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"... at least one sealed indictment targeting multiple Trump Organization Principals". (Original Post) L. Coyote Jul 2017 OP
Who are they. Anybody can say shit like that when there are no wasupaloopa Jul 2017 #1
The leading Trump Russia indie journalists L. Coyote Jul 2017 #2
Claude, at least, has been judicious Nevernose Jul 2017 #3
LOL BannonsLiver Jul 2017 #6
Oh Lordy not this crappola again grantcart Jul 2017 #13
Wow, what a convoluted conspiracy theory you weave. Maybe send that to Alex Jones. L. Coyote Jul 2017 #19
What tripe look at the facts grantcart Jul 2017 #22
You don't scream fake news and then hire lawyers unless malaise Jul 2017 #4
Probably hundreds of memos on that subject have been gathering dust Hortensis Jul 2017 #5
I would imagine they are sealed Mr.Bill Jul 2017 #7
If they are indictments at the NY state level, Dump cannot pardon them. roamer65 Jul 2017 #8
I didn't catch that they are state indictments. n/t Mr.Bill Jul 2017 #11
And guess who is working for NY state AG Schneiderman? BumRushDaShow Jul 2017 #14
Cernovich is disinformation specialist Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2017 #16
Actually, close reading reveals neither the tweet nor article claims Bharara is working for Mueller Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2017 #17
Preet's exhortation was directed as this guy BumRushDaShow Jul 2017 #21
When that decades-old, secret, locked-away memo is published.... lastlib Jul 2017 #9
Should an AG be leaking info like that? I'm suspicious. That's not helpful to the case. Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #10
The AG himself wasn't said to be the source. But there could be reasons for leaking pnwmom Jul 2017 #12
They would just flatly TELL Manafort & others that. They wouldn't leak it to them. Honeycombe8 Jul 2017 #15
To be announced in 24 business hours nt geek tragedy Jul 2017 #18
Odd how the thread focus did not become "Which Trumpsters?" L. Coyote Jul 2017 #20

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
3. Claude, at least, has been judicious
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 04:13 PM
Jul 2017

Louise is increasingly more erratic, and I'd bet $20 as an ACLU donation that she's either having a manic episode or back on drugs, or both.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
13. Oh Lordy not this crappola again
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 05:26 PM
Jul 2017

Not independent (patriobiotics is a revenue driven website that Rupert Murdoch and Mensch hope will eventually replace Breitbart as an alternate news source. Mensch claims that Putin killed Brietbart. Mensch has made multiple efforts to cash in on etrade websites) nor journalists (Taylor took pictures once)

They have repeatedly claimed that indictments have already been handed out.

http://www.snopes.com/sealed-indictment-president-trump/

On 13 May 2017, Louise Mensch and Claude Taylor (both of whom have appointed themselves citizen investigators on the topic of Russia’s meddling into U.S. political affairs) made the explosive claim that a “sealed indictment” has been issued against President Donald Trump. In a blog post on the web site Patribotics.com, they reported:



It would be understandable to see this crap posted if there weren't real leaks from real sources given to real journalists who really double check, get confirmation from multiple sources and publish them in real newspapers every 15 minutes or so.

Publishing "fake" news stories like this allows Mensch to assist her employer, Rupert Murdoch have Fox News anchors like Hannity rail against fake news and muddy the waters.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
19. Wow, what a convoluted conspiracy theory you weave. Maybe send that to Alex Jones.
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 06:18 PM
Jul 2017

They love conspiracy theories over there.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
22. What tripe look at the facts
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 01:02 AM
Jul 2017

1) We have a large industry of key IC and LEO sources who are providing real information to the Wall Street Journal, Washington Post and NYT among others who find multiple sources and get their stories confirmed and we have these two nut jobs tweeting garbage that is laughed out of the room by experts

For example on the question of sealed indictments Mensch/Taylor have reported multiple times that indictments are in hand:


http://www.snopes.com/sealed-indictment-president-trump/

Claude Taylor ?@TrueFactsStated


@LouiseMensch and I are reporting that a sealed indictment has been issued against Trump by FISA court to serve as the basis of Impeachment.

7:04 PM - 13 May 2017


This aspect of the claim is demonstrably not true. New York University law professor Christopher Jon Sprigman told us in a phone interview that the FISA court exists for one purpose only, and that is to grant surveillance warrants:


With respect to the FISA court, that court doesn’t issue indictments. It considers requests for surveillance authority by intelligence agencies and it grants what are refered to as FISA warrants. With the respect to the sealed indictment, indictments are typically what grand juries do and the FISA court has no power to convene a grand jury. The FISA court is a special purpose court.



These absurdly false breakthroughs have gone on and on.

2) The issue of Mensch launching a competitive website with Rupert Murdoch is not a conspiracy theory, it is a widely reported and has been working full time for Rupert Murdoch for the last 4 years:



https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/feb/16/louise-mensch-rupert-murdoch-news-corp-heat-street

Former Tory MP Louise Mensch is to launch a centre-right website for Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp.

Mensch tweeted that under her leadership the libertarian website, Heat Street, will be a place where “disagreement will be encouraged”.

. . . .

Mensch has been working with News Corp on “digital projects” since 2014.




3) her involvement as a Murdoch anti Trump front is well documented when she palls around with her right wing friends like Milo Yiannopoulos

Seth Abramson?Verified account @SethAbramson · May 25

BREAKING NEWS: Milo Yiannopoulos, Friend and Mentor to Louise Mensch, CONFIRMS Mensch Is a Right-Wing Troll in Verified Public Facebook Post




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4) What does Malcolm Nance say about these fools?

Mensch has already fooled many liberals. Her tactics-brazenly lie & self promote!!!™ are identical to Milo's. #Avoid


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5) Her insane tweets that Putin murdered Breitbart has been generally viewed as an effort to try and draft into a vacuum and take in the alt right that hates Putin



http://www.thedailybeast.com/is-conspiracy-queen-louise-mensch-right-about-donald-trump

Mensch, meanwhile, is definitely doing it herself, at a rate of dozens of tweets per day. In her lively, f-bomb-laced feed to her 178,000 followers—much of it attacks on Russia and Russians—she has variously asserted that Vladimir Putin had Breitbart News founder Andrew Breitbart “murdered,” apparently to create a leadership opening



5) There is a clear dividing line, you can follow professionals like Malcolm Nance or RW/Rupert Murdoch/Milo friendly folks like Mensch, but you cannot support both. Nance has called her a "fruit loop of the highest order" Mensch accuses Nance of plagiarizing his book which is considered a definitive work in its field.



Former Navy counterterrorism and intelligence officer Malcolm Nance, an on-air analyst for MSNBC and author of The Plot to Hack America: How Putin’s Cyberspies and WikiLeaks Tried to Steal the 2016 Election, is even blunter.

“She’s batshit crazy, OK?” Nance told The Daily Beast. “She is a fruit loop of the highest order.”

Mensch fired back: “I am unfazed by little people snapping at my heels.”

She said Siegfried is too marginal a figure to merit a response, while Nance, she claimed, didn’t even write his latest book. “I like Malcolm Nance’s book, but entire parts of it in reference to hacking—almost all of the book—were not written by him,”


Mensch is a long term associate of Murdoch who has multiple attempts to strike it rich launching all kinds of internet sites that she wanted to go global (Menshn/Unfashionista/Heat Street among others) and is intimately friendly with the Right Wing in both UK/USA. She does a great service undermining serious work against Trump by spreading unsupported, untruthful tweets into the mix which undermines the truthful ones.

I prefer to listen to Nance/reporters from WSJ/NYT/WAPO and others.

You are a valuable member of the Mensch/Taylor fruit loops team. Now that you have detailed documentation that supports all the points I made (and there is a lot more) you can continue to support the work of Rupert Murdoch's long time associate or you can delete the OP. Choice is yours.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
5. Probably hundreds of memos on that subject have been gathering dust
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 04:18 PM
Jul 2017

in file cabinets for decades, but of course tons of the best material on this is published in books, shelves of them available in every large library. Now, if this "secret" memo also finally answers the mysterious, centuries-old question of who killed Cock Robin, that'll be news.

As for the other, perhaps. For sure, some will be coming someday. I personally predict dozens and dozens eventually, and they won't be sealed.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
16. Cernovich is disinformation specialist
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 06:09 PM
Jul 2017

Mike Cernovich (born November 17, 1977) is an American alt-right[6] social media personality, writer, and conspiracy theorist. He describes himself as "new right"[7] and an "American nationalist."[8] Cernovich's website "Danger & Play" started in 2012 and was originally known mainly for its content on men's empowerment. During the 2016 US presidential election campaign, it evolved into a largely pro-Donald Trump and anti-Hillary Clinton political blog.[9][10]

Cernovich periodically promotes conspiracy theories,[9] such as Hillary Clinton and other high-ranking Democratic Party officials being involved in a pedophile ring located in the basement of a Washington, DC pizzeria.[8][11][12] Cernovich currently serves as a regular host of The Alex Jones Show on InfoWars, a radio show that often promotes right-wing conspiracy theories.[13]


Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
17. Actually, close reading reveals neither the tweet nor article claims Bharara is working for Mueller
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 06:14 PM
Jul 2017

The tweet and article say that a prosecutor, Andrew Goldstein, who used to work for Bharara is the one now working for Mueller.

BumRushDaShow

(128,959 posts)
21. Preet's exhortation was directed as this guy
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 06:59 PM
Jul 2017



who works for the Toronto Sun.

TEXT
Tarek Fatah

@TarekFatah

No Democrat or Liberal in the US smells a rat here? @PreetBharara, the man who ws fired by @POTUS has been hired to anti-Trump #RussiaProbe https: //twitter.com/cernovich/status/888763735245967361

lastlib

(23,226 posts)
9. When that decades-old, secret, locked-away memo is published....
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 05:04 PM
Jul 2017

...in the Supreme Court Reports, with a majority of Justices signing it, I'll do my happy dance......

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
10. Should an AG be leaking info like that? I'm suspicious. That's not helpful to the case.
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 05:05 PM
Jul 2017

If it's true, that's actually appalling that a named AG, who has sworn an oath to uphold the law, has leaked that he has seen a SEALED indictment.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
12. The AG himself wasn't said to be the source. But there could be reasons for leaking
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 05:11 PM
Jul 2017

the info.

They could be sending a message to people like Manafort, Page, etc. to cooperate -- or else.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
15. They would just flatly TELL Manafort & others that. They wouldn't leak it to them.
Sat Jul 22, 2017, 05:35 PM
Jul 2017

I thought the post said that the NYAG said that. It meant someone close to the NYAG or in his office? Hmmm. That sounds iffy.

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