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Casprings

(347 posts)
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 11:05 PM Jul 2017

Pardon Question: Does Trump lose his ability to pardon if the crime is related to his impeachment?

Reading the constitution on the pardon power of a President. It reads:

Article II, Section II

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.


One way to read the last part of the sentence is, he can't use his pardon power to stop Congress from impeaching him. However, would another way to read it be that if the Congress does impeach the President, he cannot use his pardon power on crimes related to that impeachment? And if you read it that way, could he use it to protect anyone, if the crime committed was connected to his own impeachment from office?

Just a question after going back and reading the text.
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Pardon Question: Does Trump lose his ability to pardon if the crime is related to his impeachment? (Original Post) Casprings Jul 2017 OP
Even Nixon refused to do that. Turbineguy Jul 2017 #1
I would give my right arm for Nixon. NT Casprings Jul 2017 #2
Apparently he does lose it in cases of impeachment dflprincess Jul 2017 #3
It would have never been challenged.. so how would one know for sure? Casprings Jul 2017 #4
We don't dflprincess Jul 2017 #5
It is my understanding {fwiw} that if the impeachable offenses involved the unlawful acts of others, MedusaX Jul 2017 #6
For his family and associates.. Casprings Jul 2017 #7

Turbineguy

(37,324 posts)
1. Even Nixon refused to do that.
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 11:08 PM
Jul 2017

Of course, compared to Trump, Nixon was a discerning Gentleman of High Morals and Great Intellect.

dflprincess

(28,075 posts)
3. Apparently he does lose it in cases of impeachment
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 11:11 PM
Jul 2017

At least according to the guy currently on "The 11th Hour" (whose name I did not catch) who also cited Article II, Section II.

MedusaX

(1,129 posts)
6. It is my understanding {fwiw} that if the impeachable offenses involved the unlawful acts of others,
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 11:22 PM
Jul 2017

that POTUS cannot issue pardons for those acts.

This would be a time sensitive issue.
Most likely, Once specific impeachable acts have been identified and brought forth for consideration {in accordance with the House procedures}...
The POTUS then no longer has the option to pardon.

In the current situation, it really won't matter who he pardons...
NYAG will obtain indictments, most likely RICO, and proceed at the state level.
POTUS has no power to pardon state charges/convictions....

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