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stevenleser | Jul 2017 | OP |
TexasTowelie | Jul 2017 | #1 | |
roamer65 | Jul 2017 | #2 | |
D_Master81 | Jul 2017 | #3 | |
marylandblue | Jul 2017 | #10 | |
JI7 | Jul 2017 | #15 | |
Midwestern Democrat | Jul 2017 | #16 | |
marylandblue | Jul 2017 | #28 | |
BainsBane | Jul 2017 | #13 | |
kentuck | Jul 2017 | #17 | |
Foamfollower | Jul 2017 | #4 | |
stevenleser | Jul 2017 | #5 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Jul 2017 | #25 | |
Jim Lane | Jul 2017 | #34 | |
Lotusflower70 | Jul 2017 | #6 | |
TheBlackAdder | Jul 2017 | #7 | |
sweetloukillbot | Jul 2017 | #8 | |
lunasun | Jul 2017 | #9 | |
Warren DeMontague | Jul 2017 | #40 | |
Orrex | Jul 2017 | #22 | |
marylandblue | Jul 2017 | #32 | |
smirkymonkey | Jul 2017 | #43 | |
TheBlackAdder | Jul 2017 | #44 | |
WinkyDink | Jul 2017 | #11 | |
Warren DeMontague | Jul 2017 | #36 | |
Yupster | Jul 2017 | #39 | |
WinkyDink | Jul 2017 | #41 | |
BainsBane | Jul 2017 | #12 | |
Doug the Dem | Jul 2017 | #14 | |
oberliner | Jul 2017 | #18 | |
stevenleser | Jul 2017 | #19 | |
oberliner | Jul 2017 | #20 | |
Warren DeMontague | Jul 2017 | #37 | |
dsc | Jul 2017 | #21 | |
Orrex | Jul 2017 | #23 | |
stevenleser | Jul 2017 | #29 | |
dsc | Jul 2017 | #30 | |
Warren DeMontague | Jul 2017 | #38 | |
RussBLib | Jul 2017 | #24 | |
marylandblue | Jul 2017 | #26 | |
Demsrule86 | Jul 2017 | #27 | |
MineralMan | Jul 2017 | #31 | |
WinkyDink | Jul 2017 | #33 | |
Warren DeMontague | Jul 2017 | #35 | |
WinkyDink | Jul 2017 | #42 |
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 12:03 AM
TexasTowelie (99,388 posts)
1. K&R.
I had to double-check that he made the age requirement though.
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 12:04 AM
roamer65 (33,954 posts)
2. I hope my Prime Minister is Justin Trudeau.
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 12:06 AM
D_Master81 (1,759 posts)
3. I've lived in South Bend
I like Mayor Pete, but I think he needs to run for Congress first. I think he'd have a good shot at defeating Walorski in our district. Give him some time to learn the ropes of Washington. The problem that has happened over the past 10 yrs is that we want to over accelerate people's political careers, if they have one at all (Trump) to go straight to the White House. Dont get me wrong, I think the guy has a bright future, I just think we should hold off on the Presidency for now.
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Response to D_Master81 (Reply #3)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 01:07 AM
marylandblue (12,344 posts)
10. It's actually an advantage to have no experience now
Then you have no record to attack. Six of our last seven presidents had zero experience in Washington. Obama had the most, with less than one term as a Senator. He knew if he waited four or eight more years, he'd be seen as just another insider.
After Trump, we are going to see a lot of inexperienced people run for president. It's just the nature of our times. |
Response to marylandblue (Reply #10)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 05:55 AM
JI7 (87,732 posts)
15. nope, Obama was in the State Senate and life long activist . Trump's rise is more about bigotry
just look at how experience suddenly mattered when it came to GEorgia 6th with ossoff and handel.
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Response to marylandblue (Reply #10)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 09:53 AM
Midwestern Democrat (720 posts)
16. We can't run a mayor of a town of 100,000 people for president - he'd be dismissed by most from
serious consideration from the beginning. Trump's a clown - but he'd been a household name for over three decades and was thought to be a great businessman by many people. Of his six predecessors, four had been Governors; one had been a US Senator; and the other was the incumbent Vice President (who had also been a US congressman; the Ambassador to the UN; the Envoy to China; and the Director of the CIA).
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Response to Midwestern Democrat (Reply #16)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 02:05 PM
marylandblue (12,344 posts)
28. Trump was never considered a serious contender from the beginning
Neither was Reagan. He was thought to be far too right wing and stupid, even crazy. Jimmy Carter was "Jimmy Who?" And in 2008, many people did not think the country was ready to elect a black man, especially one with a middle name "Hussein."
And don't forget Ross Perot, the Trump of his day, but much less known to start, was a serious contender until he showed he wasn't by dropping out then dropping back in. If Trump with his manifest unsuitability for the job could win, I am having a hard time figuring out what could make someone unqualified in people's eyes. Democrats seem to spend a lot of time trying to figure who other people would vote for, and not enough time figuring out who best represents their own values. |
Response to D_Master81 (Reply #3)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 05:38 AM
BainsBane (52,565 posts)
13. Good point.
Response to D_Master81 (Reply #3)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 09:56 AM
kentuck (108,792 posts)
17. Didn't he lose a state-wide race recently?
You have to win in your home state to be credible, in my opinion.
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 12:07 AM
Foamfollower (1,097 posts)
4. I am 100% behind Hillary until she states unequivocally she will not run.
Then, I'm 100% behind Kirsten Gillibrand.
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Response to Foamfollower (Reply #4)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 12:10 AM
stevenleser (32,886 posts)
5. I love Hill. If she ran again that might change my choice, but from what I am seeing that
doesnt seem likely.
I love Kirsten too. But so far I haven't seen the charisma needed. |
Response to Foamfollower (Reply #4)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 01:03 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (98,716 posts)
25. I was one of her most stalwart supporters on this board but please no.
"There is no education in the second kick of a mule."
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Response to Foamfollower (Reply #4)
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 12:23 AM
Jim Lane (11,175 posts)
34. Gillibrand has already said: 2018 (Senate re-election) yes, 2020 no. (n/t)
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 12:19 AM
Lotusflower70 (3,076 posts)
6. Hmmm
He needs some seasoning first. He should run for Congress.
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 12:21 AM
TheBlackAdder (26,050 posts)
7. Peter Buttigieg - Sorry, I can't get past that name. Perhaps too much British comedy exposure.
Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #7)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 12:45 AM
sweetloukillbot (8,665 posts)
8. It's a stupid reason, I know, but I agree
Trump may be acceptable to some, but someone with "Butt" in their name probably isn't.
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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #7)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 01:00 AM
lunasun (21,646 posts)
9. Low end republicans will have a field day with that name . Remember Dukakis and was it Loretta
Lynn who made famous you can't vote for someone who's name you can't pronounce
As Mr. Bush and his entourage traveled by bus across the state, the singers stirred them - as well as audiences - with such other hymns as ''The Man from Galilee'' as well as ''Coal Miner's Daughter.'' At one stop, Miss Lynn said Mr. Dukakis was simply not her kind of politician. Thickening her Kentucky drawl, she added: ''Why, I can't even pronounce his name!'' The crowd roared with glee. At another stop, the three sisters sang, ''Stand By Your Man.'' Their man - George Bush, a country and western aficionado -beamed. |
Response to lunasun (Reply #9)
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 12:31 AM
Warren DeMontague (80,708 posts)
40. And 20 years after Dukakis, we elected Barack Hussein Obama as President.
Maybe we should work on internalizing that it's not 1988 anymore.
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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #7)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 12:49 PM
Orrex (62,163 posts)
22. I agree. Republicans will run that gag 24/7 until he becomes ballot poison to the average voter
Unless we see a Buttigieg/Vilsack ticket. In which case it's a guaranteed win!
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Response to Orrex (Reply #22)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 03:10 PM
marylandblue (12,344 posts)
32. Regardless of who runs, Trump will have a relentless attack
on their name, their personal habits and everything they ever said or done, even the most innocent thing will become sinister in his hands. Let's not turn somebody down because they are gay, have a funny name or lack experience. It doesn't matter. Trump will use it, and if he doesn't have good enough dirt, he will just make it up. If George Washington ran for.Preisdent today, Trump would call him Lying George and claim George was golfing in Florida while his troops shivered at Valley Forge.
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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #7)
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 01:19 PM
smirkymonkey (63,221 posts)
43. I know it's shallow, but I was thinking the same thing.
That name is a definite liability. Besides, he needs a lot more experience and exposure if he is ever going to be taken seriously as a presidential candidate. But that name - ouch!
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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #43)
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 02:01 PM
TheBlackAdder (26,050 posts)
44. It's not shallow, it's a political reality.
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His first name is slang for a penis and his last name goes without saying. The RW media, will especially have a field day with it, as they placate their 13-year-old mentality viewers. The jokes will write themselves. I'm sure everything he's heard throughout his life will be used again. . |
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 03:34 AM
WinkyDink (51,311 posts)
11. Um.....no. BUTTigieg? Sometimes more than the visual is important.
Response to WinkyDink (Reply #11)
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 12:27 AM
Warren DeMontague (80,708 posts)
36. "Barack Hussein Obama"
...maybe it's time for people to grow up a little bit, and realize that we shouldn't be disqualifying good leaders on the basis of stupid shit like their weird name.
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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #36)
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 12:30 AM
Yupster (14,308 posts)
39. That was my reaction
We elected a guy whose middle name was Hussein after 911. Probably shouldn't worry about names.
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Response to Yupster (Reply #39)
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 01:15 PM
WinkyDink (51,311 posts)
41. Yes, BHO was elected, and then some. There's a difference, however, between people's knowing when
something is irrelevant and when something appeals to puerile humor!
IOW, imagine if the POTUS right now, with all the same realities, were named Donald J. Buttigieg. :-P |
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 05:37 AM
BainsBane (52,565 posts)
12. My preliminary, completely uninformed choice
Is Adam Schiff.
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 05:53 AM
Doug the Dem (1,297 posts)
14. Stephen Colbert
And I'm not kidding!
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 10:00 AM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
18. Do you think his sexual orientation will be an obstacle?
Or do you think we have moved past that as a country?
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Response to oberliner (Reply #18)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 10:20 AM
stevenleser (32,886 posts)
19. I think it is a surmountable obstacle. Gallups polling shows that...
75% of the country would vote for an LGBT candidate as of 2015. http://www.gallup.com/poll/183713/socialist-presidential-candidates-least-appealing.aspx
That probably has gone up a few points since then. The folks who wouldn't would probably not vote for anDemocrat anyway. |
Response to stevenleser (Reply #19)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 12:32 PM
oberliner (58,724 posts)
20. It's amazing how much that number has moved in last few decades
In 1978, according to that same poll, only 26 percent said they would vote for a gay candidate for president (bisexual/transgender were not included in the initial question). By 1999, the number was up to 59 percent, and in 2012, the number was 68 percent. Now, as you note, it is up to 75 percent.
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Response to oberliner (Reply #20)
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 12:28 AM
Warren DeMontague (80,708 posts)
37. It's why we need leaders who aren't afraid to actually lead.
Like Gavin Newsom, who has been ahead of the curve on LGBT equality and the legalization of cannabis, two areas where the east coast beltway Dems have seemed to track 5 years behind public opinion.
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 12:43 PM
dsc (51,658 posts)
21. As a gay man I have to say there is no way a gay man can win
running as a Democrat even by 2020. Gays couldn't even serve openly until 2010. There is one openly bisexual governor (Oregon) and she was installed after her predecessor had a scandal, she has since won her own term. There is one openly lesbian Senator who did win in an open race. That is it for state wide wins by openly gay politicians in all of US history. I just don't see it happening for quite some time.
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Response to dsc (Reply #21)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 12:51 PM
Orrex (62,163 posts)
23. That's a very sobering but, alas, very reasonable assessment
I wish I could disagree with you.
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Response to dsc (Reply #21)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 02:31 PM
stevenleser (32,886 posts)
29. I thought about that a lot prior to making my choice and I looked at the stats
75% of folks say they would vote for a gay man or a lesbian.
I am guessing, I think with a fair amount of justification, that the 25% who wouldn't are part of the 35% of this country who support Trump and thus would never vote Democratic anyway. That number, 75% is about the bare minimum for a person being a member of a demographic that I think should consider running. One of the things i always said to supporters of a socialist that recently ran was that 50% of the country said they would not vote for a socialist and 48% would. Nominating someone from a demographic with those numbers is simply begging to lose. 75% is winnable considering what I wrote in my 2nd paragraph. Buttigieg has a huge amount of charisma and is clearly brilliant. I think he has a strong shot at maximizing whatever the possible Democratic vote is. |
Response to stevenleser (Reply #29)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 02:38 PM
dsc (51,658 posts)
30. I think there is a difference between men and women
in this regard. I think many of those 75% would vote for a lesbian but not a gay male. I might be wrong on that, but I don't think so.
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Response to dsc (Reply #21)
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 12:30 AM
Warren DeMontague (80,708 posts)
38. The world has changed drastically in recent years, but some boomers seem to have trouble grasping it
Millennials are an even bigger generation and they are driving massive amounts of cultural change, on everything from LGBT equality to marijuana legalization.
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 01:00 PM
RussBLib (7,028 posts)
24. Al Franken for Prez
He's worked hard and well in the Senate and his humor would be a great change of pace.
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 01:29 PM
marylandblue (12,344 posts)
26. If you had asked almost anybody in early 2015 if Trump could win
they would have answered a resounding no. But now if Trump could win, anybody could win.
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 01:29 PM
Demsrule86 (65,494 posts)
27. Time to think about Congress and the 18 election Democrats tend to seek a savior and ignore
midterms...a losing strategy.
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 02:53 PM
MineralMan (144,971 posts)
31. Well, he'll have to start by teaching America how to pronounce his name.
That's a hurdle he needs to get over before even thinking seriously about running.
I have no idea, frankly, how it's pronounced. |
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 03:14 PM
WinkyDink (51,311 posts)
33. Doubling down, eh? I like Adam Schiff!
Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 12:26 AM
Warren DeMontague (80,708 posts)
35. I like Buttigeig.
Harris and Newsom, too.
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Response to stevenleser (Original post)
Mon Jul 17, 2017, 01:18 PM
WinkyDink (51,311 posts)
42. Campaign slogan: "I Like Buttigieg, and I Cannot Lie!" (Yes, I'm 12.)