Louise Mensch is a nut job.

[demmiblue]

She should be exposed for exactly what she is.

I hope someone will post some of her recent tweets here regarding Bill Clinton.

Oh wait...

[rzemanfl]

1. Someone did and it was removed. n/t

[demmiblue]

2. Oh my!

[m-lekktor]

14. yes, it vanished as I was reading it. nt

[demmiblue]

3. Found one:

Link to tweet

, Louise... got proof of that?

[More_Cowbell]

4. Comey's actions were influenced by that meeting

I haven't seen anything from LM other than the tweet reproduced here, but I believe that Comey's been telling the truth about Trump. Since I trust in his veracity, I have to believe that Comey means what he says about that meeting influencing his decisions last year. I think it's relevant to things that are going on right now.

[GreenEyedLefty]

5. Has she been right about anything? Honest question.

[pnwmom]

10. She was insisting Comey was a good guy and running a serious investigation

when many Dems were trying to get him fired.

She was right that Rosenstein was also a good guy, when many Dems thought he was a traitor -- till Rosenstein appointed Mueller.

She was right about the FISA warrant on Alfa bank.

She has been insisting there was evidence for Trump team collusion since last winter.

Those are just off the top of my head -- there has been much more.

I hope she turns out to be right about this post from a couple weeks ago:

patribotics.com

Donald Trump Jr

Donald Trump Jr was directly taped by the French before the election, colluding treacherously with the Russians. As with all NATO allies who are not part of the Five Eyes agreement, there is no legal reason why they cannot directly tape Americans abroad. The FBI would need permission with a FISA warrant to listen to any such intelligence on U.S. persons.

[L. Coyote]

12. Louise Mensch reported on the Alpha Bank FISA warrant before the election.

FBI has FISA warrant for Trump secret server connected to Russia.

Where now are the DU'ers who criticized her then?

[jmg257]

39. So that FISA server warrant has been confirmed?

[FBaggins]

40. That depends on what you mean by "confirmed"

When a psychic makes two dozen clear predictions and none of them come true except you see a black bear standing on his hind legs and she tries to convince you that this was the "tall, dark stranger" that she predicted that you would meet...


... has her prediction been confirmed?

Or would it be better to say that she was a nutcase who at best could be said to be a blind squirrel?

[jmg257]

45. HA true! This is several times that the server FISA warant was given as an example as something

LM got right.

I have yet to see where the FISA server warrant is shown to be a real thing.
I hoped the poster could supply a link.

[pnwmom]

64. You haven't been looking very hard.

It took me a few seconds of Googling to find Paul Wood's January BBC report of the warrant.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38589427

On 15 October, the US secret intelligence court issued a warrant to investigate two Russian banks. This news was given to me by several sources and corroborated by someone I will identify only as a senior member of the US intelligence community. He would never volunteer anything - giving up classified information would be illegal - but he would confirm or deny what I had heard from other sources.

SNIP

Lawyers from the National Security Division in the Department of Justice then drew up an application. They took it to the secret US court that deals with intelligence, the Fisa court, named after the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. They wanted permission to intercept the electronic records from two Russian banks.

Their first application, in June, was rejected outright by the judge. They returned with a more narrowly drawn order in July and were rejected again. Finally, before a new judge, the order was granted, on 15 October, three weeks before election day.

Neither Mr Trump nor his associates are named in the Fisa order, which would only cover foreign citizens or foreign entities - in this case the Russian banks. But ultimately, the investigation is looking for transfers of money from Russia to the United States, each one, if proved, a felony offence.

[jmg257]

65. That's true - thanks! Of course in March CNN was told there was no warrant, so...

there is that.

*"CNN is told there was no Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant on the server.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/09/politics/fbi-investigation-continues-into-odd-computer-link-between-russian-bank-and-trump-organization/index.html

ETA: *apparently by their FBI source

[pnwmom]

71. Yes. But who told them isn't clear, and the previous sentence mentions a WH official.

"The server issue surfaced again this weekend, mentioned in a Breitbart article that, according to a White House official, sparked President Trump's series of tweets accusing investigators of tapping his phone.

"CNN is told there was no Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant on the server."

[jberryhill]

77. It's called the "Jeane Dixon Effect"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeane_Dixon#The_Jeane_Dixon_effect

John Allen Paulos, a mathematician at Temple University, coined the term 'the Jeane Dixon effect', which references a tendency to promote a few correct predictions while ignoring a larger number of incorrect predictions

[pnwmom]

63. The story was confirmed by the Guardian, the BBC, and McClatchy. n/t

[jmg257]

66. And contradicted in March by CNN. nt

[pnwmom]

68. Failing to confirm isn't the same as contradicting. n/t

[jmg257]

70. Ah good point! Sources vs sources I guess.

[jberryhill]

80. Some of Jeanne Dixon's prophecies haven't come true yet, either

[FBaggins]

41. Where are those DUers?

Mostly laughing at the fact that a couple dozen more whoppers have passed by and her supporters are still clinging to "but there WAS a FISA warrant!... Who cares what else was in that report that remains untrue?"

As if, even if it were true, one claim out of dozens insulates her from the "nut job" labeling above.

[L. Coyote]

48. Imagine if all the time spent maligning the anti-Trumpers were spent investigating #TrumpRussia ....

There seems to be an huge army of anti-Mensch trolls on Twitter, and you have to wonder Why so much angst if there is no there there?

[FBaggins]

56. Did you read the OP?

It's apparently #ClintonRussia now too... along with #BLMRussia, #LondonTerrorAttackRussia, #WeedInMyBackyardRussia, etc.

[L. Coyote]

61. All 29 hit-and-run words.

I was overwhelmed by the substance.

Link to tweet

[FBaggins]

62. What an ironic post

[jberryhill]

78. That's a bullshit rhetorical tactic

And it's the same kind of Alex Jonesian tactic used by people who promoted idiotic 9/11 conspiracy theories... "Oh, so you don't believe there were explosives hidden in the WTC by the Bush family, therefore you must be a Dick Cheney supporter."

Bullshit is bullshit, whether it is "anti-Trump" bullshit or not.

[Blue_Tires]

67. She did get "Jared Kushner under investigation"

long before anybody else officially had it...

[melman]

6. Yeah it's a funny thing

Her fans are awfully sensitive about this stuff being pointed out.

[demmiblue]

9. You should appeal... the admins are not exactly fans of L.M.

I am sure they will see the true intention of your post.

[LanternWaste]

20. No more and no less than her critics

No more and no less than her critics are awfully petulant about this stuff being pointed out.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other... and each as melodramatic as the other.

A funny thing, indeed.

[emulatorloo]

34. Her critics are awfully hysterical, their hair on fire as they demand DU'ers submit to their will.

I'm somewhat neutral on Mensch, but I can clearly see how ballistic and touchy the anti-Mench handful gets.

I think Lanternwaste nailed it.

[snooper2]

43. Her fans seem to be the ones that still support Maduro and are mostly "anti-West"

It is not hard to see the trends...

[Bernardo de La Paz]

76. Your statement is false. Plus you are falling for the fallacy of Guilt by Association.

Even if "Maduro fans are Mensch fans" (no evidence provided) it is NOT the same thing as "Mensch fans are Maduro fans".

[brettdale]

7. Not so much a nut job

But a con artist, like her pal Claude Taylor.

PS: BIG NEWS COMING, BAD FOR TRUMP, MAYBE TOMORROW!!!!!!!!!!!

[demmiblue]

8. True.

I spent @10-15 minutes checking out her Twitter feed... she has a rather cultish following, imo.

[Not Ruth]

11. Louise Mensch has sources

And haters

[lunasun]

13. Scammer more than nutter IMO

[grantcart]

15. but you can go to her website and help her become the next Breitbart,

which is her objective with her employer, Rupert Murdoch.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

16. I'm gonna regret asking but, WTF is it now? nt

[Eugene]

32. Mensch recently tweeted about kompromat against Bill Clinton.

Describing it further would probably get the post hidden as a RW smear. It's a conspiracy theory worthy of the Trumpistas.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

37. .

.

[stevenleser]

17. I've settled on the opinion that anything sources send her she releases without vetting

Some things seem to be uncannily correct, others bizarrely wrong. Someone said that she indicated she has well placed sources who are repeating what they hear and some might be wrong.

That seems to fit what I see. It that doesn't necessarily make my analysis correct.

[Not Ruth]

18. That is exactly how citizen journalism works

[stevenleser]

24. I would at least partially disagree. I wouldn't have a problem if she at least

Clearly noted in each release of information what info she has vetted and what is raw source reports that have not been verified independently.

I wrote articles for years and always tried to provide links to where I got information or note that it was opinion.

[Not Ruth]

25. I was just watching a documentary, City of Ghosts, about industry award winning citizen journalists

The documentary shows them getting phone calls from their sources and and posting the relevant details while they were still on the call. Verifying was never even under consideration. And they won awards for it.

[stevenleser]

42. Most awards don't mean much. The salient question is, are you informing or misinforming.

Last edited Tue Jul 18, 2017, 06:05 PM - Edit history (1)

If you are misinforming when it's not hard to indicate that something you are sharing isn't vetted then what good is an award you hang on your wall?

[snooper2]

44. I just got a phone call that said Boeing stock is going to triple in price in 3 hours

TIME TO BUY!

[MineralMan]

19. Pretty much.

[Lee-Lee]

21. I see the same patterns in her die hard fans I do in Alex Jones fans

She throws a whole lot of wild shit out. She has been right on about 2%. She has been demonstrably wrong on a much higher percentage. Most is up in the air not provable false or true yet.

Her rabid followers will jump to show where she got something right months ago when anything she says is challenged and use that as proof she is legit, while making excuses for or ignoring all she has gotten wrong. Anything you can't totally disprove, and even some you can, they still cling to a belief it is legit.

If you ever sit down with an Alex Jone fan and start asking them questions about why they believe him they will do the exact same thing- leap to the few times he was right on something while ignoring or making excuses for all the lies and crazy, and insisting they have faith in all the stuff that you can't totally disprove.

Confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance can combine and get people to suspend rational thinking way too often.

[jberryhill]

27. +1

And even on "she was right" it's frequently like hammering the facts into what she had said, like "Nostradamus was right" on various of his cryptic pronouncements.

[HopeAgain]

29. +100

People hear what they want to hear and some people are more susceptible than others...

[melman]

52. Definitely

This is why it's important to not let things like this go. Because her followers just ignore all the really outrageous things, and they will deny it ever happened, and then challenge you to find it. And Mensch tweets non-stop and re-tweets even more, so it can be hard to find things if you're looking for them weeks later. She deliberately buries things with re-tweets and sometimes even deletes.

[seaglass]

22. She should go back to writing novels, a better fit. n/t

[kstewart33]

23. Agree.

So many 'scoops', more than the Washington Post. Ridiculous.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

26. A right wing nut job at that

[NCTraveler]

30. I find people like HA Goodman and the "Sane Progressive" to be more damaging with their nuttery. nt.

[emulatorloo]

35. + 1000

[awesomerwb1]

31. I had to unfollow her....

Just watching all those videos about her spewing complete far right wing nut BS did it for me. Then the DEZA stuff, and everybody's a Russian spy. She's nuts.

According to her I don't know how many people should already be in jail, and the president should be Hatch. And Taylor is probably in this just to sell his stuff online.

[Special Counsel]

33. I Like her , I really, really like her.

If you can prove she is not who she say she is, then go ahead and do it!

Her blog is fun and informative.

To call someone a nut job is a bit rich.

I think we need all the avenues of truths. This pile on Louise Mensch is strangely misogynistic.

[YoungDemCA]

47. I don't think it's really misogynistic. That Bill Palmer guy is kind of nutty too.

[womanofthehills]

58. Bill Palmer mostly reposts what he finds on other web sites

What has he recently posted that's nutty? Why are DU'ers into name calling people who are against TRump. I'm looking at his recent headlines: They look good to me.

[HopeAgain]

81. Claude Taylor too...

[MGKrebs]

36. You know, back in the GWB days

we did a lot of research here, running down various rumors and innuendos and using the community to check thousands of sources for driving the information. In that context getting early info is worthwhile. We get a rumor, we check it out, if it's real we try to disseminate it more widely. It still happens here of course, but I don't see that with Mensch. Potentially knowing something a couple weeks before everyone else has no value in and of itself unless you are going to sell some stock or something- then yeah. But just to be in "the club" that hears the latest rumor but doesn't do anything with it is just a waste of time.

I suspect that Mensch is being used to get info out into the mainstream. Mainstream journalists can't generally print rumors but they might read Mensch to get tips, and if they can get more info and get verification then they can run with it. This is the way RW media has worked for about 20 years. Not a bad model for getting someone else to do the heavy lifting but still meaningless to us until that work has been done. If you are just a passive LM reader absorbing all the latest gossip then I don't see how it's much different than reading Teen Beat magazine.

[geek tragedy]

38. she tells people who hate Tr*mp what they want to hear.

There's a market for that.

Everything seems to be 24 business hours away.

[YoungDemCA]

46. She's a Tory with a less-than-credible history of crazy claims. Yes she's been right several times

But that doesn't negate my first sentence.

[L. Coyote]

49. Exclusive: @AGSchneiderman had Trump, three children under DIRECT state surveillance

Link to tweet

[Me.]

55. I Believe This Post & # 50 Are True

Schneiderman has long had his eyes on that loathsome quartet.

Not surprised by GCHQ either as months ago, many intel agencies indicated they were ‘in’. Meaning they already had enough of 45 and would do their part to bring him down, that includes his children.

[L. Coyote]

50. Exclusive: GCHQ Has Recordings of Donald Trump Jr and Kushners Russia Meeting

Link to tweet

[L. Coyote]

51. I received a lot of information yesterday .....

Link to tweet

[jmg257]

60. Do you have links to confirmation of the FISA warrant?

[MelissaB]

72. Posted above in this thread.

[Special Counsel]

53. Louise Mensch needs her very own forum here

at DU.

l like DU for it's DIVERSITY of opinions.

Seems rather strange that today LM has a whole lot of LM exclusive that the long knives are out aplenty.

Who could behind that agenda?

[MGKrebs]

54. Truth, Justice, and the American Way?

Actually, we're all (mostly) on the same team and it's a bit distressing to see a bunch of teammates getting all worked up about rumors and gossip that may or may not pan out. And why? If it's just the hope that it brings, my observation is that the disappointments must be greater. Maybe not.

But mostly it's just housekeeping. I think many of us skeptics also get excited about possible progress in the War on Trump but then see that it's Mensch, meaning that it may be weeks or never that it pans out. Many of us would just as soon wait until someone else with a little more... confirmation runs it. In the meantime we have to wade through seemingly exciting stories that at the moment are nothing more than gossip.

So who do you think is behind anti-Mensch agenda?

[Special Counsel]

59. Bernie bots, brought to by the same cyber crew

who infiltrated the Bernie campaign and sent misogynist messaging against Hillary.

And before Bernie's supporters get your knickers in a twist, Bernie' people said their campaign had been played by these active measures.

[FBaggins]

57. It already exists

"Creative Speculation" under "Offbeat"

[jberryhill]

79. This Mensch promoter can't hear you anymore

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=343981

Account status: Posting privileges revoked
Member since: Fri Jul 14, 2017, 08:58 PM
Number of posts: 37
Number of posts, last 90 days: 37
Favorite forum: General Discussion, 36 posts in the last 90 days (97% of total posts)
Favorite group: NA
Last post: Wed Jul 19, 2017, 12:50 PM

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And for good reason.

[Blue_Tires]

69. So ignore her and pay attention instead to one of the HUNDREDS

of other people digging into KremlinGate....

[MGKrebs]

73. I think many here do try to ignore her, but

when there are breathless posts about some dramatic development of course we are going to read it. Only to find out it's Mensch predicting the future again.
A separate forum for Mensch is a great idea. Read it if you want to or not, and it would be a good filing system to keep track of her activities.

[GallopingGhost]

74. I only see her tweets when

they are posted here at DU.

I read them, take them with a grain of salt, and hope they are true.

[LenaBaby61]

75. I read her tweets and just keep going, but her latest one is a doozy ...

She said something about tRumputin and Bannon are facing execution for espionage.

I admit that me and some of my friends were all giggling and saying that we wished , but it clearly ISN'T true.

I told my friends who do follow her on twitter for laughs that they or anyone else have the right to follow her, but that THEY should stop following her for "laughs." 3 are still following her, and the other friends un-followed her. It's irritating that right-wingers say that she's a lefty and she isn't. She was a Torrie in her former capacity.

[demmiblue]

82. Oh, my!

And this one, too: