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Hamlette

(15,412 posts)
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 01:14 PM Jul 2017

The only way Trump goes is if his voters turn on him.

He's at 36% approval in the polls which is the vast majority of the GOP base. Republicans in Congress will not turn on Trump out of fear of a "challenge from the right" next election.

We need to figure out how to drive his numbers down to the low 20s.

For many, the smoking gun tape (Nixon orders CIA to shut down FBI investigation) turn them on Nixon. Trump people are more delusional.

What would turn Trump voters? If we can't figure that out, we get Trump for 8 years which may be the end of our democracy.

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Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
3. Break it down to two basic points:
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 01:21 PM
Jul 2017

1. He lied to them over and over: create jobs, better health care for all, build a wall etc.

2. He laundered money with the Russians to enrich himself and his family.

THAT is how you frame the message to turn some of them!

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
8. If we were dealing with reality based, fact based people, sure.
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 01:34 PM
Jul 2017

But first they will tell you he has created jobs, that if it wasnt for liberals he would give us better HC etc.

But please, be my guest, try and educate them.

They have so much hatred for non white christians that there is really no hope for 96% of them, I think.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
4. Dumps base...core, will never turn on him
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 01:26 PM
Jul 2017

Even as he throws them out in the street penniless with no safety net.

He is their god emperor and weapon against "the blacks" the Mexicans, the libs, "the femnazis".

They live for their hate and prejudice and will take it to the grave IMO.

TEB

(12,841 posts)
5. Really best shot we have is mueller investigation or we take back the house in 2018
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 01:28 PM
Jul 2017

I do think Donnie is scared of mueller, because he and his family and crew will be held accountable I hope. Pisses me off that jr manafort and kushner testify behind closed doors ,But I believe justice will prevail that is all we have.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
9. The Trumpanzees will never give two shakes of a rubber rat's ass about Russia
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 02:02 PM
Jul 2017

They all think that all of Trump's shady business dealings with Putin is nothing more than a fake conspiracy. You can show them a video of Cheeto Mussolini offering his Pooty-Pute a hand job at a state dinner and they'd all think that it was CGI or something.

The Russia probe is not for them, it's for us, the Constitution and for the sake of the nation, IN SPITE of the Trumpanzees.

The way to get these people to drop their support of the Great Leader is to make sure that THEY KNOW that he's stabbing THEM in the back. That he's not keeping any of his outrageous promises. We have highlight is failures to do things like build that fucking way, destroy the national health insurance system and bring jobs back to coal miners. This is going to be hard to do, because these people will delusionally confer accomplishments upon him that don't really exist.

They all live in their own world.

When he says "Made in America," point out that all of his swag is made some place else. When he's on vacay, point out just how lazy he is just as the world is falling apart. When he breaks his promises, show everyone how much he's lied, how many times he's changed his positions. Show that you can never trust anything he's ever said. You can use his own words against him at any given time. Use comparisons.

At every opportunity, interview former supporters who once trusted Trump and have them testify that he betrayed that trust. These have to be the kind of people that other Trumpanzees can identify with.

The key message that we have to give to these people is a simple one, "Trust Trump at your own peril."

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
12. Northampton County, PA voted for Obama twice...
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 04:28 PM
Jul 2017

then flipped to Trump. The Guardian is doing an entire series on these voters:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/18/northampton-county-pennsylvania-obama-trump

They can be flipped back and I agree with your approach. PA has a Democratic governor, so it's not a goner. They'll turn on Trump... schweet 20 electoral votes!

We all live in our own world. Their world was built around the steel industry. Evidently they're clawing their way back, but feel "untapped potential." The Democratic Party needs to tap that potential! Another huge issue is health care. They don't like what Republicans are doing. (Democrats better SEIZE on this opportunity or I give up...)

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
10. Uh, no.
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 03:18 PM
Jul 2017

Remember, he sees those lines of people with their signs outside his pep rallies and thinks they're his fans who couldn't get tickets.

No, his friends and family will have to have their security clearances stripped and be sent packing from the White House, isolating him. With only wonks around who want to do their jobs and don't know how he likes to be flattered, it will be very unpleasant for him.

Someone will say "no" to some pet project and he'll quit.

Hamlette

(15,412 posts)
14. without his base turning on him, I don't think Congress will act.
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 09:52 PM
Jul 2017

he decides who has security clearances. I'm not sure anyone else can take them away.

DavidDvorkin

(19,475 posts)
11. Or if enough Republicans in the House and Senate turn on him
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 03:53 PM
Jul 2017

Which could happen because of his low poll ratings. If they see more political safety in dumping him than in backing him, then they'll move toward impeachment.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
13. Trump will be gone the minute Mueller finishes his work, if not sooner.
Sun Jul 23, 2017, 05:37 PM
Jul 2017

It won't matter what his small fraction thinks when the shit hits the fan.

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