions against Russia and that there would be ongoing efforts by tRump to lift the sanctions.

3catwoman3

(23,975 posts)
35. And all for effing tax breaks...
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 02:23 PM
Jul 2017

...for the wealthiest among us, who are doing just fine without them, and who don't give a rat's ass about any of the rest of us.

BSdetect

(8,998 posts)
37. And now THIS video
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 03:13 PM
Jul 2017


See around 6.50 minutes.

He brags about coming "news" re DNC etc two days before June 9th.

SO HE FUCKIN KNEW.

Traitors all.

BSdetect

(8,998 posts)
39. This video shows what a malignant narcissist is capable of doing.
Tue Jul 11, 2017, 03:17 PM
Jul 2017

He knows its all a lie and yet attacks HRC without any shred of honesty or decency.



Around minute 7 he unleashes his rancid torrent of lies.

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