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IMO, putting off the vote due to McCain just gives more time to sell a state by state (Original Post) CK_John Jul 2017 OP
But he's not... brooklynite Jul 2017 #1
They just added 1 bil$ for Alaska to lock up a vote. CK_John Jul 2017 #2
But they never intend to fund it. It is easy to say you are adding money. wasupaloopa Jul 2017 #3
They put it in the bill, if it is passed it will be the law. CK_John Jul 2017 #5
You can't "appropriate funds" in a non-appropriations bill. nt BumRushDaShow Jul 2017 #11
And what happens when it gets back to the House? BumRushDaShow Jul 2017 #4
The House/Senate leg has already been worked out, ready to be signed in 24hrs. CK_John Jul 2017 #6
Source? BumRushDaShow Jul 2017 #10
If - if - the Senate passes a health bill, get ready for lightning round in the House dalton99a Jul 2017 #12
There were something like 25 moderates in the House BumRushDaShow Jul 2017 #13
Any evidence that this has "locked up" Murkowski's vote? brooklynite Jul 2017 #20
And DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2017 #7
Meanwhile, maybe McCain will see the irony of his need for healthcare delaying his vote to kill it. Towlie Jul 2017 #8
Would McConnell delay a vote if a confirmed "no" vote were incapacitated? Orrex Jul 2017 #9
But McConnell has already said he's going to defer the vote. nt pnwmom Jul 2017 #14
Maybe I'm unclear on the timeline Orrex Jul 2017 #16
What would happen if McCain died on the operating table. Nitram Jul 2017 #15
Even dead on the table he'd be better at his job than Trump Orrex Jul 2017 #17
Ha h. I mean, what about the vote? Nitram Jul 2017 #18
Oh. That. Orrex Jul 2017 #19
Sounds very plausible. Nitram Jul 2017 #21
Governors aren't as gullible or uninformed as Trump voters. They know the numbers. WinkyDink Jul 2017 #22

brooklynite

(94,520 posts)
1. But he's not...
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 11:30 AM
Jul 2017

If he could buy off votes, he could have done it with the previous version. This is a desperation play to try to cajole extra votes, and then say "well, we tried (maybe the President could have done more)" when it fails.

BumRushDaShow

(128,908 posts)
4. And what happens when it gets back to the House?
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 11:41 AM
Jul 2017


This "bill" is not the "final bill" that if passed by the Senate, gets signed by the President, the end. It is completely different from the House version that barely passed itself.

They have to either put this one up for a vote in the House (with the danger that the teabaggers pick it apart since it doesn't completely "repeal" - upstart teabagger Cruz's "amendment" be damned) or they have to come up with another compromise version - but in a joint House-Senate conference committee, and then put THAT version back out to both chambers for a vote.

BumRushDaShow

(128,908 posts)
10. Source?
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 11:59 AM
Jul 2017

Considering they can't even move forward with scheduling the vote with Mclame out for the week.

dalton99a

(81,475 posts)
12. If - if - the Senate passes a health bill, get ready for lightning round in the House
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 12:11 PM
Jul 2017
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/if--if--the-senate-passes-a-health-bill-get-ready-for-lightning-round-in-the-house/2017/07/15/522c8d08-68d1-11e7-a1d7-9a32c91c6f40_story.html

If — if — the Senate passes a health bill, get ready for lightning round in the House
By Paul Kane July 15 at 1:16 PM

If McConnell can make it happen, House Republicans seem ready to quickly pass the Senate version of the legislation and send it to President Trump’s desk for his signature.

Ryan has informed the House to expect immediate consideration if the Senate can find the votes. “If Senate is going to give us a health-care bill, we’re going to stay and finish the health-care bill,” he told reporters Thursday.

BumRushDaShow

(128,908 posts)
13. There were something like 25 moderates in the House
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 12:23 PM
Jul 2017

who initially balked at the House version and they were only able to get a couple to switch allowing them to just barely pass that. The Senate version basically tossed the House version.... And since it doesn't immediately repeal and leaves the whole concept of Medicaid in place (even if it is done via "block grants&quot that might make the teabagger caucus bristle and bail.

The problem with the WaPo analysis is that MacArthur, who was a moderate GOP co-chair, burned his bridges with his "compromise" amendment that got added to the House version (essentially side-stepping the other co-chair) and because of the rancor that ensued, he resigned his co-chair position and no longer represents the moderates. And the analysis also seems to downplay the teabagger quoted as saying "it would “have to be a 'big move' away from the current draft". And as we have heard bits and pieces, the "current draft" is moderating the bill in order to get the Murkowskis and Portmans on board and that is not what the teabaggers want.

In any case, it will be interesting to see how this plays out because really what we are seeing is 2 douchebags (Eddie Munster and Turtle) trying to find some way to personally "save face".

brooklynite

(94,520 posts)
20. Any evidence that this has "locked up" Murkowski's vote?
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 12:52 PM
Jul 2017

She's been clear that a big issue is funding for PP.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
7. And
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 11:47 AM
Jul 2017

every day gives the opposition more time to coalesce.

There's going to be another disastrous CBO score coming out this week.

Orrex

(63,208 posts)
16. Maybe I'm unclear on the timeline
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 12:31 PM
Jul 2017

I thought he deferred because of McCain--no? If not, then I guess my question doesn't really work.

But if McConnell simply deferred because he knows that his piece of shit bill is a piece of shit, well, that does indeed seem more likely!

Nitram

(22,794 posts)
15. What would happen if McCain died on the operating table.
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 12:27 PM
Jul 2017

At his age it could happen no matter what the operation.

Orrex

(63,208 posts)
19. Oh. That.
Sun Jul 16, 2017, 12:46 PM
Jul 2017

Not sure.

If McConnell thought that McCain's death would get him a "yes" majority, then he'd push for the vote before McCain was even cold in the ground. If it made the vote uncertain, then McConnell would delay the vote "out of respect for our dear departed friend and colleague."

McConnell would then push hard to get a rubber-stamp Republican appointed to McCain's vacated seat.

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